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Gilraen ([info]ladyvorkosigan) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2006-07-11 18:17:00


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Watch, as right before your eyes
Anti_Feminism completes its transition from stupid to creepy (though that might actually have happened a while back; not sure).

[info]david_deacon posts "Well, I finally found a few good sourcebooks for the scum over at Feminist", and adds some links to sites defining racism, sexism, etc. using the racism = prejudism + power definition we've all come to know well (note: I'm posting this because I think david_deacon's post is too wanky not to, not because I'm trying to reopen that particular can of worms). Not content to leave the hyperbole where it stands, he adds "People responsible for such a diseased philosophy are no better than the KKK or American Nazi Party in my book."

People concur ("Poor, stereotyped whites!"), dissent (watch Memorygilded attempt to bring the sanity), and the whole thing verges into the completely nonsensical.

Small, but growing. And my God is that OP wanky.


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[info]nicolae
2006-07-12 02:41 am UTC (link)
That whole "honey"/"dollface" thing is giving me flashbacks to He Who Must Not Be Named (or he'll show up here and be tl;dr).

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[info]judyhazeleyes
2006-07-12 05:41 am UTC (link)
'Dollface' is all kinds of yuck.

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(no subject) - [info]nebbieq, 2006-07-12 05:47 am UTC
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[info]the_crawford
2006-07-12 12:18 pm UTC (link)
Well, it's been a few days, and we're due for a reminder about his privates.

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[info]mcity
2006-07-12 02:59 am UTC (link)
Let's get this out of the way; the wank tends to stem from the difference between the lay and sociological definitions of power. The former calls for acting on prejudices about race, or even having those prejudices. The latter is similar to the first, but calls for power as well.

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[info]rosehiptea
2006-07-12 03:06 am UTC (link)
But I think there are plenty of ways to discuss the different definitions of racism (I don't expect people to follow the definitions that the feminist LJ uses when I'm not on it, either...) without comparing people to Nazis and the KKK. That's the part where I'm seeing the wank.

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(no subject) - [info]ladyvorkosigan, 2006-07-12 03:14 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]beandelphiki, 2006-07-13 03:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mcity, 2006-07-12 03:29 am UTC

[info]njyoder
2006-07-13 01:31 am UTC (link)
The sociological definition you refer to isn't exactly a de facto standard. It seems that it's mostly the non-science portions claiming to be part of sociology (e.g. women's/gender/feminist studies) that's the standard definition.

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[info]ladybirdsleeps
2006-07-12 03:13 am UTC (link)
david_deacon showed up in a fanficrants post once and tried to stir up shit, long after the wank had died down. (I think it was one of those "wah! fandom's too female and everyone's ignoring my cock!" ones.)

Strikes me that being a bigoted jerk is one of his hobbies.

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[info]dechant
2006-07-12 04:12 am UTC (link)
Why do I get the idea that ignoring his cock is not that difficult, even when he's waving it in everyone's faces?

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(no subject) - [info]frequentmouse, 2006-07-12 04:29 pm UTC

[info]frau_eva
2006-07-12 03:22 am UTC (link)
Why must you ruin Hyde's face for me, you bastard?! *sobs into her That 70's Show DVDs*

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[info]seiberwing
2006-07-12 03:35 am UTC (link)
They bring up njyodar in that post. It sounds familiar.

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[info]waterfront
2006-07-12 03:37 am UTC (link)
That's not too surprising.

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(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2006-07-12 03:38 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2006-07-12 03:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]waterfront, 2006-07-12 03:53 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2006-07-12 03:56 am UTC
Oops, replied to the wrong post. - (Anonymous), 2006-07-12 09:10 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2006-07-12 09:09 am UTC (link)
He has an article but Disconscious doesn't? That's weird.

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(no subject) - [info]mindset, 2006-07-12 04:22 pm UTC

[info]njyoder
2006-07-13 01:34 am UTC (link)
That's probably because I'm a maintainer of anti_feminism.

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(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2006-07-13 01:39 am UTC
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[info]waterfront
2006-07-12 03:36 am UTC (link)
That's right, david_deacon! You show those arrogant women and black people what's what! Reclaim the dignity of the white man, so tarnished by-- by--

...well, anyway, comparing your opponents to the KKK and Nazis is the best way to do it.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-07-12 07:51 am UTC

[info]dechant
2006-07-12 04:13 am UTC (link)
I would like to snog [info]dysgr8mistake.

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[info]kittikattie
2006-07-12 04:47 am UTC (link)
Oh, bork that whole thing.

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[info]chaimonkey
2006-07-12 05:52 am UTC (link)
As a member of [info]anti_feminist, let me note that [info]david_deacon is a tolerated member of the community? aka we don't kick people out for letting shit spill from their mouths. So plz to not be mistaking him for a representative, kthx.

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(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2006-07-12 06:15 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]ladyvorkosigan, 2006-07-12 06:30 am UTC
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(Anonymous)
2006-07-12 08:07 am UTC (link)
You know it's a trainwreck when memorygilded is the only sane voice.

She's usually pretty batshit.

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(Anonymous)
2006-07-12 12:14 pm UTC (link)
i hardly thought that white people were so unfairly stereotyped in comparision to everyone else. i was just pointing out that everyone has a "poor shiftless lazy" stereotype.

hello, concept of white trash anyone?

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(no subject) - [info]wickedwitch, 2006-07-12 05:07 pm UTC
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[info]exit_chrysalis
2006-07-12 12:17 pm UTC (link)
Aaaaand we've been linked. Thanks, [info]wussycat.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-07-12 01:53 pm UTC
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[info]splorch
2006-07-12 02:21 pm UTC (link)
Everybody can reach for it all they want, but I am not sure all of them have as much of a background in logic and philosophy as I do.

You don't know the history of logic! I do!

I love the internets. Every day there's a new way to be condescended to.

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(no subject) - [info]napoleon, 2006-07-12 06:08 pm UTC

[info]pragmatic
2006-07-12 03:39 pm UTC (link)
I'm posting this because I think david_deacon's post is too wanky not to, not because I'm trying to reopen that particular can of worms

Let's hope no one takes this post as an invitation for "Racism 101 with otf_wank posters" part...seventy? sixty-two?

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(no subject) - [info]oar, 2006-07-12 05:51 pm UTC
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Do you have a link? - [info]selene_avis, 2006-07-13 03:29 am UTC
Re: Do you have a link? - [info]chibikaijuu, 2006-07-13 07:19 pm UTC
Re: Do you have a link? - [info]selene_avis, 2006-07-14 01:20 am UTC
Re: Do you have a link? - [info]seiberwing, 2006-07-14 02:26 am UTC
Re: Do you have a link? - [info]chibikaijuu, 2006-07-14 03:19 am UTC
Re: Do you have a link? - [info]selene_avis, 2006-07-15 04:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2006-07-12 10:52 pm UTC
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(Anonymous)
2006-07-12 06:45 pm UTC (link)
feminist and feminist_rage: You're either with us or you're with the oppressors!

anti_feminism: Fuck that.


Just an alternative to Ginmar, people. Why is that a problem?

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(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2006-07-12 08:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]wickedwitch, 2006-07-14 08:55 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2006-07-12 11:08 pm UTC
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[info]gal_montag
2006-07-12 09:08 pm UTC (link)
I love how a list of imaginary white people proves their point.

And the next person to promote "reverse racism" as a valid concept fails at life.

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(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2006-07-12 11:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]adora_spintriae, 2006-07-13 07:59 am UTC
General response to some of the comments I've seen in this post.
(Anonymous)
2006-07-17 09:45 pm UTC (link)
I find much more thought-provoking, intelligent, eye-opening ideas about sexism in anti_feminism than I do in feminist. The feminists in anti_feminism are much more rational about arguing their point and (at least for me) do a better job of persuading the reader to not only notice but understand why the pressure to conform to gender roles can be harmful to an individual.

david_deacon is a bad example of the average viewpoint in that community. Most people in there are feminists (or equalists or whatever the fuck you want to call it), but sick of the counter-productive extremism found in the movement.

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