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bluffin' with my muffin ([info]ichigatsu) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2006-08-26 09:43:00


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Current mood:Gobsmacked

bitch, stay off the internet and get back in the kitchen
This started a few days ago, but it's still going on strong.

Forbes.com features an article by Michael Noer entitled "Don't Marry Career Women". If the title doesn't give you enough clues, the article basically says that "If a host of studies are to be believed, marrying these women is asking for trouble. If they quit their jobs and stay home with the kids, they will be unhappy (Journal of Marriage and Family, 2003). They will be unhappy if they make more money than you do (Social Forces, 2006). You will be unhappy if they make more money than you do (Journal of Marriage and Family, 2001). You will be more likely to fall ill (American Journal of Sociology). Even your house will be
dirtier (Institute for Social Research).
"

However, the wank doesn't really kick in until we get to the readers' responses. Someone's parody of the article turns into an attack on feminism. Men declare freedom from misandry and unplug themselves from the Feminatrix. None of this matters anyway, because "it is the men who have given you all the freedom or power or whatever it is that you think you have. And it is the men who can take it back from you if they want to." American men, let's stop putting up with American women. And threads upon threads that make me lose my faith in humanity just a little bit more, but slightly glad that this article has probably put the spotlight on people that no one, regardless of career aspirations, would want to marry anyway.

Me, I'm just glad that I'm all but restricted to dating doctors.




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[info]seraphtrevs
2006-08-26 02:02 am UTC (link)
If they quit their jobs and stay home with the kids, they will be unhappy

Soooooo basically, no matter what, women will be unhappy being married UNLESS they're kept in a self-contained bubble from birth so they will never know the wonders of a life outside the kitchen, although I'm pretty sure that would make them pretty fucking miserable too. And if she does decide to stay a "career girl," the marriage will break up anyway. So then basically, if a woman gets married, she's going to be miserable and it won't work out. A-fucking-plus, guys. I'm getting married in two months - I don't need to being hearing this shit. : (

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[info]selene_avis
2006-08-26 02:28 am UTC (link)
The article is seriously fucked up. Career women are more likely divorce? Sure! But that's because they aren't completely financially dependent upon their husbands. So the fact that he's arguing that men shouldn't marry career women? Is just a wee bit disturbing.

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[info]gal_montag
2006-08-26 02:29 am UTC (link)
It's a funny thing, an atricle gets published in a paper or a magazine, and the article is completely full of paranoid, delusional crap and like, a milliion people pop up and say, OMG! YEAH! And start jerking their e-peens to make up for the fact that they don't have the testicles to voice those opinions aloud which is really a shame. Because it would make it so much easier to avoid the douche bags.

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[info]emiweebee
2006-08-26 02:33 am UTC (link)
See, this is just making me laugh, because apparently the publishers were scared a year or so ago because, after running a story on Russian mafia, they were afraid of reprecussions.

Yes, Steve Forbes. The Russians are coming to get you.

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(no subject) - iwanttobeasleep, 2006-08-26 02:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]emiweebee, 2006-08-26 02:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]edana_ni_emer, 2006-08-27 04:13 pm UTC
*Gets out her chainsaw*
[info]kijikun
2006-08-26 02:35 am UTC (link)
I can't keep reading some of what those men have posted. The RAGE is growing to the point I'd like to BREAK something.

Over their heads.

The whole thread about foregin women? Disgusting.

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Re: *Gets out her chainsaw* - [info]polemic, 2006-08-26 03:03 am UTC
Re: *Gets out her chainsaw* - [info]smo, 2006-08-26 03:32 am UTC
Re: *Gets out her chainsaw* - [info]kijikun, 2006-08-26 03:41 am UTC
Re: *Gets out her chainsaw* - [info]smo, 2006-08-26 03:42 am UTC
Re: *Gets out her chainsaw* - [info]ryuutchi, 2006-08-26 05:26 am UTC
Re: *Gets out her chainsaw* - [info]penguinfaery, 2006-08-26 05:44 am UTC
Re: *Gets out her chainsaw* - (Anonymous), 2006-08-26 07:15 am UTC
Re: *Gets out her chainsaw* - [info]aerobot, 2006-08-26 03:00 pm UTC
Re: *Gets out her chainsaw* - (Anonymous), 2006-08-27 01:06 am UTC
starts sawing down with you - [info]ichigatsu, 2006-08-26 03:46 am UTC
Re: starts sawing down with you - [info]number13baby, 2006-08-26 06:55 am UTC
Re: starts sawing down with you - [info]token_girl, 2006-08-26 05:36 pm UTC
Re: starts sawing down with you - [info]number13baby, 2006-08-26 11:32 pm UTC
Re: *Gets out her chainsaw* - (Anonymous), 2006-08-28 12:05 am UTC

[info]delcj
2006-08-26 02:48 am UTC (link)
what's currently annoying me most about the Noer article is that he does not properly cite the specific journal articles he's crowing about. this is making me want to bludgeon him repeatedly with said journals. i know Forbes is not a scholarly publication, but it sort of makes me suspect he doesn't want people to find the actual studies and actually read them for ourselves.

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[info]kalika_maxwell
2006-08-26 02:51 am UTC (link)
I understand these poor men. After all, if they can't financially enslaved a woman, how are they ever going to keep her? They have nothing else going for them but their paycheck!

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-26 02:59 am UTC (link)
Statistics are fun, but has nobody figured out yet that all this 'most men' and 'most women' stuff turns out to be completely meaningless in the context of an actual relationship? You can't make assumptions about a member of a population from statistics. It doesn't work that way. It doesn't matter if statistics say women with X attribute do Y hours less housework than the average or are Z percent more likely to be unhappy in their marriages, the only way you're ever going to know is to hash it out with the actual woman in question. And that's in either direction--you can't assume from some study that marrying a career woman is *good*, either. You're not marrying 'a career woman', you're marrying a particular woman who may have a career!

How on earth does this sort of thing make it onto Forbes? Didn't they used to be a respected business publication?

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[info]hellespont
2006-08-26 03:10 am UTC (link)
Absolutely true. Unmarried American woman have an "ewww" stygma, let alone a single career woman who are the amongst the loneliest world business travelers to this day. Blame it on attitude and largely media. Lovely and single Carmen in Costa Rica or Chile looks at Desperate Housewives with mouth agape along with her family.

Lovely and single Carmen is probably just drooling over Marcia Cross, you asshat, so kindly run outside and play hide-and-go-fuck-yourself.

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[info]vigilanterodent
2006-08-26 03:23 am UTC (link)
I'm mildly distressed by the men in that thread about "taking power back". Beyond the fact that they make my inner anthropologist twitch, I am slightly skeeved by the talk about being "tired of being understanding" with the subtle hints of FEEL THE WRATH OF KHAN COCK!

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D:
[info]judyhazeleyes
2006-08-26 03:34 am UTC (link)
I think they broke my point and laugh.

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[info]wankaholic
2006-08-26 03:52 am UTC (link)
Fuck them all. After doing temp work in a vegetable-packing plant yesterday, there is no fucking way I'm going to drop out of uni.

Having to do that for the rest of my life, and still being dependent on my husband? No.

Fuck Michael Noer (or, actually, don't). I'm still going into Engineering.

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[info]gweniveeve
2006-08-26 04:32 am UTC (link)
As prehistoric or fascist as this view might sound, it is the true fact of life.

Tell me about it, Mr. "I'm 24 and educated and I've had girlfriends since I was 13 yada yada I have a small penis)." Clearly your MBA hasn't taught you to argue in a way that won't make your opponents laugh.

(Anytime you start out a sentence like that, the chances I'm going to take you seriously drop enormously.)

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[info]azawakh
2006-08-26 04:39 am UTC (link)
I like how they have to, without fail, defend themselves against the claim that they'll never get any.

O YEAH WELL I GOT DEGREES FROM 5 IVY LEAGUE SKOOLS N I GET MORE @$$ THAN A TOILET SEAT N I HAVE A HAWT G/F who totally isnt an Ann Coulter blowup doll WHO HAS A DEGREE 2 N I RESPECT BY LETTING HER EAT AN EXTRA BIG SALAD EVRY NITE SO STFU IM JUST STATIN THE FACTS U FEMNAZIS DONT PISS ME OFF OR ILL GO TO DC N REVOKE UR SUFFERAGE RITE FREAKIN NOW

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[info]miss_padfoot
2006-08-26 05:03 am UTC (link)
I can't even bring myself to read those responses. I saw the article earlier, and it was kind of funny, but I don't think I'd be able to laugh because of the rage.

However, I think I know what kind of Flame Warriors these guys are.

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[info]taktuk
2006-08-26 05:05 am UTC (link)
Wondering when this would get here. I was about ready to mention this on wank_report, but then the net went down.

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ealusaid
2006-08-26 05:36 am UTC (link)
*snicker* My co-worker often regales me with tales of her stupid roomate (her stupid boyfriend's best friend). He'll pull shit like put a bowl of food on the counter, leave it there for four days, then walk by the bowl of mould, look pointedly at her, and say, "It's about time someone should clean that up."

And he wonders why he's a virgin.

And they both think I'm a bitch for encouraging her to get a bachelor apartment, go back to school, and support herself. Ahaha.

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(no subject) - [info]number13baby, 2006-08-26 07:03 am UTC
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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-08-27 11:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dez_chan, 2006-08-26 04:15 pm UTC
*cries*
[info]aerobot
2006-08-26 06:41 am UTC (link)
I think you all are so upset becasue someone let the cat out of the bag about you. About what you really think and feel. Maybe not all of you, but a majority of you.

YES. Because if a career women is offended about the idea that she's unmarriable, then she's a stupid feminist harpy who thinks that women can control men and do whatever they want.

IT'S FUCKING INSANE. All the reviews are full of this shit - if a woman disagrees, then she's slandered as being a fat, ugly, hateful, bitchy, evil feminist. Not to mention the men who think all women are wallet-stealing heartbreakers, and the women who think feminists are uppity bitches. What the fucking hell? Did I accidentally websurf back into some anti-verse? I ... I need to lie down. I just can't read any more.

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Re: *cries* - [info]skewed_tartan, 2006-08-27 02:03 am UTC
Re: *cries* - [info]aerobot, 2006-08-27 03:06 am UTC

[info]chikane
2006-08-26 06:54 am UTC (link)
...pretty happy not to have to look for a guy.
We in germany pretty much have the same problem. Nothing drives men away faster than a degree, statistically. ANd the moment I dare to mention that anywhere, I'm an evil feminazi bitch.

I mean, seriously, his statistics - lol. "Your house will be dirtier". Hmm. How about getting off your lazy butt and cleaning too? Hmm? Oh no, poor men, having to do chores too!

Yes, statistically, men are more unhappy. That's because a lot of them are so damn insecure that they can't handle people who're even - at least in some countries(oddly enough, scandinavian countries are better in that regard. Different men? More likely just different politics). Still the old "men marry down, women marry up" deal.

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[info]number13baby
2006-08-26 07:11 am UTC (link)
That? Is one of the many, many reasons why I'm a feminist. I'm going to bookmark this piece of drivel produced by a pathetic, insecure loser with a tiny, shriveled weenie, so that next time someone tells me that feminism has won and there's no reason to be so "strident" or "angry" anymore, I could just point to this and not engage in any more head-meets-brick-wall debates.

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(no subject) - [info]aerobot, 2006-08-26 07:36 am UTC
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[info]avari
2006-08-26 08:04 am UTC (link)
Most of the comments are pretty revolting.

"it is the men who have given you all the freedom or power or whatever it is that you think you have. And it is the men who can take it back from you if they want to."

Ten bucks that on other forums he's telling exactly the same about African Americans, and how they'd better be grateful to White Men for treating them (more or less) like human beings.

Also, the thread about the foreign women makes me want to shoot something:

many of the Hispanic and European girls I know secretly make fun of American women who date African-American guys.

Probably because you only rub elbows with racist idiots like you.

foreign women actually despise American women

Speaking as a foreign woman? I don't particularly like or dislike general human categories. I reserve my love and disdain for individuals. You, dear American man, I heartily despise. No wonder no American woman wants you.

Those men so quick to bash their fellow female citizens probably have something wrong with them.

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[info]sepiamagpie
2006-08-26 08:55 am UTC (link)
!!


Is your icon phantom planet?

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(no subject) - [info]ichigatsu, 2006-08-26 03:15 pm UTC
(no subject) - sceach, 2006-09-04 08:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2006-09-04 11:16 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2006-08-26 09:30 am UTC (link)
*chokes*

The... What...? And here I was thinking that my intelligence and competence was one of the things that made me attractive. But no, apparently because I can't cook for shit and am less than enthusiastic about housework I am an unmarriable shrew.

And my long-term partner? Obviously, he's not really a man. That penis? Made of plasticine. Real men wouldn't prefer to be the stay-at-home ones.

Jesus. Have these men ever been in a relationship, like ever? If you're feeling threatened by your partner's success or their paycheck, you talk about it. And then you realise there's absolutely no reason to be insecure because they shouldn't think any less of you.

-no_utopia @ LJ, sick to the backteeth of gender roles

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[info]wrazn
2006-08-26 10:21 am UTC (link)
I'm just glad that I'm all but restricted to dating doctors.

Oh, woe. By the OP et al's logic, I have no one to date, for I will be a doctor in the not too far future, and just so happen to be a woman. (Mind you, I'm not an American woman, so maybe the OP's logic won't hold.)

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(no subject) - [info]aerobot, 2006-08-26 10:54 am UTC
OH NOES. - [info]kadath, 2006-08-26 01:12 pm UTC
Re: OH NOES. - [info]randomsome1, 2006-08-26 01:28 pm UTC
Re: OH NOES. - [info]kadath, 2006-08-26 01:46 pm UTC
Re: OH NOES. - [info]randomsome1, 2006-08-26 01:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ichigatsu, 2006-08-26 03:13 pm UTC
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(Anonymous)
2006-08-26 01:34 pm UTC (link)
A few other studies, which have focused on employment (as opposed to working hours) have concluded that working outside the home actually increases marital stability, at least when the marriage is a happy one. But even in these studies, wives' employment does correlate positively to divorce rates, when the marriage is of "low marital quality.

WTF? You either married the right person or didn't. D’uh!

Black_Spot @ LJ

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