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Amaltheia ([info]amaltheia) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2006-05-20 10:23:00
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Current mood:Flippant

LJ Abuse vs Boob Nazis
[info]cali4niachef is informed by LJ Abuse her default icon is inappropriate and to cease using it by the 23rd or face having her account suspended.

Boob Nazis. LJ Abuse. Breastfeeding Icons.

I think we can all see where this is going. ([info]booju_mooju first of all it seems.)

Once the anti-breastfeeding comms get hold of this it should really take off.

Edit the first Thanks to [info]quickfade Apparently [info]hardvice is responsible Icons in comments NSFW.

Edit the second Thanks to a mousie. [info]cf_hardcore join the party.

Edit the third Thanks to [info]freezer It hits [info]metaquotes.

Edit the forth [info]stupid_free weigh in. And [info]fuckyoulist makes an appearance too.

Edit the fifth Just how much further can it spread? As far as retarded_icons, blackfolk and feminist apparently.

Edit the sixth [info]hardvice shows solidarity with the [info]boob_nazis. And [info]magdalene74 has a new lj approved breastfeeding icon.

And to think when I originally posted this I was worried it wasn't wanky enough.

Edit the seventh Annnnnnnnnnd here's anti-feminist joining in the fun.

Edit the eighth Predictably - Exposing LJ Abuse


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Re: Someone correct me if I'm wrong
[info]frequentmouse
2006-05-20 08:02 pm UTC (link)
I'd be a whole lot more convinced by this argument if there weren't so many frankly obscene default icons which show up on ONTD and various fic communities.

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Re: Someone correct me if I'm wrong
[info]lessis
2006-05-20 08:11 pm UTC (link)
And if those icons were reported they'ld face the same warning and punishment as the breastfeeding icons from the wank. LJ Abuse doesn't go out patrolling for TOS violations, LJ's simply too big for it so they depend on people reporting issues and violations.

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Re: Someone correct me if I'm wrong
[info]frequentmouse
2006-05-20 08:30 pm UTC (link)
Actually, if they actually moderated default icons, instead of relying on reports, it'd be less prone to misinterpretation and possibly more time efficient.

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Re: Someone correct me if I'm wrong
[info]lessis
2006-05-20 08:51 pm UTC (link)
Maybe but considering the number of lj abuse members, the number of lj users and that lj abuse also has to deal with reports of harassment, trolling and other violations, not extremely practical.

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Re: Someone correct me if I'm wrong
[info]shaggydogstail
2006-05-20 09:03 pm UTC (link)
I think it would be inpractical to police default icons like that, since LJ is so big, but it would make more sense to me if default icons didn't show up when users search by region, interest etc. There's no real need for them and it makes pages slightly slower to load. If icons only showed up on journals and comms there wouldn't be a problem, and LJ wouldn't have any reason for a rule which is, by necessity, arbitarily and, it seems, unfairly enforced.

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Re: Someone correct me if I'm wrong
[info]frequentmouse
2006-05-20 09:21 pm UTC (link)
Another sensible suggestion.

Of course I'm sure it would lead to people howling about being deprived of their iconses!

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Re: Someone correct me if I'm wrong
[info]keri
2006-05-21 01:10 am UTC (link)
The bit of icons showing up on searches as a default is fairly recent, iirc. I remember when they announced at news that they redid the search results so now pics show up with EVERY search instead of just some of them.

Which only shows that LJ actively instituted it, or something...I'm not sure where I was going with this now.

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Re: Someone correct me if I'm wrong
[info]slackerbitch
2006-05-20 08:11 pm UTC (link)
Are those default icons, though? I mean, you can have some massively fucked up obscene icons in general, so long as they're not your default, is what they're saying. (And if those people do have obscene default icons, then I'm guessing it's a matter of it not being reported yet.)

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Re: Someone correct me if I'm wrong
[info]frequentmouse
2006-05-20 08:32 pm UTC (link)
Well, in the case of a fic community I watch, the NWS and definitely TOSable icons which caused the community to go to moderated status were all explained by "Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot, it's my default icon."

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Re: Someone correct me if I'm wrong
[info]mookie
2006-05-20 08:14 pm UTC (link)
I would hazard a guess that none of those have been reported, because ONTD is a community that practically invites inappropriate icons. Or appropriate, as the case may be, but not necessarily work safe.

It also invites repeat posts of tasteless photobucket hosted pictures pasted into comments, many of which I'm sure are violating photobucket TOS.

Fun stuff, good times. I think the line is drawn between what you choose to look at and what you aren't expecting to look at, in LJ's eyes.

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Re: Someone correct me if I'm wrong
[info]ladybirdsleeps
2006-05-20 08:29 pm UTC (link)
For legal reasons, LiveJournal Abuse doesn't police the site. They only act on reports. If someone is using an obscene icon, the most likely explanation is that no one has bothered to report them, not that LJ Abuse is a member of a Sekrit Conspiracy against breastfeeding activists.

That's why you see people whose internet lives are full of drama are more likely to end up on the wrong end of LJ Abuse, even though they're only breaking the same rule everyone does.

Go ahead and report someone's obscene default icon and see what happens. (Note: This only works with *default* icons. People can post in comms with non-default icons, and I really have no idea what LJ Abuse's policy is regarding that.)

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Re: Someone correct me if I'm wrong
[info]frequentmouse
2006-05-20 08:37 pm UTC (link)
Speaking here as someone who has seen the rise and fall of popular online gathering places, the problem comes when "not policing the site for legal reasons" coupled with ambiguous TOS regulations and volunteers making decisions about banning for TOS violations leads to a perception of unfareness and thence to customer dissatisfaction.

Which, you know, F_W itself is an example of.

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Re: Someone correct me if I'm wrong
[info]ladybirdsleeps
2006-05-20 09:21 pm UTC (link)
I don't really care about your opinions on LJ Abuse, although I will say that LJ Abuse could be perfect and it would still be surrounded by tons of wank and controversy.

I was explaining why some people are smacked for inappropriate default icons and why others aren't. That's it.

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Re: Someone correct me if I'm wrong
[info]frequentmouse
2006-05-20 09:47 pm UTC (link)
I have no bitch with LJ abuse as a thing-in-itself; I'm just saying that my observation indicates that that form of moderation is prone to disasterous failure.

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Re: Someone correct me if I'm wrong
[info]shaggydogstail
2006-05-20 09:06 pm UTC (link)
What 'legal reasons' could LJ have for not policing the site? I can see it being a practical problem--LJ's just too big to check each and every member's default icon on a regular basis--but I don't get how that's a legal issue.

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Re: Someone correct me if I'm wrong
[info]frequentmouse
2006-05-20 09:25 pm UTC (link)
I think it has to do with the assumption of responsibility; it LJ says it actively enforces its TOS, and then someone makes a violation of TOS that's also a violation of law somewhere (say, for example, Australia's take on written porn) then LJ is liable for prosecution by that government.

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Re: Someone correct me if I'm wrong
[info]ladybirdsleeps
2006-05-20 09:29 pm UTC (link)
It was a long time ago that I read about this, so I don't remember the technicals. Basically, by policing the site rather than just acting on reports, LJ would be assuming more legal responsibility for the site's content than they can handle. They could get into trouble for hosting illegal content, for example.

If you want specifics, try emailing them.

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Re: Someone correct me if I'm wrong
[info]shaggydogstail
2006-05-20 09:32 pm UTC (link)
OK, I can see the logic of that. Thanks.

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