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Yaoi Mistress ([info]ladyrogue) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2006-05-29 22:49:00


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Current mood:*sporfle!*

More from W_R, because I am their bitch. Wasn't sure if this was for F_W or OTF, but decided the wank was not specifically about the fandom in question.

Over on the comm queer_rage, there has been some debate about the rules. Specifically the rule that offensive language is bad! Especially the word bitch as it is derogatory to women. (This rule is apparently void if said word is used positively *confused look*)

Enter [info]sprockey, who comes to q_r to rant about Alexander. He's mad as hell, why? He wasn't expecting a "hetero smutfest".


Every twenty minutes or so, Jared Leto would hug Colin Farrell and profess his feelings, whilst Colin Farrell stood there like a big simian Irishman, face as blank as the inpatients of Bellvue on Lobotomy Thursday. Then, after about thirty seconds of "passionate" embrace, they would immediately show Alexander drooling at anorexic belly dancers or bulemic harem girls for at least five minutes straight.

Most people agree with the assessment. Then [info]lupabitch comments with a minor nitpick.
can you please not refer to thin women as "anorexic" and "bulemic"? First off, not all thin women (or men) have an eating disorder. Second, not all people with eating disorders are thin. And three, as a survivor of anorexia myself, I took issue with your negative implications towards people with eating disorders.

[info]leswamp responds that lupa is bitching at the wrong person. they were showing us these emaciated bimbos to represent women of the 300 BC era when the standard of beauty was nothing like the psychotic and destructive media fantasy being perpetuated today.


When someone points out that 'bimbos' isn't exactly a great word to use either, Sprockey shows up. Leswamp never said all women are bimbos; she merely said those women are bimbos...which they are. None of us are going to get anywhere if we fight amongst ourselves over petty nonsense, and refuse to see the forest instead of the trees. Women and gays will never truly be equal if they can't be discussed freely without fear of reprimand by the P.C. Police. We need less stigmatization of gender and sexual orientation, not more.

Words aren't evil, only the sentiments they are used to express.


And it just erupts from there.

Eventually the mod shows up and lays the banhammer down on sprockey.

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeey you're really fucking sexist. And also really fucking banned! Reading the rules might have been thoughtful. But you can't be bothered and neither can I.

Elsewhere in the comm, [info]fabfemmeboy appears to weigh in on the wank.

I think it's fair to say that we all have terms, phrases, etc. that push our buttons. But I also think it's fair to say that if we took out all the words that have ever been considered offensive to anyone, we would have a language devoid of nouns, verbs, adjectives, and pronouns. We'd be left with a handful of adverbs and a series of grunts and points.

Also: This is a _rage community. Meaning? There is a VERY good chance that when we post here, we're pissed the fuck off. It is HUMAN NATURE to snark and use non-PC terms when you are venting your frustration.

THE USE OF SAID TERMS IS **NOT** (I repeat 'NOT!') AN INDICATION THAT SAID PERSON UTILIZING THE TERMS IS ANTI-WOMA(/Y)N, ANTI-BIMBO, ANTI-EATING DISORDER, RACIST, HETEROPHOBIC, CHAUVENISTIC, ETC. It means...oh yeah, we're raging!


And the members go at it again. And once again, the mod appears and says "U R BANNED!"

Meanwhile, sprockey runs off to his LJ to whine about "those crazy bitches" on q_r.
Apparently, the feminists on the group are more interested in defending women who degrade themselves on screen for money (and attention) than they are in banding together with people who agree with them on the important issues.



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pink_lightning
2006-05-30 03:27 am UTC (link)
How was it a heterosmutfest? It certainly disappointed, but the stuff that was there was still pretty hot.

And Irishmen are NOT simians. They are drunks and barbarians. Yeesh. 9_9 If you're going to stereotype, get it right.

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[info]teruhiko
2006-05-30 10:04 pm UTC (link)
And Irishmen are NOT simians. They are drunks and barbarians. Yeesh. 9_9 If you're going to stereotype, get it right.

Well, the anti-Irish Brits of yesteryear liked depicting us Irishmen as apes in the old political cartoons. They're amusing to look at.



*picks up club and whiskey and trails off*

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[info]rogue
2006-05-30 03:32 am UTC (link)
I think the sex scenes in that movie are the least of its problems...

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[info]dandywolves
2006-05-30 04:11 am UTC (link)
from what I've seen of Rosario Dawson's tits, they might be the best part.

*has not actually seen Alexander*

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[info]nevadafighter
2006-05-30 04:14 am UTC (link)
God forbid they portray more or less accurately a time period where being either exclusively hetero- or homosexual was considered strange.

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jenova
2006-05-30 04:21 am UTC (link)
Where's a "won't someone think of the bisexuals!" icon when you need one?

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[info]greenling
2006-05-30 04:37 am UTC (link)
I don't think it was the time period; they seem to be talking about Alexander specifically, who may or may not have actually been bi, "strange" or not.

Now, from the little I've read, the gawking part may have been way out of character regardless of the sex of the gawkee, and claiming that he absolutely was gay (or anything else), no argument, is outright fucking stupid because there very much is one.

So... still stupid, and I'm a geek.

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[info]adora_spintriae
2006-06-01 09:55 am UTC (link)
where being either exclusively hetero- or homosexual was considered strange.

Or sexuality was so totally different that concepts of "hetersexual" and "homosexual" were completely null and void.

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[info]greenling
2006-05-30 04:27 am UTC (link)
Specifically the rule that offensive language is bad! Especially the word bitch as it is derogatory to women. (This rule is apparently void if said word is used positively *confused look*)

Basically, you can call yourself a bitch, and you can call other people a bitch if they say they are one, sort of like people use words like "queer" and "dyke". You just can't use it as an adjective because saying that people bitch is implying that women are nags or something.

There are hopefully better explanations for why it's actually sexist than what I could give, but I do understand why they don't mind people using it as a positive "reclaimed" self- or group-description.

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[info]seiberwing
2006-05-30 04:28 am UTC (link)
I am a dirty elitist insidey jewbag!

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(no subject) - [info]greenling, 2006-05-30 05:01 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2006-05-30 01:12 pm UTC

[info]beandelphiki
2006-05-30 07:03 am UTC (link)
Basically, yeah. And there has been a LOT of discussion about reclamation, and when use of a term could be considered reclamation (and therefore acceptable), and when it is not to be considered such (and therefore offensive).

So...I don't know how random it APPEARS, but it HAS been hammered out some, and will be again.

Usually in locked posts, though.

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[info]rosehiptea
2006-05-30 04:44 am UTC (link)
So... it's OK to call make fun of some women and call them bimbos because they're too thin and they must have got their bit parts by sleeping around? But that's consistent with liking porn and... my head hurts.

Though I can't help laughing a little at all the "Yeah, that movie sucked! I didn't see it!"

(I'm not saying you can't agree with rage over something you haven't seen, but it comes off as funny after comment after comment like that...)



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[info]dark_puck
2006-05-30 09:48 pm UTC (link)
...your icon. I've seen it before, and yet I can't remember why it is telling us that the elephant is not a hat.

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(no subject) - [info]mastervex, 2006-05-30 10:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rosehiptea, 2006-05-30 10:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rosehiptea, 2006-05-30 10:57 pm UTC
Reposted because I fail at HTML
iwanttobeasleep
2006-05-30 05:03 am UTC (link)
And three, as a survivor of anorexia myself, I took issue with your negative implications towards people with eating disorders.

As opposed to the positive implications. . .?

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Re: Reposted because I fail at HTML
[info]marylake
2006-05-30 10:48 am UTC (link)
I think the point is that the comment was implying - or at least, she took it to be implying - that anorexic women were inferior to other women somehow.

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Re: Reposted because I fail at HTML - [info]napoleon, 2006-05-31 06:29 am UTC
Yay, I'm a moron. - [info]napoleon, 2006-05-31 06:43 am UTC
Re: Reposted because I fail at HTML - [info]marylake, 2006-05-31 10:58 am UTC
Re: Reposted because I fail at HTML - [info]greenglass, 2006-05-30 06:03 pm UTC

[info]onaga
2006-05-30 05:18 am UTC (link)
Alexander had sex with everything that moved, hello. Christ on the cross.

Also, sprockey: the idea of feminism is equality and choice. If women want to perform as scantily clad harem girls on the big screen, that is a legitimate choice. The problem arises when that choice is the only choice, and women are relegated to either sex-object or barefoot-and-pregnant status. Feminists don't want people who feel free to insult women for no reason other than the shallow nature of appearance to "help them," because those people are less help than they themselves realize.

*cleans up*

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(no subject) - [info]mmanurere, 2006-05-30 06:51 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aerobot, 2006-05-30 06:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2006-05-30 05:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nicolae, 2006-05-30 09:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]funwithrage, 2006-05-30 05:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-07-06 10:07 am UTC
Oh internet, how you continue to amaze me.
[info]aerobot
2006-05-30 06:44 am UTC (link)
How about Auchwitz thin then? I saw those women he's referring to.


... WHAT.


So, tell me, they were this thin were they? No? THEN STFU.

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Re: Oh internet, how you continue to amaze me. - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2006-05-30 05:32 pm UTC
Re: Oh internet, how you continue to amaze me. - [info]chaimonkey, 2006-05-30 05:42 pm UTC
Re: Oh internet, how you continue to amaze me. - [info]heddychaa, 2006-05-30 06:52 pm UTC
Re: Oh internet, how you continue to amaze me. - [info]nicolae, 2006-05-30 09:14 pm UTC
Re: Oh internet, how you continue to amaze me. - [info]napoleon, 2006-05-31 06:34 am UTC

[info]smo
2006-05-30 01:31 pm UTC (link)
a big simian Irishman

Well, isn't that just precious.

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(no subject) - [info]spawn_of_kong, 2006-05-30 05:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2006-05-30 05:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]onaga, 2006-05-30 08:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2006-05-30 09:05 pm UTC

[info]glossing2
2006-05-30 02:07 pm UTC (link)
Words aren't evil, only the sentiments they are used to express.
I've been trying for ten minutes now to make sense of this. I FAIL.

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(no subject) - [info]provetheworst, 2006-05-30 10:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - redwarrior, 2006-05-31 07:53 pm UTC

[info]hickorydickory
2006-05-30 02:48 pm UTC (link)
Someone's just bitter that the movie didn't have the buttsex he wanted.

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(no subject) - [info]edana_ni_emer, 2006-05-31 06:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hickorydickory, 2006-05-31 06:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]edana_ni_emer, 2006-05-31 07:03 pm UTC

redwarrior
2006-05-30 05:42 pm UTC (link)
Wow, both sides are being wanky! 0___o

I want to hide my head in the sand...

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[info]chaimonkey
2006-05-30 05:43 pm UTC (link)
[info]mexicanicepick just reminded me why I've never joined that community. Thanks, crazy lady!

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(no subject) - redwarrior, 2006-05-31 07:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]beandelphiki, 2006-05-31 10:28 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chaimonkey, 2006-06-01 01:17 am UTC
(no subject) - redwarrior, 2006-06-01 05:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chaimonkey, 2006-06-01 01:16 am UTC

[info]mael
2006-05-30 07:10 pm UTC (link)
*wails*

Get off my side, you're making my side look like a collection of morons.

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[info]bangoskank
2006-05-30 10:06 pm UTC (link)
And a furry too. I'm shocked, shocked I say.

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[info]napoleon
2006-05-31 01:02 am UTC (link)
As a former anoretic and bulimic, I'm not pissed that the OP used those disorders to bitch about a crappy movie. No, I'm pissed that no one seems to be able to fucking spell "bulimia."

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(no subject) - [info]ladyrogue, 2006-05-31 04:32 am UTC

 
   
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