mindset
2006-07-13 05:35 pm UTC (link)

Oy.

I only want to know, when she says "orthodox Jewish" company, does she mean, what, like a law firm owned by Jews? Or a JCC or school or something? Because the latter can definitely enforce any codes they want, being religious through and through. As for the former, I wouldn't *write* said codes if I were an owner, but I'm modern-O myself, not a black-hatter. (My dad's store has no such codes either, but it *is* a hardware store.)

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	greenling 2006-07-13 11:04 pm UTC (link)
	black-hatter Thank you, now I'll be imagining Orthodox Jewish men chugging black-market Jolt and hacking into the Pentagon all night. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	mindset 2006-07-14 12:29 am UTC (link)
	I like that image, but it's actually literal in this case. :) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2006-07-13 05:36 pm UTC (link)
	I call troll. (Reply to this)

	photosinensis 2006-07-13 05:53 pm UTC (link)
	Ah, Jewish Nazis. Has there ever been such an oxymoron? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	amxjm 2006-07-14 05:07 am UTC (link)
	"I'm with the Anti-Semitic Jews. ...we're new." (Reply to this)(Parent)

	zyna_kat 2006-07-13 05:56 pm UTC (link)
	So... Recommendation is trying to sataryze Madison's newyorkers post? But in the process, has made herself look like an idiot. I think. I'm confused. Yes, me too, very. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	ladyrogue 2006-07-13 07:19 pm UTC (link)
	Looking at this person's profile, I think it might actually be a guy... I think. I'm not entirely sure. And I am also confused... majorly. o.O (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	jrs1980 2006-07-14 12:58 am UTC (link)
	Looking at this person's profile, I think it might actually be a guy Well. That would be oppreshun. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	missdaisy 2006-07-13 06:05 pm UTC (link)
	A wanky community for my city? Wee! runs off to join And yeah, this is a weird one. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	nicolae 2006-07-13 06:22 pm UTC (link)
	Hey, Philadelphia? Score! Whereabouts? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sidewinder 2006-07-13 06:25 pm UTC (link)
	Enter at your own risk. Seriously. City of Brotherly Love, my ass. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	nicolae 2006-07-13 06:26 pm UTC (link)
	No, no, I meant where in Philadelphia are you? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sidewinder 2006-07-13 06:31 pm UTC (link)
	Doh. Stupid me (sorry, wank killing braincells or something.) Graduate Hospital area...the side of South Street that isn't ultra-trendy but still kind of sucks. And you? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	nicolae 2006-07-13 06:32 pm UTC (link)
	Chestnut Hill, home of the WASPs. But I used to live at south Philly. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	missdaisy 2006-07-13 06:44 pm UTC (link)
	Fairmount here! Wow, it's like a little Philly get together right here on F-W. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	spawn_of_kong 2006-07-13 07:58 pm UTC (link)
	raises hand meekly I'm currently a U-Arts student; I'll be starting my sophomore year this September. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	jenny_atrox 2006-07-14 05:30 am UTC (link)
	Fox Chase, in the Northeast, representin'! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	number13baby 2006-07-14 06:15 am UTC (link)
	Icon! Cuteness! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2006-07-15 01:43 pm UTC (link)
	waves Just graduated from Penn meself... someone give me a job! (lj muppetfromhell) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	nicolae 2006-07-13 06:24 pm UTC (link)
	I personally don't see what's wrong with a private company requiring its employees not dress in a way that the owner considers inappropriate. And is anyone else kind of uncomfortable with the constant harping on the fact that it's the Jews? (Reply to this)(Thread)

rosehiptea
2006-07-13 08:44 pm UTC (link)

Me, though apparently the present post is a troll/parody... not sure how the past post is.

I used to work for an Orthodox Jewish synagogue. I was an Orthodox Jew at the time, and dressed very strictly. The other employees were mostly not Orthodox, and pretty much operated under a "use common sense" dictate... (don't wear shorts and mini-skirts and sleeveless blouses...) But after an incident at a company party they decided to strictly enforce a dress code. (Which I actually thought was unfair, at the time, even though I always dressed like that...) and a couple of the employees made a fuss that they would never, ever wear a long skirt so the company should give them money to buy some (which ticked me off also, from the other end...) It was a giant mess.

But this thing goes the other way, believe me. My friend was a married Orthodox woman working for a non-Orthodox Jewish organization. Her boss told her "You can't cover your hair here, we don't live in the shtetl anymore." She threatened to go to his superiors.

Sorry for the tl;dr. Just for once a wank about something I like to bitch about.

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mrbimble
2006-07-17 02:26 pm UTC (link)

My friend was a married Orthodox woman working for a non-Orthodox Jewish organization. Her boss told her "You can't cover your hair here, we don't live in the shtetl anymore."

That's ... weird. Why not tell her she doesn't *HAVE* to cover her hair, rather than she *CAN'T*?

Also, if I may ask: is the covering-the-hair something that happens after the woman is married? My sister-in-law coverted to Orthodox Judaism (from Roman Catholicsm!!) and doesn't cover her hair; but I have noticed the skirts-only and long sleeves.

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rosehiptea
2006-07-17 03:04 pm UTC (link)

Yes, it happens after the woman is married. Some Orthodox women wear wigs, so it can be hard to tell. (And some don't cover their hair...)

I think he wanted to get in a dig at Orthodox people, basically. Telling her she doesn't have to cover her hair wouldn't have been enough. It was very clearly anti-Orthodox behavior, and I were her I'd have been tempted to go to his supervisor anyway.

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	dreamworld 2006-07-13 06:36 pm UTC (link)
	Wow, capitalism is run by the government. Who knew? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	kittenmommy 2006-07-13 07:00 pm UTC (link)
	I know - I read that and was like, "WTF?" I'm so glad I made this [points at icon] because I get tons of use out of it! ;) Kittenmommy. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Go go Gadget Godwin's Law! (Anonymous) 2006-07-13 06:55 pm UTC (link)
	and funny you mention stars of david! how is it they forget that dress codes have been imposed on THEM in the past! BY NAZIS!!! (http://community.livejournal.com/philadelphia/2190337.html?thread=17352961#t17352961) (Reply to this)(Thread)

Re: Go go Gadget Godwin's Law!

kittenmommy
2006-07-13 07:03 pm UTC (link)

Oh good grief.

And from the same post that you're referencing: and in the winter, i will have to trudge through the snow and the sleet in fancy shoes and skirts, freezing my ass off, and will no doubt catch cold.

As another poster pointed out, that's not how you catch cold.

And why couldn't she dress however she wanted while going to and from work, and just change clothes when she got there and right before she left? I'm sure her employers wouldn't be able to object to that, because what she does on her own time is her business.

Kittenmommy.

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	Re: Go go Gadget Godwin's Law! (Anonymous) 2006-07-19 06:15 pm UTC (link)
	Or, y'know, wear tights and boots? How hte hell did she think people managed before women wore trousers? I'm biased, I walked to school every day for four years in a full length pleated skirt. That thing was a gift in cold weather. I think it may actually have been made of Kevlar. The school blazer definitely was. [marymac.livejournal.com] (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2006-07-13 07:01 pm UTC (link)
	My friend just got a job where she has to do busy bar work in a long sleeved white shirt which buttons up to the collar, a knee length black skirt, tights, 'sensible' black shoes, an apron and a BOWTIE. There are also a few rules regarding hair, watches, etc. Until this girl has to wear a BOWTIE, she's not allowed to complain. (Reply to this)(Thread)

funwithrage
2006-07-13 09:54 pm UTC (link)

While I do consider it lame to force other people to dress according to your religious codes--as opposed to generally accepted "professional attire"--word. Back near where I grew up, there was at least one bakery that required its female workers to wear little Danish dresses-and-aprons, put their hair in two pigtails, and say "Heidi-Ho!" to customers.

This chick doesn't begin to get to complain.

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	judyhazeleyes 2006-07-13 10:02 pm UTC (link)
	... oh, HELL no. I'd be quitting in record time as soon as they busted out the dress. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	dark_puck 2006-07-14 12:52 am UTC (link)
	....Jesus, even theme park employee uniforms are better than that. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ladyrogue 2006-07-13 07:20 pm UTC (link)
	Wank plagiarism? That's a new one.... Also, oh god he/she/it is in the House fandom.. STAY AWAY FROM MY FANDOM! (Reply to this)(Thread)

	rosehiptea 2006-07-13 08:47 pm UTC (link)
	House would totally diss her for picking on the frummies. (OK maybe not but I had to say it...) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	m_butterfly 2006-07-14 10:06 pm UTC (link)
	I dunno. I'm sort of fond of her presence, possibly because she gave me the best moment out of my otf_wank with a_f: "i cant imagine why any sane person would side with someone with that many links to fanfiction at the top of her journal." Her other comments in the thread are equally entertaining. She's wanky, but she's so hapless at it that it's funny. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	drworm 2006-07-13 07:33 pm UTC (link)
	Hahaha, oh, I like recommendation. But I thought he was a dude... (Reply to this)

	queencallipygos 2006-07-13 07:42 pm UTC (link)
	Oh please. A friend of mine works for a similarly "Orthodox Jewish company" -- in fact, it's a Jewish outreach program -- and she's also not all that religious, and also has the dress code. But she's learned to suck it up -- and do you know why? 1) She get shorter hours on Fridays, and 2) She gets an extra two weeks off during the High Holidays. Tradeoffs, people. (Reply to this)

	fevered_ego 2006-07-13 09:30 pm UTC (link)
	I'm quite sure this is a troll. S/he totally goes out of character in the replies. Also, "If I have to wear a skirt, the terrorists win." Hee! (Reply to this)

	(Anonymous) 2006-07-13 11:25 pm UTC (link)
	.......Isn't it spelled "burqua?" (Serious queztion). (Reply to this)(Thread)

	panthea 2006-07-14 02:34 am UTC (link)
	Burqa. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	gal_montag 2006-07-13 11:28 pm UTC (link)
	Yet another person who wins at losing. (Reply to this)

	jenny_atrox 2006-07-14 05:31 am UTC (link)
	Arg. recommendation is the most annoying goddamn person on that community. worse then chrissimari...and that's saying alot. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	life_on_mars 2006-07-14 02:33 pm UTC (link)
	I wish I had the energy to give your icon a standing ovation, but it's been a tough day. Would you settle for a pathetic whimper? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	exdee 2006-07-14 07:03 pm UTC (link)
	I can do it for you :) applauds That icon made my day. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	m_butterfly 2006-07-14 10:07 pm UTC (link)
	blows a horn CAPSLOCK CROWD! Man, they try so hard to be wanky. You can tell, they just didn't get enough love as children. (Reply to this)