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original_dessie ([info]original_dessie) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2006-07-21 15:12:00


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There's a story that's gone round all the British papers in the last few days about a Christian school in Devon banning its school choir from singing 'Imagine' in the end-of-term concert. A Guardian journalist called Caroline Sullivan writes a short and fairly innocuous piece on this in one of the paper's blogs.

Things start to get wanky in the comments.

Some choice quotes:

DrRic: Nice bit of Christian propoganda, didn't realise the Guardian went in for this sort of thing.

Davidell99: It's a shame that the headteacher didn't just ban the song because it's a load of hypocritical rubbish; that would have been a farmore powerful message.
"Imagine no possessions" when you're living a life in the lap of luxury, eh John...?


deus: hold up, hold up - are you saying that only poor people are allowed to argue for a better world? what a load of nonsense!

Kahotep: Well, *I'm* not saying that. I'm saying that it's the height of hypocrisy, akin to buying a hippie tie-dye shirt from a High Street shop. Apart from allegedly making some small donations to a Trotskyite party, what exactly did Lennon do to become a champion of peace? What
practical steps did he take to make the world a better place? Run for office? Give away the profits from the song? Organise protest marches?


Hitlick: .... sorry but most of you sound like fakin' 'nazis'....
it's totally irrelevant that Lennon was rich, what he said was true and it still is! we DO NOT need religion (anymore!) it sucks, it's a power tool, can it be more evident than what's going on in the US right now? Do you get it? You might think you need it or your mom once told you not to do this or that but you know what....? you need to find out by yourself!!


smudger79: Its a non story in the first place, isn't it? so a headteacher doesn't agree with the lyrics to a song...Find something interesting to write about.

WattaPalaver: I am not and have never been a "fakin Nazi". I think maybe Lennon was - arrogant, preachy, do-as-I-say not do-as-I-do, and Imagine is the major tool in his armoury to defend the status quo - don't organise, don't protest, don't believe in anything other than some nebulous concept of "togetherness" that would allow him and missus to live in the lap of luxury in some five star hotel and never get out of bed (and make it look like a "statement") while the rest of us were working up a sweat campaigning for a better world.

Imagine is NOT just a song. It is the officially sanctioned wibble of rebellion tossed to the masses by the people who control our lives. That is why I am surprised that this headmaster banned it. He could have looked so "cool" if he had let his kids sing it and it would not have been in any way dangerous.


A very small wank, but fun while it lasted.


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[info]serai
2006-07-21 02:57 pm UTC (link)
I love how they bash Lennon for being "hypocritical" when their own god (I'm assuming they're all Christians) tells them Judge not, lest ye be judged. It's just wonderful how readily Jesus's teachings can be twisted into all kinds of convenient shapes and sizes, isn't it?

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[info]brown_betty
2006-07-21 03:24 pm UTC (link)
I dunno, I think I detect some atheist wank in there too.

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(Anonymous)
2006-07-21 09:37 pm UTC (link)
Apparently so. Christianity, unfortunately, doesn't, for the most part, live up to the ideals that Christ presented to his followers. As a Unitarian lesbian I've been on the receiving end of that far more times than I'd like. I didn't abandon Christianity solely because my beliefs don't fit with it, but because I got fed up of all the fundamentalists and their outspoken beliefs that were in disagreement with the original principles. It makes me quite sad, actually.

--Trialia ([info]trinity1986, can't login right now because a friend is modifying my layout!)

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[info]mcity
2006-07-22 02:30 am UTC (link)
I just like how people tend to use that to claim that one shouldn't judge anyone, ever.

And yes, the twisting annoys me.

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[info]aislyn
2006-07-21 03:02 pm UTC (link)
"Religion is a power tool" so needs to be iconned with a picture of, oh I don't know, a rotor saw perhaps.

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[info]willywanka
2006-07-21 04:14 pm UTC (link)
I imagine a sharpened Star of David would cut through wood pretty well, and cross could double as a ruler and/or level measure.

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Icon love - [info]gobsmacked, 2006-07-21 08:39 pm UTC
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[info]phosfate
2006-07-21 06:05 pm UTC (link)
With Tim Allen! In a Pope hat!

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(Anonymous)
2006-07-22 12:10 am UTC (link)
Image

Voila! :D

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[info]queencallipygos
2006-07-21 03:17 pm UTC (link)
Apart from allegedly making some small donations to a Trotskyite party, what exactly did Lennon do to become a champion of peace? What
practical steps did he take to make the world a better place? Run for office? Give away the profits from the song? Organise protest marches?


(sound of Queencallipygos looking at photos of the Bed-in, John and Yoko marching through NYC to protest Vietnam, the "War Is Over if you want it" billboard, and records of them donating proceeds of their songs to various places)

Um...yes, actually.

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[info]hallidae
2006-07-21 04:06 pm UTC (link)
Ooh, don't forget the concerts, although 'John Sinclair' wasn't all that good of a song.

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[info]gobsmacked
2006-07-21 08:44 pm UTC (link)
Well, he met with the Prime Minister of Canada, and tried to meet with other world leaders to ask them to promote peace. Also, I remember that on the anniversary of his death someone wrote about John showing up at some radio or tv fundraisers for the peace movement and talking himself hoarse answering phones, broadcasting the weather, etc.
My cop friends would also like to note: He also was a great supporter of the NYPD - who are responsible for keeping the streets peaceful. He and Yoko have bought many many bullet-proof vests for New York's finest.

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[info]dramedy
2006-07-21 03:46 pm UTC (link)
All this wank does is turn on the mp3 player in my brain, and switch it to Imagine on repeat. :< get it ooout.

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[info]hellespont
2006-07-21 05:37 pm UTC (link)
My computer's resolution is not great, and I had to lean close to my screen and squint in order to ascertain that your icon did not, in fact, say "Alan Fuckman is hot."

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(no subject) - [info]guilty_as_sin, 2006-07-22 12:10 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2006-07-21 04:04 pm UTC (link)
I never liked that song anyway. So naive, so smarmy, so pretentious.

calieber@LJ

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[info]lurker32
2006-07-21 04:10 pm UTC (link)
And so repetitive. Bleh.

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[info]made_by_kali
2006-07-21 04:19 pm UTC (link)
Me too.

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[info]hellespont
2006-07-21 05:33 pm UTC (link)
My high school history class' clique of budding young Communists played Imagine as part of their presentation to the class one day. They had us all join hands and sway along to the music. Still didn't top the time the history teacher organized a coup to overthrow the student government.

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[info]freezer
2006-07-21 06:03 pm UTC (link)
How about banning the song because it's it a cliched ball of hippy-dippy pretentiousness?

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[info]semiotics
2006-07-21 09:03 pm UTC (link)
Amusing timing on the part of the wank -- before I saw Strangers With Candy yesterday there was a trailer for The US vs. John Lennon.

(Which looks like an interesting conspiracy theory film, although I'm speaking as someone who knows nothing about John Lennon or anything involved.)

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(Anonymous)
2006-07-21 10:35 pm UTC (link)
http://community.livejournal.com/booju_mooju/500455.html

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(Anonymous)
2006-07-22 04:42 am UTC (link)
Oh great, more idiots who think you have to be the next fucking Gandhi to even MENTION peace, or that you have to live in a cardboard box to bitch about wages.

'Cause, like, there are SOOO these people in Africa, and they rape each other a lot, and don't have running water and kitties! So I like, really, REEEALLY shouldn't complain! 'Cause I have a kitty!!!

-KP, who apparently has no right to bitch about his lack of health insurance

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[info]utahraptor
2006-07-22 06:27 am UTC (link)
Reminds me an amusing thread in reptureready forums about 'Imagine' being the most fitting song for the Antichrist, because it promotes the evils of equality, tolerance and secularism.

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[info]aerobot
2006-07-22 07:23 am UTC (link)
we DO NOT need religion (anymore!) it sucks, it's a power tool, can it be more evident than what's going on in the US right now?

Y'know what else is a tool of power? Money. Language. Patriotism. Yet I doubt anyone will say that we don't need those or that we're better off without them.

It just annoys the hell out of me. You can bitch and whine about religion all you want, but it's not going to go away. Deal with it.

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[info]catslash
2006-07-23 08:46 pm UTC (link)
My mother's graduating class was not allowed to sing it as their senior song, but that's just because all the boys went crazy yodeling on "You-HOO-oo-oo-oo."

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(Anonymous)
2006-07-24 03:41 am UTC (link)
we DO NOT need religion (anymore!) it sucks, it's a power tool

I don't know, I need power tools quite frequently. I'll have to check out Jesus next time I need to assemble a desk.

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