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Becca Stareyes ([info]beccastareyes) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2006-08-27 23:28:00


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Elfwood and comics
So, slaydo posts to the elfwood LJ community looking for an artist for a comic project:

Any artist who wants to help me create our own creator owned comic book to publish and sale on amazon for 50% share of whatever profit we might make, hit me back asap. I have the story ideas and the plot, but not the artist skills that it will take to make a kick ass comic. But together with an artist willing to put some time into the matter I have some originial ideas, characters storylines that might just make us famous. I'm looking for someone who can do a kirby or ladronn like style or even like the guys that did ghost writer, road to damnation, but I'll work with whoever seriously wants to do this.

Reactions are mixed between 'it's a scam' and 'you can't get an artist to work for free on a project that is likely to tank with no real information'. A few people offer tips (ranging from 'save your pennies and commission an artist' to 'try publishing for free as a webcomic first to get a fanbase' or 'draw it yourself').

Undanted, Slaydo posts again.


I've seen a few people say this is a fake offer. But realistically, like others have said, I'm not offering much. Just a publishing shot on amazon.com with a 50/50 split on the profits, which wouldn't be the easy fan base to establish as others have noticed. Not easy, but possible. And while the webcomic ideas are good indeed, people won't have to pay for any thing, even if they can't download it a good screen cap prog will do the job. As far as getting a job with a major pub with no real considerable creds, that's another long shot. I don't see a spot at DC or Marvel coming in the next few years....took Brian Michael bendis years to get noticed and become the goldenboy he is now. This was just a call out to any young artist still going to college that wanted to try their hand at something without necessarily getting paid. So this is a legit offer, and I think inillegitimate offer would be making a lot more promises than I am as cash goes. And for the cynics out there, if you don't have constructive output or criticism, why waste your time responding at all?

This post continues to draw attention from the comm-goers, so Slaydo makes two more posts, both with the title "Creatore Owned Comic Book Haters" (Note: The second post says everything the first post did, plus summarizes his great idea). Pretty much everyone who pointed out the flaws in his (?) plans are bitter and jaded and lost the fire.

I should get screencaps, since the mods will be on this like butter on toast.


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The hell?
[info]tiki
2006-08-28 04:01 am UTC (link)
But Amazon.com isn't a publisher...?

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Re: The hell?
[info]beccastareyes
2006-08-28 04:07 am UTC (link)
I'm hoping he means that he's selling through Amazon, and that some undisclosed publsiher will be printing the books for him.

Or he's a scam artist and/or has no clue what he's doing.

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Re: The hell?
[info]julian_black
2006-08-28 10:23 pm UTC (link)
I get the impression that he'll self-publish. That's assuming he ever finds an artist stupid enough to work on the terms he's describing.

I just think he's clueless, myself.

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Re: The hell?
[info]akilika
2006-08-28 10:54 pm UTC (link)
Yeah . . . I mean, even speaking as someone who draws* a webcomic for free . . . and occasionally wishes, y'know, I wish someone *else* could do this annoying "writing" crap . . .

I can't see any redeeming value in this offer.

Something lurking in the depths of Amazon--no audience. Obviously hasn't thought about this much--probably no follow-through. Less-than-stellar grasp of the English language (and only a summary, no script!)--probably a head-desk and a half to work with.

. . . yeah. I Just Don't Get It.


* In the grand tradition of 90% of webcomics in existence, it's currently on hiatus, granted

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Re: The hell?
[info]tiki
2006-08-29 04:32 am UTC (link)
Yeah, I'm going with "clueless" too... I thought it was funny he kept referring to "publishing on Amazon". You SELL on Amazon. It's like he doesn't know the difference.
Also, he almost certainly doesn't know you need an ISBN to sell on Amazon. What am I saying?? He probably doesn't know what an ISBN IS.

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Re: The hell?
[info]ilpalazzo
2006-08-28 04:16 am UTC (link)
Selling photocopied shit through the Amazon equivalents of Etsy and/or Ebay is probably more like what he had in mind. People sell doujinshi that way.

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ealusaid
2006-08-28 05:19 am UTC (link)
Oh, Elfwood. It's so good at attracting young, earnest, not quite (yet) talented people with huge dreams and no social skills. So you'll get a bunch of artists (or writers) together chatting about stuff, and suddenly there's this HAY GUYZ I HAV A GRATE IDEA post (or a HAY GUYZ LUK @ MY STUFF, IT BREAKS TRAD BOUNDARIES, making everyone else go, "It only counts if you know the boundaries in the first place!").

Really, that's why I left the lj comms/Elftown/etc. and post on livejournal. If I had one more person whinge at me about how their purple prose iUniverse/aLibris/PublishAmerica novel about telepathic unicorns was going to "set a new standard in unicorn/[insert weird sub-sub-genre here] literature", I was going to kill somebody.

So this wank makes me so very nostalgic. It's just like every other one.

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[info]telophase
2006-08-28 08:14 pm UTC (link)
Reminds me of cons. I get guys who come up to me, survey my art table covered in manga-style bishounen, and attempt to pitch their superhero stories to me. I say "I'm sorry, I don't do superheroes," and they say "But mine are different!"

No. They're not.

Luckily I now have a writer so I can short-circuit all of them when they start telling me about how their superhero story is in the vein of Watchmen they turn out to be a bunch of superheros sitting around angsting about being superheros.

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[info]sashenka
2006-08-28 05:38 am UTC (link)
I don't see a spot at DC or Marvel coming in the next few years.
Someone doesn't understand the concept of freelance work... which is basically what the entire comic industry is about.

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Look mum, we're on TV!
[info]fevered_ego
2006-08-28 06:20 am UTC (link)
Oh gods, that guy was nutty. I have a feeling he isn't done yet, either. We haven't even seen the traditional huffy Goodbye Post yet.

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[info]tiye
2006-08-28 06:28 am UTC (link)
D'oh, I was just about to post this!

I haven't seen someone this special in the Elfwood comm in awhile.

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[info]fevered_ego
2006-08-28 08:15 am UTC (link)
How fondly I remember the good old days before my uncut image post of two bunnies spelled doom for the entire Elfwoodrant community.

I wish I'd known about otf_wank back then. Oh, the lols we could have lol'd!

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[info]tiye
2006-08-28 02:12 pm UTC (link)
I was wondering what happened to Elfwoodrant! Guess I must have missed that.

Yeah, I remember the endless parade of "why wont u take my pic of a grl w/blue hair omg she is hot and totally fantasy cuz she has blue hair" wanks; the "how come the modz friends always get modz choice omg!!!1!" wanks; and of course the "thomas is so good <3<3<3 if u dont liek how elfwood is run then leave!111!!" wanks.

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[info]fevered_ego
2006-08-28 06:09 pm UTC (link)
Mostly what happened was that a new mod got the vapors after having the rules explained to her so many times, so they rewrote the rules.

No more "off topic" comments, no debating, no ranting. No sounding too angry in a post, no off-topic comments. Criticism or even discussion of the new rules would get you warned and your post deleted.

So of course, most of the people who kept the community interesting said "yeah, right" and took off. I posted a final entry, pointing out ways in which the new rules contradicted each other. It was the most friendly and positive rant I ever posted, and I concluded the post with a small 33k photo of two adorable bunnies eating a dandelion. I couldn't resist leaving it uncut, because as one of the remaining smart alecks I felt I had a certain reputation to uphold. Besides, bunnies are cute.

Two mods chewed me out for attacking the community and deliberately making trouble. It was all very important. The post was deleted and new entries were set to moderated. Nothing sbmitted after that followed the new rules well enough to be accepted, and a few days later the mods finally shut the whole operation down for good.

Oh sure, they SAID the community had outlived its usefulness, but I think everyone knows it was really all about the bunnies.

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[info]tehrin
2006-08-28 05:20 pm UTC (link)
Ugh. I've been approached by at least two people trying to get me to draw for them like that. They just didn't seem to understand that I wanted to work on my own projects and not their shitty Naruto rip-offs. *groan*

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[info]phosfate
2006-08-28 07:34 pm UTC (link)
Same here. I'm perfectly capable of coming up with a shitty Naruto rip-off on my own.

I was once courted by a guy who saw me drawing and decided that, since he was an aspiring novelist, we would make the perfect couple. About two minutes into the discussion, I learned that he didn't know the most basic, read-an-issue-of-Writers-Digest-once thing about how to get published. "What do I do if I send them my story and never hear from them again?" "Well, you make a copy..." "I'd have to write it out again?" "A photocopy." "A what?" And then I shot him.

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[info]julian_black
2006-08-28 10:20 pm UTC (link)
What leaves me shaking my head over Slaydo's artist-wanted post in his journal is that he's presenting himself as the writer of these great stories, but his post is riddled with misspellings, as well as lousy grammar and punctuation. Plus, he doesn't know when to use the Shift key.

[swings clue bat]

As an artist, if I'm going to team up with a writer I expect that writer to have mastered all the technical aspects of written English--because that's what writers do. I want to work with a writer who takes their craft so seriously that s/he has internalized the rules of spelling, grammar, and punctuation. That writer would never think to write in the manner Slaydo does (at least not seriously).

Slaydo may have all the "story ideas" in the world. If his posts are any indication, however, he can't write for shit. Why would I (or any other artist who had their act together) want to work with him? And for free, at that?

[/swings clue bat]

On top of that, Slaydo seems to have no clue how comics get published, distributed, or sold. Does he really think that people are going to want to buy a comic--and a black-and-white one at that--sight unseen, off Amazon? Especially when they have no idea who he is?

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[info]rikiki
2006-08-28 10:45 pm UTC (link)
Bahleeted. >< Seriously, this guy needs to get a clue.

And I wonder if the person on his flist knows she's there? It says she's a biology student who's an artist in her free time. Hmmm.

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