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grand_sealink (grand_sealink) wrote in otf_wank,
@ 2006-06-18 01:32:00

Current mood:

*sporfle!*

little_details wank: Rape!
Over at little_details, dartmouthtongue makes a post recommending a movie as a source of good material on how to write a realistic rape scene. The post includes a link to the IMDB page for the movie, and that's it.

funkyturtle is traumatized!:

the word "rape" is a trigger word for many people
please put it behind a cut
not doing so is vastly inconsiderate and downright rotten
thank you

People wonder at funkyturtle's sensitivity and how the topic might be brought up without offending her delicate sensibilities. Funkyturtle screams ~~rape!~~ harassment and leaves the ~~internets~~ community.

Tiny, but tasty!

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khym_chanur
2006-06-18 06:48 am UTC (link)

the word "rape" is a trigger word for many people
please put it behind a cut
not doing so is vastly inconsiderate and downright rotten
thank you

Well, it news to me (or was so before I saw this in

clairvoyantwank). I don't think this is something that's commonly known.

dreamburnt :Well, what the Hell else can you call "rape" besides RAPE?

funkyturtle: the answer to your question is usually "sexual assault" or "non consesual sex"

Okay, I know that the human mind can work in very strange ways, but if the word "rape" can make a rape victim flashback to their rape, then why wouldn the term "sexual assault" make them flashback to their sexual assault?

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	sisterelwood 2006-06-18 06:57 am UTC (link)
	Okay, I know that the human mind can work in very strange ways, but if the word "rape" can make a rape victim flashback to their rape, then why wouldn the term "sexual assault" make them flashback to their sexual assault You and your silly Earth logic. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

khym_chanur, 2006-06-18 07:05 am UTC

sisterelwood, 2006-06-18 07:47 am UTC

shaggydogstail, 2006-06-18 08:20 am UTC

	Reposted 'cause of wonky tags. dez_chan 2006-06-19 05:08 am UTC (link)
	Well, all I can say is I hope the turtle lady isn't in a Literature class, 'cause I remember a couple poems and such with the word "rape" in them. Like The Rape of the Lock or Shakespeare's The Rape of Lucrece...I mean heaven forbid she have to sit through an entire class that dealt with rape and used the word rape like that! My god! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

Re: Reposted 'cause of wonky tags. -

onaga, 2006-06-19 10:22 am UTC

	mydemand 2006-06-18 07:39 am UTC (link)
	I'm also getting the same wanky vibe from yaoi_slut... (Reply to this)(Thread)

	jim_smith 2006-06-18 01:36 pm UTC (link)
	The words "yaoi" and "slut" are trigger words for me, so please shut down that community, kthx. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	iwanttobeasleep 2006-06-19 09:03 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, she's like that. I actually had her quit a perfectly good RP on me on the grounds that I wouldn't play a character that would brutally rape hers. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2006-06-18 07:41 am UTC (link)
	possibilities said it best. "this place isn't your safehouse, we aren't required to censor it for you" I feel for funkyturtle, I really do, but I think she/he is being a bit oversensitive. (Reply to this)(Thread)

(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-06-18 11:29 pm UTC

	hypno_jango 2006-06-18 07:44 am UTC (link)
	They should do what Tokyopop did for the Slayers novel and use "kiss" instead of "rape". ~~Call me evil, but the almost-rape scenes in the Slayers novels are pretty damn funny.~~ (Reply to this)(Thread)

khym_chanur, 2006-06-18 07:53 am UTC

hypno_jango, 2006-06-18 07:56 am UTC

hypno_jango, 2006-06-18 07:56 am UTC

stopthatgirl7, 2006-06-18 08:13 am UTC

hypno_jango, 2006-06-18 08:14 am UTC

kyuuketsukirui, 2006-06-18 12:17 pm UTC

big_bad_wolf, 2006-06-29 02:37 pm UTC

kyuuketsukirui, 2006-06-29 11:09 pm UTC

smo, 2006-06-18 03:45 pm UTC

hypno_jango, 2006-06-18 03:49 pm UTC

smo, 2006-06-18 03:53 pm UTC

khym_chanur, 2006-06-18 09:52 pm UTC

hypno_jango, 2006-06-18 10:16 pm UTC

telophase, 2006-06-19 09:23 pm UTC

hypno_jango, 2006-06-19 09:49 pm UTC

hallidae, 2006-06-18 07:43 pm UTC

	shaggydogstail 2006-06-18 08:22 am UTC (link)
	I'm clearly a terrible person, because funkyturtle calling dartmouthtongue 'downright rotten' amuses me immensly. The perishing blighter! (Reply to this)(Thread)

cleolinda, 2006-06-18 09:07 am UTC

smo, 2006-06-18 03:46 pm UTC

lurker32, 2006-06-18 03:57 pm UTC

smo, 2006-06-18 04:02 pm UTC

stopthatgirl7, 2006-06-18 04:19 pm UTC

smo, 2006-06-18 04:40 pm UTC

*kissie face* -

stopthatgirl7, 2006-06-18 04:44 pm UTC

ladybirdsleeps
2006-06-18 09:24 am UTC (link)

Funkyturtle tried to make a farewell post, but I wasn't able to approve it because she left the community before I saw it in the queue. Here it is:

PTSD/Trigger/Panic Attack Info and Goodbye

I love this list. I've loved the information I've found on it. I've loved interacting with you all. I have repeatedly requested a basic nettiquette observance that is in place in most lists and communities online, of putting triggering words and topics behind a cut with a warning. Since [info]kutsuwamushi has stated that "if just the mention of the word is too upsetting for you, this community is not for you. I really do not want to see any more of these types of comments from you." I am unfortunately going to have to leave.

I leave you with the following little details which may be useful for your writing, and may just give you information you don't have or be aware of. It's particularly useful for anyone dealing with horror, mystery, suspense, wanting to add depth to characters or wanting to explain someone's bizarre reaction to a seemingly normal, non-threatening situation. It is something I deal with every day, and something that happens to me when I encounter references to, or images of, non-consensual sex.

<snip lots of basic information about panic attacks>

If ever the moderation of this community decides to encourage people to be courteous to each other regarding sexual assault, violence towards animals, and other triggering topics, I would love to come back. Sadly, my own mental health does not permit me to be able to stay in an environment like this one where the mods do not wish to support a trigger-safe environment. That's their choice. It's their community and I respect their rules, even if that means I must go.

Goodbye everyone. I had a lovely time while I was here and I enjoyed the community. I hope you all continue writing. Your posts have enriched my awareness of many things and the friends I've made through this list are precious to me.

Take care and, whatever you do, do not stop writing.

I sent her a very nice, polite and helpful rejection notice. (No, I'm not being sarcastic.) Now she's writing tortured poetry in her journal. I especially like these lines:

it only hurts me, reacting to something so pitiful
as the powerless words of an ignorant fool

Yup.

Also, here's the other comment that I alluded to in my reply to her.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-06-18 09:57 am UTC

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cat_mcdougall, 2006-06-18 10:35 am UTC

smo, 2006-06-18 03:46 pm UTC

stopthatgirl7, 2006-06-18 04:16 pm UTC

smo, 2006-06-18 04:41 pm UTC

stopthatgirl7, 2006-06-18 04:46 pm UTC

smo, 2006-06-18 05:07 pm UTC

stopthatgirl7, 2006-06-18 05:08 pm UTC

smo, 2006-06-18 05:36 pm UTC

ladybirdsleeps, 2006-06-18 06:54 pm UTC

smo, 2006-06-18 07:10 pm UTC

ladybirdsleeps, 2006-06-18 07:19 pm UTC

smo, 2006-06-18 07:29 pm UTC

ailei, 2006-06-18 02:53 pm UTC

moonjaguar, 2006-06-18 05:18 pm UTC

shark, 2006-06-18 06:24 pm UTC

nicolae, 2006-06-18 08:49 pm UTC

(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-06-19 10:34 am UTC

fevered_ego, 2006-06-18 09:44 pm UTC

(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-06-18 11:31 pm UTC

(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-06-18 12:45 pm UTC

faultypremise, 2006-06-18 12:53 pm UTC

stopthatgirl7, 2006-06-18 01:54 pm UTC

madelfdisease, 2006-06-18 03:17 pm UTC

(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-06-18 05:13 pm UTC

jat_sapphire, 2006-06-18 06:40 pm UTC

heddychaa, 2006-06-19 08:50 am UTC

ingrid, 2006-06-18 01:28 pm UTC

azawakh, 2006-06-18 01:31 pm UTC

jim_smith, 2006-06-18 01:43 pm UTC

stopthatgirl7, 2006-06-18 01:53 pm UTC

smo, 2006-06-18 03:47 pm UTC

stopthatgirl7, 2006-06-18 04:17 pm UTC

smo, 2006-06-18 04:41 pm UTC

pariforma, 2006-06-18 06:05 pm UTC

heddychaa, 2006-06-19 08:51 am UTC

jrs1980, 2006-06-18 03:11 pm UTC

also_not_a_pipe, 2006-06-18 05:48 pm UTC

ladybirdsleeps, 2006-06-18 06:56 pm UTC

stopthatgirl7, 2006-06-19 09:04 am UTC

gal_montag, 2006-06-18 06:06 pm UTC

hallidae, 2006-06-18 06:33 pm UTC

aerobot
2006-06-18 10:23 am UTC (link)

Okay, I can understand that the mention of a word can bring a panic attack - I'm not in that situation, so I'm not touching that.

But if the mere MENTION of the word 'rape' must be cut, how the hell is the community supposed to function? You can put it behind a cut, but how are you supposed to put a warning if you can't use the WORD? Even most of the feminist 'safe space' communities I go to cut for 'rape triggers'.

So, yeah. Much sympathy, but the request is not feasible.

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leto, 2006-06-18 11:17 am UTC

aerobot, 2006-06-18 11:37 am UTC

khym_chanur, 2006-06-18 09:59 pm UTC

dez_chan, 2006-06-19 05:05 am UTC

faultypremise
2006-06-18 01:04 pm UTC (link)

There is a fine line between being appropriately sensitive to victims/survivors of rape, and coddling them unnecessarily. As a survivor of rape myself, there are potential triggers out there that I would prefer be put under cuts in various communities. Most places do require some kind of decorum and tact in regards to rape, cut tags usually being required for anything that might be triggering. I'm very appreciative of that.

But the word 'rape' itself is a bit silly to require be put behind a cut. I hope this invididual gets herself some therapy, and soon. You can't go through life needing smelling salts every time someone utters/types the word 'rape' in your presence.

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gorogoro, 2006-06-18 03:55 pm UTC

faultypremise, 2006-06-19 03:04 am UTC

gorogoro, 2006-06-19 03:43 am UTC

	yubsie 2006-06-18 02:02 pm UTC (link)
	But... what would you put on the warning of the cut? (Reply to this)(Thread)

jrs1980, 2006-06-18 03:08 pm UTC

token_girl, 2006-06-18 07:24 pm UTC

aislyn, 2006-06-19 06:49 pm UTC

quinctia, 2006-06-18 09:16 pm UTC

fevered_ego, 2006-06-18 09:47 pm UTC

quinctia, 2006-06-18 09:50 pm UTC

stopthatgirl7, 2006-06-19 09:08 am UTC

aegflota, 2006-06-20 09:33 am UTC

quinctia, 2006-06-20 02:50 pm UTC

funwithrage, 2006-06-21 06:44 pm UTC

yubsie, 2006-06-18 11:25 pm UTC

khym_chanur, 2006-06-18 10:01 pm UTC

chibikaijuu, 2006-06-18 11:21 pm UTC

	xero_sky 2006-06-18 03:53 pm UTC (link)
	It is something I deal with every day Not very well, apparently. (Reply to this)

	haunted 2006-06-18 04:28 pm UTC (link)
	For someone so sensitive to people talking about sexual assault, she sure does...talk about sexual assault a lot. Also, her emo poetry is a thing of beauty. The tags for her post? "poem, sad" It's like a baby haiku just waiting to grow up. (Reply to this)(Thread)

big_bad_wolf, 2006-06-29 02:41 pm UTC

haunted, 2006-06-29 07:31 pm UTC

big_bad_wolf, 2006-06-29 08:54 pm UTC

	eilan 2006-06-18 05:10 pm UTC (link)
	Okay, the total lunacy that funkyturtle shows aside, is anyone else here really bothered by nachzes insisting that 'rape' only refers ro male-on-female or female-on-male 'sexual assault'? And when proved wrong because it's a different legal definition in the UK saying 'but it does in Canada' headdesk (Reply to this)(Thread)

caoilte, 2006-06-18 05:53 pm UTC

ladybirdsleeps, 2006-06-18 06:50 pm UTC

sepiamagpie, 2006-06-19 04:57 am UTC

stopthatgirl7, 2006-06-19 09:09 am UTC

vomitymcpuke
2006-06-18 05:35 pm UTC (link)

How does this girl go into a bookstore, even? Rape is a word used for things other than sexual assault, so cripes, I think it'd be pretty much impossible to avoid. No newspapers, no books (unless someone read them for you and let you know), no movies, no tv...otherwise she must be having panic attacks non-stop.

And if that's the case, I think it's time she checked herself into a mental health institution.

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	jrs1980 2006-06-18 07:38 pm UTC (link)
	WIN. (Reply to this)

	ravenscanary 2006-06-18 08:09 pm UTC (link)
	If the hyper sensitive folk at feminist don't consider the word "rape" in and of itself triggering, it must be acceptable, because you get your ass jumped there for anything that might hint of impropriety or offense. That's my rationale. (Reply to this)

	youcuntface 2006-06-19 12:52 am UTC (link)
	Heaven help her if she ever visits Canada, where all our packaging is English/French. Buying or even seeing any grated product (cheese, meat, etc) will cause her to curl up into a little ball and cry, since "grated" translates as "rapé." (Reply to this)

	(Anonymous) 2006-06-19 01:15 am UTC (link)
	I always assumed that victims of rape would prefer the term 'rape' to 'sexual assault' because it takes the emphasis off sex and back on to violence. (Reply to this)

	ymfaery 2006-06-19 06:58 am UTC (link)
	AHAHAHAHAHAHA. I KNEW this would show up here. XD XD XD (Reply to this)

	stjarna 2006-06-19 12:05 pm UTC (link)
	I'm now going to spam my entire flist with the word "chocolate" is a trigger word for many people, please put it behind a cut.. I knew it wasn't my fault I keep eating the dratted stuff. (Reply to this)

	(Anonymous) 2006-06-19 05:55 pm UTC (link)
	Someone with the username pajanada just posted a nonsensical response to the OP: "I've taken care to attempt to approach this issue from different points of view, and different definitions of the word, as you've pointed out; perhaps you should do the same, and not shove your definitions onto me." Umm. WTF? -Saintsavin on LJ (Reply to this)

	kittikattie 2006-08-19 10:13 am UTC (link)
	Tubman's Law Violation! (Reply to this)

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