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Azzy ([info]azawakh) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2006-06-26 15:05:00


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MOGGY LIBERATION
Over at naturalliving, my_only_skin posts about her roommate's unaltered cats, which've been exiled to the balcony for spraying and may or may not be set free instead of sent back to the shelter. Included is this tidbit:

and i dont necessarily want to get them neutered because i believe that cats are people to, and i would never cut anybody's balls off (without their consent, of course), plus we dont have the money.

Naturally, there's plenty of "fix your cats, jackass, and don't ditch them in the wild" comments, but also some musing on what's "natural" and this juicy thread which includes both as well as comparing sterilization to declawing, debarking, and frontal lobotomies. There's even a side topic about snipping humans. (Get childfree in here, stat!)


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[info]doomsday
2006-06-26 07:30 pm UTC (link)
plus we dont have the money

That's the key to her argument, right there.

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[info]hallidae
2006-06-26 07:53 pm UTC (link)
Outta curiousity, isn't it the roommate's responsibility to get the cats fixed, not hers?

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[info]ladybirdsleeps
2006-06-26 07:53 pm UTC (link)
cats are people to

This puts a whole new spin on why leash-training the fuckers is so difficult.

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[info]ayezur
2006-06-26 08:18 pm UTC (link)
Maaaan, I tried leash-training mine when a move made it necessary to make her an indoor kitty and she'd been indoor/outdoor her whole life. I had this idea that if I could take her for walks it might be easier...

All she did was hunch on the ground and look miserable. Dammit. I'm trying to help you, you worthless sack of fur!

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(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2006-06-26 08:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladybirdsleeps, 2006-06-26 08:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2006-06-26 08:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2006-06-26 11:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]m_butterfly, 2006-06-27 12:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]wankismyfandom, 2006-06-27 06:17 am UTC
(no subject) - dracothelizard, 2006-06-27 11:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]hellespont, 2006-06-26 08:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - iwanttobeasleep, 2006-06-26 10:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]fevered_ego, 2006-06-27 12:55 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]loonylupinlover, 2006-06-27 01:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]adora_spintriae, 2006-06-27 03:12 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-06-27 07:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]misakichi, 2006-06-28 12:32 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-06-27 08:19 am UTC
(no subject) - dracothelizard, 2006-06-27 11:44 am UTC

[info]sithwitch13
2006-06-26 08:40 pm UTC (link)
My parents had me leash-trained as a kid. (Yeah, I had a tendancy to wander.) The lesson here is, start 'em young and they'll be used to anything. Also, treats work wonders.

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(no subject) - [info]moonjaguar, 2006-06-26 09:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sithwitch13, 2006-06-26 10:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]adora_spintriae, 2006-06-27 03:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2006-06-27 04:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ianthefira, 2006-06-27 04:17 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-06-27 09:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]shakeandbake, 2006-06-27 12:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladybirdsleeps, 2006-06-27 12:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]m_butterfly, 2006-06-27 01:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ianthefira, 2006-06-27 04:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]imaloserbaby, 2006-06-28 06:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-06-27 07:28 am UTC

[info]wolfshark
2006-06-26 08:04 pm UTC (link)
I always get angry at these people who forget that cats =/= people. It's very simple, folks!

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(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2006-06-26 08:17 pm UTC

[info]nicolae
2006-06-26 08:56 pm UTC (link)
We had three dogs (now only two, as the eldest, who was fifteen, died last spring), and both the males weren't neutered. The girl is spayed, though. Our yard has big tall fences and we're certainly not backyard breeders, but I have to admit that if it's not causing behavioral problems and if the dogs aren't free to run around and have sex with unaltered bitches I don't see the problem with having dogs with testicles.

*wipes up*

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(no subject) - [info]hellespont, 2006-06-26 09:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nicolae, 2006-06-26 09:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hellespont, 2006-06-26 09:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ayezur, 2006-06-26 10:28 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ianthefira, 2006-06-27 04:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2006-06-26 10:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]warchio, 2006-06-26 09:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hellespont, 2006-06-26 09:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]warchio, 2006-06-26 09:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - iwanttobeasleep, 2006-06-26 10:35 pm UTC
Wow.
(Anonymous)
2006-06-26 08:58 pm UTC (link)
You know, there should be a pet ownership licence.

Male unneutered cats spraying? Zomg, what a totally unexpected surprise! Let's ditch them at the SPCA or abandon them to go feral and make zillions of unwanted kittens, because sterilising them would be too expen^h^h^h^h^h insensitive to their rights as little furry persons.

D:

- confluence

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Re: Wow. - [info]doomsday, 2006-06-26 09:12 pm UTC
Re: Wow. - [info]gorogoro, 2006-06-27 02:13 pm UTC
*channeling Bob Barker for a moment*
[info]hellespont
2006-06-26 09:01 pm UTC (link)
Oh, god, people, neuter your friggen cats. I can understand not having the money for it, but make it a priority, save up, find out if there's a spay-a-thon in your area, and DO IT! I am a crazy-cat-lady-training, and my mom (the full fledged CCL) and I foster pregnant and nursing cats for the animal shelter. My room is usually the nursery and two separate litters have been born on my floor. The kittens are adorable, but so are all the middle-aged cats wasting away in shelters, and I don't always appreciate being the custodian for other people's irresponsibility. Especially infuriating was the time I was canvassing for the shelter and one woman declined to donate but proudly introduced to me her two cats that she planned on breeding. They weren't even the same breed (I am also mostly against purebred breeding, but at least there's a demand for those kittens), for crying out loud!

Plus, my new backyard in the city is now Make-Out Point for all the stray and wandering cats in the neighbourhood, and the nightly howls of randy females. Then the males come along, and it's all "Hey, baby, do you have any tabby in you? Would you like some?" and then there's fighting and procreation and the whole damn thing starts all over again.

Whew. I seemed to have wanked here. If only more cats could learn to masturbate, like our dear, departed, neutered Tori did, instead of bumping uglies.

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Re: *channeling Bob Barker for a moment* - [info]moonjaguar, 2006-06-26 10:23 pm UTC
Re: *channeling Bob Barker for a moment* - [info]hellespont, 2006-06-26 11:41 pm UTC
Re: *channeling Bob Barker for a moment* - [info]sidewinder, 2006-06-27 12:20 am UTC
Re: *channeling Bob Barker for a moment* - [info]issendai, 2006-06-27 03:30 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2006-06-26 09:08 pm UTC (link)
Wow, this is all over snark comms- both stupid_free and domestic_snark picked it up, too. I guess this is truly transcendental batshit.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-06-27 01:05 am UTC

[info]jabberwockypie
2006-06-26 09:45 pm UTC (link)
GET YOUR ANIMALS FIXED, DAMMIT!

Until I was 9, we lived on five acres in the country and people would dump off their pets or litters of kittens all the time thinking "oh, someone will take them in cause they're cute". You know what most people out there did to stray cats? They shot them! My Mom loves animals, but she had to call Animal Control because this one litter of kittens someone dumped off grew up and went feral and I was three and my sister was 18 months old and we used to play in the yard and wild animals carry diseases and they're just NOT SAFE (they were crapping in my sandbox).

I'm not trying to sound like I think I'm a saint when it comes to pet ownership, but we've always had animals and we've always had our pets fixed with one notable exception. There was a stray kitten that my father found and brought home. My parents were seperated at the time and Mom, sister, and I were living with my grandmother 3,000 miles away while mom was going back to school. My mom hadn't seen the cat, but told him to make sure to get her fixed and my father (who has several master's degrees but could not, apparently, tell the difference between male and female genitalia) said "Oh, I don't think we have to worry about that". Some time later we came home and my Mom noticed the cat was getting fatter. I believe the phrase used was "God Dammit, Tom, this cat doesn't have balls!" We kept the kittens, we were lucky enough to have enough property to do so at the time, and you can bet your ass they all got fixed once the whole thing was over.

I also know a girl, older than me, who has this colony of inbred cats and doesn't bother to get any of them fixed, so the cats make exponentially more cats. Mr. Head, meet Mr. Desk.

About neutering: I have heard, and I admit that I don't have sources to back this up, that a large percentage of the pets that get hit by cars are unneutered males who were wandering around trying to find something to have sex with.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-07-14 01:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jabberwockypie, 2006-07-14 05:18 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-07-14 12:12 pm UTC

[info]moonjaguar
2006-06-26 10:11 pm UTC (link)
Dammit, now I've got that "Kids are People too (wock-a-doo, wock-a-doo, wock-a-doo!)" themesong stuck in my head thanks to my_only_skin.

I've always got my cats fixed (unless they were already fixed when I got them) because of the behavior benefits and the fact I didn't want to add any more cats to the stray, feral and shelter population. It hit home more when I lived in a city two years ago that had problems with packs of feral dogs, strays and backyard breeders constantly tacking up signs for "pitt bul puppys $300 femails $250 mails" or "Himalayan kittens 4 sale" (especially in my ward. Guess the higher fees for rabies tags and licensing for intact dogs and cats didn't stop them). The only household for miles with a license was an older couple who bred Pomeranians. They didn't overbreed, kept the population down, socialized them in the house. Their Poms were real healthy and good-tempered. That was the first time I heard about birth control for dogs when they brought one of their bitches in for her shot.

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[info]shakeandbake
2006-06-27 01:04 am UTC (link)
My personal pet anecdote trumps your personal pet anecdote!

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[info]frequentmouse
2006-06-27 01:16 am UTC (link)
Obviously these people are not currently resident anywhere in the western United States, where free-roaming cats are now as rare as Unicorns, thanks to a booming coyote population.

Also? neutering is a heck of a lot less expensive than replacing drywall because it reeks of cat piss (not to mention the danger of having your house mistaken for a meth lab).

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(no subject) - [info]shakeandbake, 2006-06-27 12:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]frequentmouse, 2006-06-27 04:19 pm UTC

[info]m_butterfly
2006-06-27 01:31 am UTC (link)
This seems like a nice opportunity to bring up AlleyCat.org, which is the lot behind the trap, neuter, and release programs. It's a great idea for dealing with feral cats humanely. (We've got some of them living in my local area--you can tell because of the ear-tipping.)

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(no subject) - [info]kelschuu, 2006-06-27 03:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jaina, 2006-06-27 03:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ianthefira, 2006-06-27 04:37 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]winter, 2006-06-27 11:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sidewinder, 2006-06-27 01:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jabberwockypie, 2006-06-27 04:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rimrunner, 2006-07-04 04:47 am UTC

[info]wrongly_amused
2006-06-27 01:44 am UTC (link)
and i dont necessarily want to get them neutered because i believe that cats are people to, and i would never cut anybody's balls off (without their consent, of course), plus we dont have the money.

ORLY? Well, then, those kittens and puppies that get dumped in alley ways and rivers are people too. Since our cats can't have a moral crisis over abortion, let's just be all preemptive and avoid that route.

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(no subject) - [info]rosehiptea, 2006-06-27 02:44 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-07-14 01:25 am UTC

[info]oxydosic
2006-06-27 02:44 am UTC (link)
Yeah, don't neuter them. Much better to just set them loose to be run over or torn apart by a dog or wild animal, and likely they will make more unwanted kittens. Way to be a responsible pet owner.

God, i want to smack them.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-06-29 03:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]oxydosic, 2006-06-29 11:00 am UTC

[info]greenling
2006-06-27 03:16 am UTC (link)
Heh. If she really thinks a domesticated critter can thrive without aid, why is she bothering with a house? She could easily cut her bills by living in the street.

After all, if cats = people, people = cats.

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[info]rekall
2006-06-27 03:34 am UTC (link)
and i dont necessarily want to get them neutered because i believe that cats are people to, and i would never cut anybody's balls off (without their consent, of course), plus we dont have the money.

So it's better to have the cats outdoors living on a tiny balcony instead of having them safe and happy indoors after a simple operation? :\

Is she the only person around who didn't grow up watching the Price is Right? Because I've had "Remember to spay and neuter your pets" drilled into my head for as long as I can remember.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-06-27 06:27 pm UTC

[info]chaos_theory
2006-06-27 04:35 am UTC (link)
sdragon" There are two changes made by neutering -- reproduction and behavior. The first I'm okay with, but the second bothers me because it implies that it is acceptable for us humans to significantly alter the behavior of animals with wild instincts to fit our cozy lives.

#2 is the actually technical definition of domestication. Because you know, wild cats really don't do so much of the snuggling people and living in houses and eating food from cans and not gnawing your face off and then running away.

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(no subject) - [info]chaos_theory, 2006-06-27 04:53 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]frequentmouse, 2006-06-27 04:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chaos_theory, 2006-06-28 02:35 am UTC

[info]brown_betty
2006-06-27 08:03 am UTC (link)
//and i would never cut anybody's balls off (without their consent, of course)//

The fact that she specifies without consent throws me for a loop. I'm afraid their consent isn't really what's stopping me.

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[info]emiweebee
2006-06-27 03:36 pm UTC (link)
I must avoid this wank for fear of the ALL CONSUMING RAGE it will no doubt give me.

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[info]v_digitalwytch
2006-06-27 04:15 pm UTC (link)
Both my cats are neutered, chipped and tattooed even though they're indoor cats since it only takes one run at a good clip out the door.

Maybe it's me but I just am not seeing the 'logic' these people are using since 'natural' is a state we just can't go back to at this time. I remember my Mom telling me of her fellow hippies who eagerly wanted to 'get back to nature' and all, then once they truly comprehended what that meant they were quick to head back to 'civilization'.

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(no subject) - [info]moonjaguar, 2006-06-27 10:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]v_digitalwytch, 2006-06-28 05:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]chibikaijuu, 2006-06-29 12:16 am UTC

[info]aislyn
2006-06-27 05:37 pm UTC (link)
I'm wondering if there's money to be made marketing "informed consent" forms for neutering to these idiots...

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(Anonymous)
2006-07-02 01:48 am UTC (link)
Damn, you're always all UP in the animal drama, aren't you? :>

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