Current mood:

pissed off

transsexual wank (not as fun as that makes it sound)
feminist_fatale on LJ just seems to be full of wank. First it was asking "why slash, is it harmful, is it feminist" (blah blah blah it'sbeendonemoveON), and now a discussion started by estu_l_aftadai (the [incredibly annoying] mod?) about transsexuals turns wanky.

estu_l_aftadai goes on to heights of offensive idiocy by explaining why they won't call MTF transsexuals "she" or "her" in the comments.

Almost all comments are a trainwreckish goldmine of idiocy, my personal favourite bit being this comment by lovecrafty: What does it hurt you to play along?

How far exactly are you supposed to play along?

Let's say I'm sitting at a bar and an attractive transsexual approaches me and asks me to by zir a drink. Now, if an attractive women did this, I'd probably say "Sure." and buy her a drink, because, you know, maybe I'll get laid. And then maybe I'll fall in love, and we'll get married and have babies, and life will be peachy keen. True, that's probably not what will happen, but the possibility it could is why I would by the drink.

But I don't want to have sex with a transsexual, and I certainly don't want to fall in love with and get married to one, so obviously I should react differently to the offer to buy "her" a drink.

But then, I'm making a distinction between a transsexual woman and a real woman. I'm not "playing along".

Oh, WTF. WTF, indeed.

[ETA]: After the transsexual post, spaze asks ~~for it~~ "Do We as Humans have an inaliable right to define who we are as individuals?", even though they should really just let it go.

Along with rehashes of earlier opinions by lovecrafty (for the love of god just shut up), spaze also gets this serious and polite reply from estu_l_aftadai (and by serious and polite, I mean stupid and stupid).

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elektra3
2006-08-27 09:41 am UTC (link)

Let's say I'm sitting at a bar and an attractive transsexual approaches me and asks me to by zir a drink. Now, if an attractive women did this, I'd probably say "Sure." and buy her a drink, because, you know, maybe I'll get laid. And then maybe I'll fall in love, and we'll get married and have babies, and life will be peachy keen. True, that's probably not what will happen, but the possibility it could is why I would by the drink.

...Wow. Someone's been planning ahead.

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-27 10:12 am UTC (link)

I think the best part of that is the implication that all of the above is necessarily going to be true of *any* woman who might approach him at a bar. Nevermind if he's already made his little babies with someone else at that point, or even just been approached by someone who just isn't his type. But if one of those icky transsexuals shows up, he's got a whole different problem.

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	estu_l_aftadai's a guy? (Anonymous) 2006-08-27 10:19 am UTC (link)
	What's a man doing as a feminist_fatale mod anyway? Why doesn't he put his thoughts on yaoi (and trannies) somewhere where they respect the cock? --The Clichemoth (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: estu_l_aftadai's a guy? jar 2006-08-27 10:25 am UTC (link)
	Actually, I just checked, and lovecrafty is actually the main mod. Which begs the same questions, really, so. Yeah. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: estu_l_aftadai's a guy? (Anonymous) 2006-08-27 09:15 pm UTC (link)
	Lovecrafty is one of these guys who might pretend to be feminist, but is actually quite the chauvinist, of which unfortunately feminist_fatale is full of. I didn't know he was the main mod, but I suppose that explains it. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: estu_l_aftadai's a guy? aristaea 2006-08-27 11:11 am UTC (link)
	Because men aren't allowed to play on the other feminist comms unless they worship the hive vagina. Or rather, the hive vagina's less amusing evil twin. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: estu_l_aftadai's a guy? notjo 2006-08-27 02:49 pm UTC (link)
	I seem to recall reading feminist_fatale as a place where feminism and non-feminists are supposed to meet for conversation or something? I may be getting things confused. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: estu_l_aftadai's a guy? (Anonymous) 2006-08-27 04:55 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, f_f isn't really a "feminist comm". It's just a comm about feminism. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: estu_l_aftadai's a guy? (Anonymous) 2006-08-27 09:17 pm UTC (link)
	That explains all the misogynists trolls, then. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	aerobot 2006-08-27 12:55 pm UTC (link)
	Talk about the most cliche anti-trans argument ever. It's getting BORING now. "OMG I MIGHT ACCIDENTALLY SLEEP WITH A MAN OHNOEZ!!11!!" (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ravenclaw_devi 2006-08-27 02:44 pm UTC (link)
	But of course! Someone one doesn't want to f*k isn't worth having a conversation with, didn't you get the memo? It's not like people can just talk* or, heaven forbid, make friends. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	funwithrage 2006-08-27 03:37 pm UTC (link)
	On the one hand, I generally agree. And the poster is incredibly wanky. On the other hand, the buying-drinks-in-bar thing is almost invariably someone hitting on someone else. So I can understand the focus on sleeping with zir or not. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	selene_avis 2006-08-27 05:28 pm UTC (link)
	True, but if the hitter doesn't want kids, than that part of the equation pretty much drops out even if the whole sex and marriage thing pans out. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	funwithrage 2006-08-30 12:55 am UTC (link)
	Fair enough. And, indeed, if the hitter is an unattractive woman, or a woman who is attractive enough in a bar but has a really annoying laugh or a lifetime supply of back hair...well, there are many reasons other than the cock that things wouldn't work out. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	lemone 2006-08-27 06:15 pm UTC (link)
	So, who are the people who flash by in your icon? I think I see Stephen King, but I can't pick the rest out. ~~I think about his characters having gay sex too. He brought on himself with Roland and Jake I tell you!~~ (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	miss_arel 2006-08-27 07:47 pm UTC (link)
	The first two are JK Rowling and Neil Gaiman, I can't pick out the 3rd. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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benighted, 2006-08-27 08:15 pm UTC

	bangoskank 2006-08-28 07:59 pm UTC (link)
	ICON!!! :D (Reply to this)(Parent)

	funwithrage 2006-08-30 12:59 am UTC (link)
	It's so true. ;) And I'm not sure exactly--the icon was made for me by a lovely f_w person--but the identifications below are probably the right ones. (Reply to this)(Parent)

(Anonymous)
2006-08-27 09:23 pm UTC (link)

I have to say I do get annoyed at people who thinks that buying someone a drink is the same thing as buying a prostitute, though. Granted, it's pretty rude to come up to a stranger and say "will you buy me a drink?" as in Lovecrafty's example, but if you ask someone if they want a drink, and they accept, you should know that the only thing they accept is talking with you for as long as it takes them to drink it, nothing more nothing less. Accepting it does not equal "yes, I'd be willing to have sex with you!"

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funwithrage
2006-08-30 01:01 am UTC (link)

Oh, definitely. Being interested in sex doesn't mean being interested in sex with *you*, where you is random bar guy, and being interested in sex with you doesn't mean being cool with it right now, when you might well keep cheerleaders' heads in your glove compartment.

Mostly what I was saying was that, well, people buying drinks for strangers in bars, or asking those strangers to buy them drinks, are obviously at least looking for something that could *go* somewhere sexual. Because otherwise there's no reason to be alone in a bar buying drinks for strangers as opposed to at home with friends and/or a Playstation. ;)

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	brown_betty 2006-08-27 07:39 pm UTC (link)
	...so that $3.50 or whatever beer costs where he is, is like buying a lottery ticket for a happy future? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2006-08-27 09:25 pm UTC (link)
	Does that make a trannie one of these fake lottery tickets then? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	greenling 2006-08-29 04:28 am UTC (link)
	Nah, we just pay out in ice cream instead of money. I guess he doesn't like a little cherry in his chocolate. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	adora_spintriae 2006-08-27 11:54 pm UTC (link)
	I'm surprised lovecrafty thinks anyone (let alone a good-looking woman) would ever approach him in a bar and hit on him. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2006-09-07 10:16 pm UTC (link)
	This is from a guy who has already admitted to me in other conversations that he "doesn't go to bars" and "doesn't go out much." WHY I AM SHOCKED. (Reply to this)(Parent)

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