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Jenn ([info]wankaholic) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2006-08-10 23:55:00


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Taken from a mouse on [info]wank_report (come forward, oh mouse, and give yourself a name!).

[info]batgirl20 makes a post about her landlord. In it, she describes her frustration with him—not informing her when work is going to be done on the house, despite it being outlined in her lease, and the like. [info]lovecrafty takes issue with this, and trolls her journal, but not before posting on [info]anti_feminism! The first half of the post is standard, mocking a weird post to [info]feminist_rage. The second half of the post? You guessed it—dedicated to calling out [info]batgirl20 for being racist/classist.

From the first comment, the wank begins.

[info]david_deacon:
Your second point, about [info]batgirl20, is, of course, your usual fingerpointing, judgmental hysteria about people being classist and racist everywhere. No, Ken, the world is sadly not as full of closet racists for you to pick on as you obviously think it is. It was clear from [info]batgirl20's original post that there was no racism or classism going on, only some legitimate fear about female tenants having their privacy invaded by workmen. Her original post contained nothing remotely classist or racist. (Other readers of this post can easily read that for themselves: no mention of race a'tall. Sorry)

Unless, of course, you typed that tongue-in-cheek and were just kidding. . . .


Reply from [info]lovecrafty:
Your opinion on racism is not valid in my eyes David, because you yourself are a racist and refuse to acknowledge it. So really, all your comment serves is to once agin show your complete defensiveness at the very idea that somewhere someone (who isn't a minority) might be racist. And why are you so defensive? Because you are a racist.

(Goodness, [info]lovecrafty, what did basic syntax ever do to you?)

It only gets better as the comments progress, most notably with [info]bull stepping in to argue that [info]batgirl20's landlord is entirely within his right to enter her apartment without notice, despite what the lease says. Discussion is mostly-civil, with [info]lovecrafty stepping into wank downthread, till [info]peachthief shows up to voice her two cents.

Finally, we have the crowning moment of wank: [info]misplacedmind calls [info]lovecrafty out for 'being a serious asshole' in [info]batgirl20's journal. This, however, isn't what brings the wank. Instead, there's sidewank as [info]hexennatch enters the thread, and is immediately accused of stalking [info]lovecrafty. Apparently, all [info]lovecrafty knows how to say is "die painfully."

In the meantime, [info]batgirl20 posts an apology to [info]feminist_rage, for possibly coming across as being classist/racist (despite the fact that her original post mentions nothing of race).

A quick summary? [info]lovecrafty is insane, the rest is TL;DR.

Whew. Please inform me if this is too long, and I'll place it behind a cut.


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[info]xturtle
2006-08-11 05:59 am UTC (link)
You html is a bit borked, so it's hard to tell about the tl;dr.
(go ahead and delete this if you've already sorted that out)

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[info]wankaholic
2006-08-11 06:02 am UTC (link)
Was actually sorting it out as you posted, but thanks for warning me regardless. :)

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[info]itsirtou
2006-08-11 06:31 pm UTC (link)
THAT TURTLE IS SO TINY.

Its cuteness cannot described in words!

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(no subject) - [info]xturtle, 2006-08-11 06:36 pm UTC

[info]khym_chanur
2006-08-11 06:18 am UTC (link)
What does the story about a stupid and/or incompetent landlord have to do with feminism?

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(no subject) - [info]ladyrogue, 2006-08-11 07:24 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-08-11 07:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]life_on_mars, 2006-08-11 10:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bronzed, 2006-08-11 02:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-08-11 08:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]annabelle_lee, 2006-08-12 09:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladyrogue, 2006-08-11 09:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-08-11 10:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]selene_avis, 2006-08-11 05:03 pm UTC

[info]zealot
2006-08-11 06:39 am UTC (link)
Aw, I hope lovecrafty and hexennacht end up together. They are just too adorable.

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[info]selene_avis
2006-08-11 06:57 am UTC (link)
The irony of lovecrafty calling someone racist is that he's the same asshole I got into debate with not to long ago with him arguing the opposite position. *sigh*

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[info]jenny_atrox
2006-08-11 07:10 am UTC (link)
The epic battle waged between hexennacht and lovecrafty is terrifying and hilarious . Truely delicious!

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[info]chikane
2006-08-11 08:32 am UTC (link)
1)a guy with lovecraft in his name arguing against racism *giggle*

2)What wacko laws do these guys believe to exist? Of course a landlord can't just enter a house like that. At least over here. It can cause trouble with pets, can cause half a million privacy issues, and can also be dangerous. How do you know the guy in your house is a worker to begin with? What if he isn't?

3)I also love how lovecrafty assumes batgirl20 is afraid of the workers being "hispanic" despite her never saying so. But it somehow is obvious. Despite her never saying it. Way to go to completely miss the point.

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(no subject) - [info]sheep, 2006-08-11 10:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kadath, 2006-08-11 12:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]selene_avis, 2006-08-11 05:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-08-11 06:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chikane, 2006-08-11 09:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]selene_avis, 2006-08-12 01:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]hallidae, 2006-08-12 02:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladyvorkosigan, 2006-08-11 05:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sashenka, 2006-08-11 07:27 pm UTC

[info]ayezur
2006-08-11 10:19 am UTC (link)
Lovecrafty once told me I was pathetic and had his pit because the fear of rape was obviously such an overwhelming force in my life, yadda yadda, all because I had said I would rather die than be raped. Which is true, and really, who the fucks gives him the right to play Internet Counselor? My issues. You no touchy.

So Lovecrafty can blow it out his ass, as far as I'm concerned.

/bitter

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-08-12 11:23 pm UTC
OT, sort of
[info]polemic
2006-08-11 01:51 pm UTC (link)
My impatience with anti_feminism knows no bounds.

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[info]bronzed
2006-08-11 02:01 pm UTC (link)
So lovecrafty said this:
"That's another indication that they were not-white. White contractors would have talked to the people whose home they were working in."

But everyone else are the racists?
RIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT!

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[info]gloria_mundi
2006-08-11 03:24 pm UTC (link)
Hell, I'm white and male and I'd freak in that situation. I don't like surprises like that.

A phone call of "Workers will be by at so and so time to do some work. FYI" would be sufficent, minimum

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[info]bluemouse
2006-08-11 04:58 pm UTC (link)
Lovecrafty: The majority of the workers were Hispanic. It wasn't mentioned in the OP, but if you knwo the mindset you're dealing with, then its pretty obvious. Also, she didn't mention any interactions between herself and the workers. That's another indication that they were not-white.

I'm trying like hell to understand this. So... Lovecrafty's evidence for the OPer being a racist is... okay, no. I don't get it.

The OPer didn't mention race. So she must be a racist.
The OPer didn't mention interactions with the workers. So they must not have happened.

Sort of a logical double-standard.

Why am I even trying to figure this out? It hurts me.

I wish the OPer hadn't apologized.

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(no subject) - [info]selene_avis, 2006-08-11 05:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bluemouse, 2006-08-11 06:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-08-11 07:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-08-13 08:12 am UTC

[info]ladyvorkosigan
2006-08-11 05:18 pm UTC (link)
I know she was joking, but I have to say Batgirl's comment in the original post about her and her roommate being "fairly attractive" rubbed me the wrong way, although it's nice to apologize for it.

Also, I don't necessarily see racism or classism from her (actually, that's not true: I do see the potential for it, but I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt), but I do see it in this post from [info]eruditeboredome who, in addition to having a stupid user name, seems completely obtuse as to why this might be considered offensive:

I *hate* that I'm a "pretty white girl". I happen to be very uncomfortable in "questionable" neighborhoods full of "foreign guys", if for no reason other than they stare at me and speak to each other, while staring at me, in a language I don't understand. If I knew what they were saying, I'd be just fine.

But then, I'm just a non-pretty white girl, so I guess what do I know, eh?

Also, I should apologize because as usual I managed to make myself look like an idiot by posting an unthought out comment on anti_feminist (and then retreated rather than actually dealing with making myself not sound stupid).

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(no subject) - [info]ladyvorkosigan, 2006-08-11 05:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]selene_avis, 2006-08-11 06:36 pm UTC

[info]itsirtou
2006-08-11 06:28 pm UTC (link)
I...I don't get it. I really think that's all I can say about this wank. I don't get it. I don't get the alleged classism, I don't get where lovecrafty is coming from, I just don't get it.

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I'm popping up everywhere...
(Anonymous)
2006-08-11 06:49 pm UTC (link)
hi! I apparantly can't log-in, but this is BaTGiRL20, piping in...

I certainly never expected this to be so damned controversial. I was annoyed at first but it's sort of fun now (especially seeing how many people see what an ass-troll lovecrafty is - whether they believe I'm an idiot to boot or not)

it's not even that big of a deal - the original post was certainly not my proudest moment of feminist rage, it was not indicative of my feelings as a whole - it was a single night that I was pissed and needed to rage, which is what the community is about. not every post is a lecture or a call to arms.

FYI if anyone cares:
-the rage was, indeed, about a male landlord taking advantage of a couple of girls because he thinks we don't notice or that it's no big deal. it's about gender privilege and female safety, and honestly, not the best/most interesting post in the fem_rage comm.
-it was not about race - lovecrafty brought that up with me with the whole "bratty white girl" thing...my response wasn't really about reverse-racism either - my point is that it doesn't matter whether I'm white or not - I don't fear for my safety any more or less depending on my or anyone's skin color - the workers in question were not even all Hispanic. the man breaking into my kitchen window one morning in the rain was white, and he is actually the one that unnerved me the most - because he was breaking into my house.
-yes the landlord comes in all the time without notice - not cool, although sometimes understandable because there is still work to be done - but he also allows those workers to come into our home to plug in their extension cords to use the electricity we pay for to work on the house he owns next door
-the credit card thing only sounds ridiculous when lovecrafty tells the story he doesn't know. I'm pretty sure I didn't offer many details and so there's really nothing for him to base his tale on. whatev.

so yeah...this is fun. the internet turns everyone into a bunch of wanks, really.

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Re: I'm popping up everywhere... - (Anonymous), 2006-08-11 07:04 pm UTC
Re: I'm popping up everywhere... - [info]polemic, 2006-08-11 07:40 pm UTC
Re: I'm popping up everywhere... - (Anonymous), 2006-08-11 09:45 pm UTC

[info]sashenka
2006-08-11 07:31 pm UTC (link)
Lulz at lovecrafty's lack of understanding a lease. Lease = legal contract = if tenant follows cotract and pays rent, landlord must follow contract.

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repost! to fix something something
[info]gal_montag
2006-08-12 12:15 am UTC (link)
[info]lovecrafty is pretty much right about [info]david_deacon, however, maybe he needs to point the finger back at himself, since the OP never mentions the race of the workmen and isn't unreasonable to not want people walking into her house without notice, especially since it's illegal for the landlord to do that and she has grounds to break the lease now if she wants to.

[info]batgirl20 has nothing to apologize for.

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[info]innsmouth_eyes
2006-08-12 12:22 am UTC (link)
Lovecrafty, you do not deserve the privelage of that username. I'm going to have to ask for you to hand it over and make sure your desk is cleaned out by the end of the day.

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[info]rosehiptea
2006-08-12 02:45 am UTC (link)
I love it when people decry classism and then refer to other people as "white-trash." Way to go.

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[info]themercymachine
2006-08-12 09:58 pm UTC (link)
I loved the implication by one of the posters that appearence has something to do with getting raped or sexually harrased (much less is all a part of "beauty priviledge"). Incredibley hypocritical catty sexism right there.

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[info]mcity
2006-08-13 09:31 pm UTC (link)
You forgot to mention njyoder's participation.

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[info]aristaea
2006-08-14 12:18 pm UTC (link)
Sometimes I think [info]lovecrafty gets bored and jumps in with controversial opinions (which may or may not be his own) just for the sake of arguing.

Which I am fully in favour of because usually everyone takes the topics waaaaay too seriously and it is hilarious.

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[info]ara
2006-08-18 01:48 pm UTC (link)
Coming in late but, uh, this guy accuses her of being classist and racist, though isn't a statement such as accusing the OP of having "Poor Widdle Middle Class White Girl syndrome" classist, racist, and sexist all in one shot?

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re:lovecrafty
sceach
2006-08-20 04:21 am UTC (link)
Wow. From apathy to hatred in 0.02. A personal best.

Damn him for liking Lovecraft. I feel dirty.

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