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Irony ([info]isntitironic) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2006-09-03 21:36:00


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Current mood:Planetary

You knew there had to be Pluto Wank somewhere, didn't you?
Well, didn't you?

So here is is! Astronomer Phil Plait states the new definition of 'planet' and shares his thoughts on the whole mess - namely, he thinks that 'planets' as opposed to 'other star-orbity things' is a distinction that exists entirely in the human mind and all this dickering is silly.

Then the Internet comes into play, and other people with a weaker grasp on spelling share their views.

Gems include this guy, who won't stop harping on a technicality:</a>

hehehe. now not only our solar system has 8 plannets, the entire universe has only 8 planets. and all orbit our sun. So what are those things orbiting other stars they have found? Whatever they are, they are not planets.

How come you don’t see why the definition excludes the extrasolar objetcs? It says right there - orbit the SUN. Who cares how large the ESP is, as long as it does not orbit the SUN it falls out of the definition of the planet. ESPs under this definition are not planets!

Some quibbling over whether 'planet' is worth defining:

The BA leaves me a little confused. He says that a planet classification system is a cultural definition and silly. So is the solar classification system he often refers to also cultural and silly? His writings would seem to suggest he endorses classifying stars. Why is classifying planets different?

Has anybody read to the bottom of the AP reports on the decision? My favorite part of the press coverage is this gem from the latest AP article: “It was unclear how Pluto’s demotion might affect the mission of NASA’s New Horizons spacecraft, which earlier this year began a 9 1/2-year journey to the oddball object….” It’s a bit late now to cancel the mission, does the AP think New Horizons will get out to Pluto’s orbit and find just empty space (maybe a “Pardon our dust” sign with the IAU logo)?

How can it be that the definition of a basic term in your field is “silly”? Can you imagine any other field of science where the definition of a basic term would be an exercise in silliness? Imagine chemists saying that attempting to define the term “element” is silly. Would anyone take them - or their field of study - seriously?

I find one thing kind of funny, anytime someone mistakenly calls a meteorite a meteor or vise versa, Phil is quick to point out their mistake. Yet he states that coming up with rules that define what is a planet and what isn’t is “silly”.

Bad Astronomy shares my issues with this new definition, but I disagree that it is a silly argument. Maybe it is my innate drive to name and classify everything, but I do think it is a worthwhile discussion. I have the same feelings about lakes and ponds, streams and rivers. IMHO we should set an official definition of these as well.

Plenty of random funny, both intentional and not:

It seems that planets are like pornography - hard to define but you know it when you see it.

Nice work of IAU guys: their clarifying definition confuses things even more.

Ah well, at least the fingercounting crowd can still count the planets on their fingers or some ridiculous mnemonic. Hukt awn fahniks wirks 4 IAU. I truly appreciate the sick irony of a heliocentric definition for planets, the Christians must be drooling over the possibility of restoring Earth’s place as “special” in the universe.

I know what Xena is, I’m not retarded. I just don’t want to waste 3 seconds of my life typing UB313 when insted I could use that time to utter my last important words with my last breath.

From now on, I’m going to call Earth a “large, wet asteroid.”

Using the word “neighborhood” to to describe astronomical distances is just weird. Could we not have some formulas, or numbers, or something?

honestly. sol has one planet, three minor planets, and a lot of debris.

Pluto shares its own thoughts here.

And this guy wins:

If we allowed Pluto to have planetary status then it would be a short step to polygamy and people marrying dogs.



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[info]redcoast
2006-09-04 04:15 am UTC (link)
Thanks. Having flashbacks to the bestiality wank.

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[info]sashenka
2006-09-04 04:22 am UTC (link)
Oh, Pluto... I remember reading once when I was young that Pluto and its moon were almost like a double planet because Pluto was so small. I think I'll still call it a planet. I'm being a rebel!

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[info]qem_chibati
2006-09-04 04:31 am UTC (link)
It wasn't just that, it was because Pluto's moon was so big in comparison; and it's tidally locked, it rotates with the planet rather than around, IIRC.

I've heard a similar argument be made for Earth and it's moon - our moon's pretty big in comparison to the size of Earth...

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[info]sashenka
2006-09-04 04:32 am UTC (link)
Ahh, yes, I'm not crazy! Pluto/Charon OTP?

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[info]hoshiryo
2006-09-04 08:50 pm UTC (link)
...and now my mind is going on about all the 'interesting' slashy pr0n that would generate...

...I think I just found the thing least needed by the universe.

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[info]sashenka
2006-09-04 08:51 pm UTC (link)
It's very likely.

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[info]mmanurere
2006-09-04 05:50 am UTC (link)
At least with the Earth (IIRC) the common center of gravity around which the Earth and its moon orbit is within the Earth...where as with Pluto/Charon the common center of gravity is above Pluto's surface. Seems like a reasonable line at which to draw the "planet + moon" vs. "twin planet" line, if such a line must be drawn at all...then again, I'm not an astronomer.

All I know is that changes in definition have zero impact outside of human ideas...so I guess I'm with Dr. Plait here.

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[info]brown_betty
2006-09-04 09:09 pm UTC (link)
This seems reasonable! When you run for official otf_wank astronomer, you have my vote.

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[info]mmanurere
2006-09-04 09:15 pm UTC (link)
I'm an internet astronomer! Maybe I'll have to hire an internet lawyer to represent me...

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[info]kadath
2006-09-04 09:20 pm UTC (link)
Barycenter. More than you ever wanted to know about two-body kinematics.

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[info]mmanurere
2006-09-05 12:26 am UTC (link)
Hooray for having people with actual expertise commenting here!

Is it significant that both "Barycenter" and "Center of gravity" redirect to "center of mass"? Is "center of gravity" just the not-particularly-educated-public term?

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[info]kadath
2006-09-05 12:41 am UTC (link)
CoM and CoG mean the same thing for most situations, though if gravity is not uniform, CoG is inaccurate. Barycenter is specific to orbiting bodies.

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[info]notjo
2006-09-04 06:09 pm UTC (link)
Because I apparently have money to burn, I'm buying a "Pluto is still a planet TO ME" t-shirts.

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[info]sashenka
2006-09-04 06:49 pm UTC (link)
And because I don't, I'm going to get a Sharpie and a $2 men's undershirt and make one.

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[info]deconcentrate
2006-09-04 06:03 am UTC (link)
It was inevitable, wasn't it?

At least it gave Jonathan Coulton more wonderful song fodder.

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[info]ueuecoyotl
2006-09-04 04:43 pm UTC (link)
"I'm Your Moon" is so much love ♥

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[info]your_face
2006-09-04 07:58 am UTC (link)
I love Phil Plait.

The people who comment in his blog, not so much.

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[info]pariforma
2006-09-04 12:52 pm UTC (link)
Yours is the icon I've been waiting for.

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[info]mcity
2006-09-04 03:02 pm UTC (link)
http://ursulav.livejournal.com/519655.html

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[info]darkeyes
2006-09-04 05:01 pm UTC (link)
But...But... What does this all mean, to those of us that are supposed to be influenced by Pluto(with a helping of Mars on the side)? What ever will become us, now that we have no planet to be ruled by?

Won't someone think of the Scorpios? *sniffles*

We think about you...


tied up


waiting for us to have our way with you

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[info]tehrin
2006-09-04 06:35 pm UTC (link)
We think about you...


tied up


OMG YAY!

You know, I was almost born a Scorpio (I'm Libra, Oct. 22). So I feel for you. Besides, the Moon rules over Cancer and its not a planet so its more like a demotion then getting fired for Pluto. Cheer up! :D

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[info]aristaea
2006-09-05 12:43 am UTC (link)
Srsly. Pluto is my favourite planet, and without it how will I interpret my weekly horoscope? Woe!

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[info]hickorydickory
2006-09-04 06:05 pm UTC (link)
But... but then it'll just be My Very Eager Mother Just Sold Us! And that's wrong, people!

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(Anonymous)
2006-09-04 10:06 pm UTC (link)
Don't tell me they've taken Neptune from us too!

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[info]hickorydickory
2006-09-05 03:49 pm UTC (link)
...Oh. Damn. I knew I forgot something.

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[info]notjo
2006-09-04 06:09 pm UTC (link)
Is your icon gakkable?

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[info]solar_type_star
2006-09-04 07:23 pm UTC (link)
Jesus, people, it's just a planet.

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[info]hoshiryo
2006-09-04 08:57 pm UTC (link)
...actually, that's the problem.

It isn't anymore. Offically.

Personally? I think we should drop the term 'planet' entirely in favor of 'star-orbity things' as 'star-orbity things' is vastly more accurate.

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[info]solar_type_star
2006-09-04 09:01 pm UTC (link)
Ok, I'm sorry, my snark was not good enough. Let's try again:

Jesus, people, it's just a giant ball of ice.


(S-OTs? Scientists love those acronyms, you know?)

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[info]hoshiryo
2006-09-04 09:09 pm UTC (link)
( Yes...and it'd certainly explain Pluto's orbit if it was a sot... )

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[info]hoshiryo
2006-09-04 08:53 pm UTC (link)
"does the AP think New Horizons will get out to Pluto’s orbit and find just empty space (maybe a “Pardon our dust” sign with the IAU logo)?"

If it does, can I emigrate to a universe more honest about its being a silly universe?

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(Anonymous)
2006-09-05 04:23 pm UTC (link)
Please tell me your icon is gankable!

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