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Tiara [my demand] ([info]mydemand) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2006-06-16 23:01:00
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Geek Wank, woo.
Technology blog TechCrunch reports on Ray Ozzie replacing Bill Gates as head honcho of Microsoft.

Shelley Powers* responds:

So? This is a big story?

If Gates had been replaced by a black and a woman, I would have sat up, took notice. Maybe even been inspired. But it’s one pudgy, middle aged white guy replaced by two other pudgy, middle aged white guys.

I mean look at them…does anyone think anything will be any different at Microsoft?

After a while, a response from Ryan Gahl:

Shelley, WTF does that have to do with anything? Total reverse sexism/racism, and total BS.

So if Ozzie was a black woman, you’re saying that would automatically mean things would change (whatever the F that means). And because Ozzie is white and male, nothing will change, like, automatically, just because he’s white and male?

And then you gotta love your last comment… “I mean look at them…” are you seriously trying to advocate some kind of equality stance and then back up your argument by saying “look at them”… ok I’m looking, now what? Do I know the guy? No.

Finally, what, exactly, in your opinion should change at Microsoft?

Wank ensues. Not quite as spoogey as typical fandomish wank, but it's still there for the...er, wanking.

* her Wikipedia entry gets referenced later in comments. hence the link.

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[info]emiweebee
2006-06-16 03:18 pm UTC (link)
...superficial much?

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[info]isntitironic
2006-06-16 03:19 pm UTC (link)
This reminds me of why I've always felt sorry for Mae Carol Jemison. They put such an emphasis on the 'first black woman in spaaaaace!' thing that I imagine a conversation at NASA going something like this:

"Okay, that's six. We've got one more seat."
"That's easy - take this chick."
"Let's see... hmm, yes. Good qualifications. Lots of flight experience, expertise in..."
"No, no, no! She's black! See, if we take her, we can say we put the first black woman in space!"
"..."
"Automatic headlines, man! The blacks and the feminists will both be quoting Niel Armstrong for weeks!"
"Oh, yes, and isn't that what's important."

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[info]herdivineshadow
2006-06-16 03:23 pm UTC (link)
...see I saw her name and immediately though "that's the astronaut that was in Star Trek".

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[info]isntitironic
2006-06-16 03:24 pm UTC (link)
Clearly, you and I have different Geek Priorities.

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[info]isntitironic
2006-06-16 03:23 pm UTC (link)
I must add that I wonder how she wants to go about 'increasing the visibility of women online'. It's the internet. None of us are visible. If we were, some of the precious internetness would be lost. If you could see other people on the internet, you wouldn't have things like one person threatening to sue the other while they're both posting anonymously. There would be no sockpuppet supporters, no grieving mothers to announce internet suicides to the world, no Greater Fuckwad Theory...

*ahem*

So, like, is she advocating boob icons, or what?

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[info]herdivineshadow
2006-06-16 03:26 pm UTC (link)
if she isn't, i am/

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[info]sepiamagpie
2006-06-16 04:35 pm UTC (link)
And this is why you are precious to me.

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[info]herdivineshadow
2006-06-16 09:22 pm UTC (link)
:D

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[info]freezer
2006-06-16 06:24 pm UTC (link)
I've been advocating them for nearly three years!

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[info]nicolae
2006-06-16 07:31 pm UTC (link)
That is a wonderful icon. I'm not sure what the OTP is -- Left Breast/Right Breast 4EVA? -- but it warms my heart.

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[info]chibikaijuu
2006-06-16 11:55 pm UTC (link)
My icon speaks for itself.

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dracothelizard
2006-06-16 03:51 pm UTC (link)
Besides, it's not like women on the internet are a minority. When I talk to someone on LJ or here, I tend to assume they're women, 'cause most of them ARE women.

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[info]ruuger
2006-06-16 04:07 pm UTC (link)
Actually, I think it's only the journal/community based websites where women are the majority. At least it was that way just a few years ago (that's when I've last read any statistics on internet use), and from personal experience I can say that outside JF/LJ-land people still generally assume I'm a guy (which, granted, is at least partially due to my somewhat masculine username).

As for the 'visibility on the internet' thing, I'm thinking maybe she means that there should be more female webmasters on major websites? Or possibly just more boob icons.

(PS. icon love! Don Rosa FTW)

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dracothelizard
2006-06-16 04:19 pm UTC (link)
I used to be on a gaming board in 2001 and found out that people assumed I was male. 'T was weird.

No arguements against more boob icons. Except for FW where's they're not allowed.

Don Rosa is indeed FTW. Especially when he does Lord of the Rings fanart.

Ganduck the Grey!

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[info]mindset
2006-06-16 07:13 pm UTC (link)
Oh my god, that fanart is the best thing ever.

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dracothelizard
2006-06-16 07:57 pm UTC (link)
Just one of the many reasons why Don Rosa is my favourite Duck comic artist.

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[info]chibikaijuu
2006-06-16 11:56 pm UTC (link)
THAT IS BEAUTIFUL.

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[info]greenling
2006-06-17 01:09 am UTC (link)
In most of the places I hang out, it's roughly equal. The only places I've seen a male majority are places where there's a male majority in the offline equivalent, like gaming sites or hentai boards.

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[info]wrongly_amused
2006-06-16 04:07 pm UTC (link)
It's more than a little misfortunate that most minorities haven't been given the social opportunity to climb to such enormous heights, yes, but that was one hell of a non-sequitar segue into wankville.

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[info]caoilte
2006-06-16 05:55 pm UTC (link)
Finally, what, exactly, in your opinion should change at Microsoft?

Oh I dunno, something like software that WORKS and doesn't cost an arm and a leg? Or something like that....

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[info]darkrose
2006-06-16 06:12 pm UTC (link)
And doesn't force you to install their spyware on your machine.

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[info]slackerbitch
2006-06-16 06:15 pm UTC (link)
And doesn't sniff around trying to figure out what stuff you have legally and what stuff you pirated, and shut off the stuff you stole, because silly me, I thought my computer was going to work for me, not the RIAA.

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[info]caoilte
2006-06-16 10:34 pm UTC (link)
Pirated? What pirated? *whistles and attempts to look innocent*

That said, I've just gone and bought everything that I had on here (that was pirated), and it STILL doesn't work properly. So much for THAT idea...

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(Anonymous)
2006-06-16 11:28 pm UTC (link)
What the? Dangit, it actually does that!? And I have it installed, too. And it said I shouldn't uninstall it (not even with Add Or Remove Programs?) or Bad Things Happen or something. So now it seems I'm stuck with it.

*bangs head on desk* Why? Why did I download this? This is what I get for trying to download as many (so-called) "Critical Updates" as possible.

- Unhappy Anonymoose

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[info]hallidae
2006-06-16 06:14 pm UTC (link)
WORD. ::about to take a bat to the hellishly expensive update of Excel::

That said, where the fuck out of left field did Ms. (Mrs.?) Powers come from? I gotta say, I'm with Gahl on this one, 'cause that comment seriously had fuckall to do with anything and (I think) was clearly intended to stir shit.

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[info]caoilte
2006-06-16 10:33 pm UTC (link)
::about to take a bat to the hellishly expensive update of Excel::

Hell, I'm about to take a bat to my brand new laptop because despite being brand new, it hasn't worked properly since I got it. And yes, it's a Windows PC. (A Tablet PC no less...) *sighs*

And yeah, it seems that no matter what happens in the business world, someone's gotta stir something up, whether it is relevant or not. That kinda...irks me. Even tho I have no love for Microsoft at all.

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(Anonymous)
2006-06-16 11:13 pm UTC (link)
I'm actually terribly disappointed that nobody pointed out that when Gates and Thingy started that company they employed the people they knew, so shockingly enough, the guys they promoted when they leave are going to be the same age and kinda similar etc...

(aLso, frankly, I'd say the lack of women in general, and black women in particular, in the upper echelons of the tech industry to me would signal an overwhelming tendency towards good sense and having lives...)

[marymac.livejournal.com]

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(Anonymous)
2006-06-16 06:44 pm UTC (link)
Hee. But also more black people. ~jdr

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[info]rachelmap
2006-06-16 11:31 pm UTC (link)
Yup, yup. I gave MS years to get it right, and they never did. I've given up on them.

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[info]slackerbitch
2006-06-16 06:17 pm UTC (link)
Dear Ms. Whatever:

Plz to be not making normal sane feminists look batshit. More women and minority CEOs? Good thing. Bitching every time a white guy becomes one? Nt so much.

-Slackerbitch

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[info]doomsday
2006-06-16 06:21 pm UTC (link)
So all middle-aged white men are clones of each other with the exact same thoughts, priorities, and ideals?

Quick, someone tell Congress!

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[info]isntitironic
2006-06-16 07:58 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, everybody knows that Churchill, Stalin, and Hitler all thought exactly alike!

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[info]andra_dodger
2006-06-17 10:59 pm UTC (link)
Quick, someone tell Congress!

Something tells me congress already knows.

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[info]freezer
2006-06-16 06:37 pm UTC (link)
Don Dodge : The world is a better place because of Bill Gates...

Dear Lord... I think he's serious!

*reads on*

WHEW! He's talking about Gates' philantrophy! I'd hate to think someone is that much of a fan of Microsoft products...


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[info]nicolae
2006-06-16 07:32 pm UTC (link)
Well God knows Age of Empires really made an impact on my life.

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[info]provetheworst
2006-06-17 05:27 pm UTC (link)
... I really want to kick it old-school and play the original AoE again. Damn it.

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[info]damien
2006-06-20 05:35 pm UTC (link)
...Taken out of context, that scared me half to death. XD

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[info]gal_montag
2006-06-16 07:52 pm UTC (link)
Is there a juris imprudence law about people who still believe in reverse racism? Because there should be. They should be set afire.

And wow, where was the relevence?

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[info]nicolae
2006-06-16 08:45 pm UTC (link)
What I was always told was that racism can mean either bigotry on the basis of race (which means that anyone can be a racist about anyone else), or bigotry by the group in power against a group not in power on the basis of race (which means that racial bigotry against white people in the US is not racism).

So under the first definition what the person is calling "reverse racism" is just plain racism, and under the second definition there's no such thing as reverse racism.

That was a long and complicated way of saying word.

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pink_lightning
2006-06-17 01:08 am UTC (link)
Yeah, same. I heard 'backlash bigotry' used once, but I think it was in a different context.

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verthandi
2006-06-17 03:31 am UTC (link)
There needs to be. Gah! I want to go stabby stabby on people that use the term "reverse racism."

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