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	hallidae 2006-07-27 08:38 pm UTC (link)
	::facepalm:: Just because art can make a social or political point, that doesn't mean making a social or political point means you're making art. The OP is not art, in even the vaguest sense of the term. It's just a semi-well done rant. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	threegoldfish 2006-07-27 08:42 pm UTC (link)
	The OP is also constantly posting poetry and other drivel to the comm. An artform, yes, but totally not the appropriate forum. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

hallidae
2006-07-27 08:47 pm UTC (link)

Poetry I could get behind, since some schools of thought consider it a mesh of art and literature, as long as it doesn't suck. If most of the OP's posts are as completely out of place and ego-stroking as this one is, though, and he (she?) is ranting about it being art, yeah, an asskicking is in order.

Also, the bitching about art schools pisses me off. Yes, the concept of having assignment perameters can stifle creativity, and more schools are focusing on getting you a market doing art than on just doing art itself, but as they say, you gotta know the rules before you can bend them and break them and you gotta learn the techniques before you can twist them, something the OP obviously never bothered to learn.

[/artstudentwankery]

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threegoldfish
2006-07-27 08:51 pm UTC (link)

Have you seen this thread Oooh, such a rebel. Now I'm almost wishing I had waited to post this because I really want to wade in.

And I completely agree with you. My minor was studio art. I *craved* a professor that would teach technique and do actual critiques so that I could improve without fumbling and wasting supplies. Why reinvent the wheel? But most of them were all about A for Effort! and never actually gave me anything solid to work with. Maybe if I had been a major things would have been different.

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hallidae
2006-07-27 09:00 pm UTC (link)

Illustration major at my previous school, going for my BFA with a concentration in Drawing here. All of my professors put me through the paces, 'cause they were all professional artists in their specific field, and critiques sucked then and still suck now. There was one guy who'd go through your sketchbook and mark everything he didn't like in red fucking pen, and one lady who, if she didn't like your painting for whatever reason, would x-acto the canvas and tell you to do it over, without slacking off on your next assignment.

And I still curl up in a ball and cry at the memory of my Beginner Figure professor who has a minor in anthropology and made us do thirty pages each of different body parts with skeletal overlays for every page, and that was outside of our actual class projects. But by God, I can draw fantastic bones now.

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	amyheartssiroc 2006-07-27 09:22 pm UTC (link)
	That's horrible. The thought of someone destroying something I worked hard on just because they don't happen to like it causes me physical pain. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	hallidae 2006-07-27 09:36 pm UTC (link)
	I wanted to kill them in their sleep (the woman in particular), but I will admit that of knowing I'd be facing that sort of crit made me work harder to learn whatever specific technique I was supposed to have been displaying in the piece. (Reply to this)(Parent)

mcity
2006-07-28 01:02 am UTC (link)

and one lady who, if she didn't like your painting for whatever reason, would x-acto the canvas

I've heard of teachers like that. Only it was black paint.

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	hallidae 2006-07-28 01:09 am UTC (link)
	I wish. At least with black paint, you could paint over it. X-acto, you gotta go buy a replacement canvas. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	threegoldfish 2006-07-28 01:26 am UTC (link)
	Holy shit. That woman would have been on her ass so fast teh first time she did that to me she wouldn't have known what hit her. I think I'm glad I stuck with chemistry now. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	hickorydickory 2006-07-28 04:16 am UTC (link)
	There was one guy who'd go through your sketchbook and mark everything he didn't like in red fucking pen Didn't Da Vinci do that to his students' paintings? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	mcity 2006-07-28 01:01 am UTC (link)
	I switched majors entirely partially because I couldn't take the nebulous goals and instruction. (Reply to this)(Parent)

rosehiptea
2006-07-27 09:23 pm UTC (link)

Can't some people on LJ have some freaking common sense? Yes, it's art, because everything is art, and Art Cannot be Bound *cue dramatic music* but sometimes people like to see a community do what it's set up to do, instead of having people constantly drop by to show what amazing rebels they are for not believing Fox News.

*mops up after self* *is not even a member of said community*

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missdaisy
2006-07-27 09:45 pm UTC (link)

I must admit that I didn't want people to even read the whole thing. I wanted them to react to its existence, and the ideas they percieved were there, rather than the actual messages of the text. The whole thing - this essay, and all the reaction to it - is what I see as the true work of art. I wanted to create a performance piece that would involve it's medium without their knowledge, for if they knew what was truly going on, it would affect the true reality of the piece as a whole :)

Well, it looks like he's perfected the art of backpedaling.

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	hallidae 2006-07-27 09:51 pm UTC (link)
	Would this be the Art Wanker's version of "it was all a social experiment"? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	dracothelizard 2006-07-27 10:01 pm UTC (link)
	I'm thinking YES. Especially since it's way more pretentious than the usual 'it was all a social experiment' drivel. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2006-07-27 10:02 pm UTC (link)
	That, or "I'm a troll trying to hide behind 'art'." --Gourry (Reply to this)(Parent)

	mcity 2006-07-28 01:03 am UTC (link)
	Hard enough to leave skidmarks. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	hickorydickory 2006-07-28 04:17 am UTC (link)
	Pure gold! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sashenka 2006-07-28 07:38 am UTC (link)
	After reading that, I had to go check and see if he was a student at the school I just transfered out of. He was not. Also he's 28. I expect this shit from 19 year old art students, but seiously? This is just sad... (Reply to this)(Parent)

	scootermcgaffin 2006-07-27 10:34 pm UTC (link)
	God, I used to know a guy like that. It's seriously annoying. (Reply to this)

	aqua_blurr 2006-07-27 10:36 pm UTC (link)
	Pssssh, art my ass. Performance piece my ass. He posted the same thing in 100stories, too. Where it's being ignored. :( (Reply to this)(Thread)

	ladyrogue 2006-07-27 10:50 pm UTC (link)
	Wait... 100stories? How is that a... No, I'm not even going to ask. Either he's a troll or just really dumb. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	harrylovesron 2006-07-27 11:57 pm UTC (link)
	I'm going to say "troll". Of course, whenever you think "nobody could possibly be THAT dumb", they are... (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	issendai 2006-07-28 03:12 am UTC (link)
	Troll. Clever troll, gets an "A" for effort, introduces several new versions of "I was just trolling for a reaction" into the trollsphere, but troll. (Watch him turn out to be the real thing. The real, lukewarm-IQ thing.) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ladyrogue 2006-07-27 10:49 pm UTC (link)
	sweatdrop Politics =/= art. Want to talk about politics? Join a political comm. Where oh where did the earth logic go?! (Reply to this)

	guilty_as_sin 2006-07-28 01:50 am UTC (link)
	rabid_bunnys posts: "My words are ART!" artists says, "Just shut the fuck up." (Reply to this)(Thread)

	honorh 2006-07-28 06:03 am UTC (link)
	Y'know, if I'd just read that summary before heading over to the wank, I could've saved myself a headache brought on by pseudo-intellectual posturing. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	guilty_as_sin 2006-07-28 12:09 pm UTC (link)
	Me, too. takes more Aleve (Reply to this)(Parent)

	honorh 2006-07-28 03:39 am UTC (link)
	I started reading the responses and began to have flashbacks to the worst days of college Lit Crit. That made my head hurt. Then I started hallucinating that I was slapping rabid_bunny and everywordmeans repeatedly across the face. That made me happy. Then I started giggling madly. (Reply to this)

	hickorydickory 2006-07-28 04:18 am UTC (link)
	And they can kick me out all htey want, I will find ways back in, art cannot be bound. People like this seriously make me consider not attending Art School. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	hallidae 2006-07-28 05:57 am UTC (link)
	But then you'd be doing what he wants, since all art schools are evil, evil soul and creativity sucking government prisons. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	hickorydickory 2006-07-28 03:51 pm UTC (link)
	But unlike him, I'll actually have a job. Okay, I probably still won't. But that's beside the point. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	elemcee 2006-07-28 10:09 am UTC (link)
	Woooo, that's some pretension, right there. (Reply to this)

	sunhawk 2006-07-28 01:14 pm UTC (link)
	Man i just spent four years in art hoping people like the OP would just spontaenously catch fire in the middle of babbling on like that ugh. (Reply to this)

(Anonymous)
2006-07-29 12:05 am UTC (link)

It's also been crossposted to

badwriters on LJ. He's a regular poster in that comm, and frankly, he lives up to the community's name. I added to the wank on that one by calling him on his thinly-veiled anti-Semitism. He's a regular poster in that comm, and frankly, he lives up to the community's name.

I find it sad that the wank on

artists was about every aspect of the post but that one.

--The Clichemoth

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	(Anonymous) 2006-07-29 12:07 am UTC (link)
	Sorry for the C&P errors. Ignore the second instance of "He's a regular poster..." Heck, I'm on Vicodin, don't expect clarity right now. --The Clichemoth(and my leg still freaking hurts) (Reply to this)(Parent)