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Zink ([info]zinkchan) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2006-10-16 16:28:00


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Current mood:Bitch Slapped
Current music:"Hands Open"~Snow Patrol

Protest FOR DA CHILDRENZZZ...
The Seattle com on LJ is usually the bastion of people asking where they can find a Thai place that delivers to Capitol Hill, which area should they move to, and occasionally local news and events. For the most part the wank levels are tepid, with most people going off topic or occasionally snarking some stupid piece of local news, but not really arguing.

Today Kaligrrrl posts to Seattle to promote a protest against closing some Seattle schools.

http://community.livejournal.com/seattle/4017176.html



Listen to Journeyto completely destroy any sort of convincing argument they may have had!

I wonder if she also almost became a sex-therapist and thinks fathers embracing their children is icky?

I worked in the public school system for years, especially in those schools in the inner city of Seattle. Parents expect the teachers to be everything and do everything and could basically, give a shit about coming to school conferences or even helping out in the class room - and most of the families I worked with were on welfare and the moms weren't doing anything but watching TV.


Enjoy the loving insight on the situation provided by Cambler! Because if you can't give your children a private school education, then you have no right to complain!

I don't give a rat's ass.

My kids go to private school, where I get what I pay for.

And yes, I'm tired of my taxes going to pay for other people's kids to go to school. Let 'em help pay for mine, too, without holding a gun to my head and saying, "if you want us to pay for your kids, you have to send them to sub-standard schools that no amount of involvement will help."

"Rat's ass" isn't strong enough, actually. I think fuck 'em is more apropos.


Of course people do bring up good points, but for the most part it's a lot of people giving their thoughts on public education.

To tell the truth, I had to sit on my hands for most of that post, but because I'm a stupid south-end public school Pleebe, I doubt the people proclaiming that public school students deserve an inferior education would listen.



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[info]sisterelwood
2006-10-17 12:01 am UTC (link)
And yes, I'm tired of my taxes going to pay for other people's kids to go to school. Let 'em help pay for mine, too, without holding a gun to my head and saying, "if you want us to pay for your kids, you have to send them to sub-standard schools that no amount of involvement will help."

So... you want us to go back in time to when only the rich got to be educated and we raise generations of people who do not know the basics of reading, writing, math, and science. Okay!

Yes, public schools can suck but many of them are very good and, frankly, in a country where government officials are by and large put into office by the people I would really appreciate said people being able to at least read the ballot.

Now, you snob, kindly fuck off.

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[info]gloria_mundi
2006-10-17 12:20 am UTC (link)
Cambler occasionally has a grain of truth in his words. Not so today.

The man is a photographer. You would think he . . . I dunno, that he would understand or something.

Oh wait, his medium of photography is usually scantilly clad or less young ladies.

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(no subject) - [info]sisterelwood, 2006-10-17 12:24 am UTC

[info]greypearl
2006-10-17 12:27 am UTC (link)
So... you want us to go back in time to when only the rich got to be educated and we raise generations of people who do not know the basics of reading, writing, math, and science.

Some days it feels like that's already happened.

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(no subject) - [info]sisterelwood, 2006-10-17 12:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]semirecluse, 2006-10-17 03:08 am UTC
Say that dirty word! Socialism!
[info]rarirurero
2006-10-17 12:10 am UTC (link)
...Are there seriously people that think that market forces will create a better public education system, rather than make the schools attempt to drive down operating costs as much as possible, even moreso than now?

The stupid, it burns.

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Re: Say that dirty word! Socialism!
iwanttobeasleep
2006-10-17 12:17 am UTC (link)
People seem to think market forces will fix everything. It's quite amazing.

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Re: Say that dirty word! Socialism! - [info]sisterelwood, 2006-10-17 12:18 am UTC
Re: Say that dirty word! Socialism! - [info]rarirurero, 2006-10-17 12:24 am UTC
Simpsons quote time! - [info]littleshebear, 2006-10-17 12:31 am UTC
Re: Say that dirty word! Socialism! - [info]gloria_mundi, 2006-10-17 12:55 am UTC
Re: Say that dirty word! Socialism! - [info]keri, 2006-10-17 01:06 am UTC
Re: Say that dirty word! Socialism! - [info]gloria_mundi, 2006-10-17 01:07 am UTC
Re: Say that dirty word! Socialism! - [info]napalmnacey, 2006-10-17 02:00 am UTC
Re: Say that dirty word! Socialism!
[info]zinkchan
2006-10-17 12:21 am UTC (link)
That made me wonder too.

And for the love of christ, does arrogantb realize that the Rainer Valley is actually growing because house-prices down there are acutally affordable? Columbia City's been steadily getting larger since I was in middle school. Plus when you get new immmigrants, they tend to go to places where they have established communities and a lot of those communities are in the South End.

Of course I'm still bitter about the fact that Seattle Public Schools gave my high school three times as much money for sports as they did for academics.


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Re: Say that dirty word! Socialism! - (Anonymous), 2006-10-17 04:56 am UTC
Re: Say that dirty word! Socialism! - [info]zinkchan, 2006-10-17 05:50 am UTC
Re: Say that dirty word! Socialism! - [info]rimrunner, 2006-10-18 03:48 am UTC
Re: Say that dirty word! Socialism! - [info]zinkchan, 2006-10-18 05:16 am UTC
Re: Say that dirty word! Socialism! - [info]rimrunner, 2006-10-19 02:52 am UTC
Re: Say that dirty word! Socialism!
[info]b_jellybean
2006-10-17 12:30 am UTC (link)
The amount of people who really truly believe that if we run schools like buisnessess (i.e. creating competition) it'll make everything all better is truly astounding.

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Re: Say that dirty word! Socialism! - [info]mmanurere, 2006-10-17 03:14 am UTC
Re: Say that dirty word! Socialism! - [info]renata_hpjc, 2006-10-17 01:55 pm UTC
Re: Say that dirty word! Socialism! - [info]jerel, 2006-10-17 09:56 pm UTC
Re: Say that dirty word! Socialism! - [info]mmanurere, 2006-10-18 03:28 am UTC
Re: Say that dirty word! Socialism! - (Anonymous), 2006-10-17 06:28 pm UTC
Re: Say that dirty word! Socialism! - [info]b_jellybean, 2006-10-17 09:00 pm UTC
Re: Say that dirty word! Socialism! - [info]rimrunner, 2006-10-18 03:49 am UTC
Re: Say that dirty word! Socialism!
[info]amymccabe
2006-10-17 03:05 am UTC (link)
Ah, that sounds like something my Dad would say.

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Re: Say that dirty word! Socialism!
[info]mindset
2006-10-17 07:12 pm UTC (link)
You know, we can't actually say "sociali$m" on JF. :)

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iwanttobeasleep
2006-10-17 12:18 am UTC (link)
:sits on hands: I will not share my thoughts on yaoi public schooling, I will not share my thoughts on public schooling, I will not share my thoughts on public schooling.

I can't even click the link, those quotes piss me off so much.

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(no subject) - [info]sisterelwood, 2006-10-17 12:20 am UTC
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[info]sarracenia
2006-10-17 12:41 am UTC (link)
I must not wank. Wank is the mind-killer. Wank is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my wank. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past, I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the wank has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

...

Come to think of it, that sounds really kind of kinky.

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(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2006-10-17 02:01 am UTC
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(Anonymous)
2006-10-17 01:00 am UTC (link)
There is absolutely nothing I can say regarding this without being absolutely wanky.

D: D: D: D: D: D: D: D: D: D:

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[info]cat_mcdougall
2006-10-17 01:11 am UTC (link)
Gods, cambler's an ass isn't he?

My kids go to public schools. However, I know where the failings are in said schools, and shockingly, I make it up at home. (I know, an involved parent. I will be handing out my photos so that there is proof of such a thing at a later date.)

The problems aren't just with the schools. The problems are with the parents too. When my kids and I make our weekly library trip (Stop gasping like that, you're going to herniate something) the only thing I see the kids using is the internet. My kids go, admittedly, because the library lends out DVDs for free. So, we go, get a few movies, however we also get books.

My 6yo was reading when she started kindergarten last year. Does that mean I'm doing something wrong by sending my kids to public school?

The big problems I've found is that the parents are in a race (yes even welfare moms who sit around watching soaps all day). They can give all this stuff to their kids --ie, iPods, cell phones, laptops, Xbox, insert-fave-electronic-toy-of-the-week-- but they have either forgotten, or were never taught, that it isn't the "stuff" that matters, but what you teach the children.

But then, I might just be an eternal optimist and a Mom who believes that teaching my child to read is probably the greatest gift I can give them.

Anyone got a towel?

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(no subject) - [info]sisterelwood, 2006-10-17 01:13 am UTC
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[info]frequentmouse
2006-10-17 01:52 am UTC (link)
OK, I'm really glad I got obsessed with getting the pet hair out of the rugs today and didn't have time to wander over to [info]seattle. Because after interminable KUOW coverage of the shcool closure issue, with Raj Manhof giving justification in his accountant-speak, I'm grateful for NTPS, and that's just [i]wrong[/i].

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[info]herongale
2006-10-17 01:59 am UTC (link)
I'm so glad I live in Detroit, where we don't have these kinds of problems.

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(Anonymous)
2006-10-17 02:00 am UTC (link)
Bloody hell. Fucking Libertarians - the lowest form of life. I'd be happy to pay "my" taxes to ship them all off to an island somewhere.

angriestgirl@lj

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(no subject) - [info]pharae, 2006-10-17 03:02 am UTC
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GIP - [info]khym_chanur, 2006-10-17 05:39 am UTC
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[info]hyaenid
2006-10-17 03:44 am UTC (link)
::chews on fingers:: Must not wank, must not wank...

Little Sister is currently in Seattle public schools, and this wank is mashing just about all of my KILLING RAGE buttons.

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(Anonymous)
2006-10-17 05:03 am UTC (link)
...I belong to this community. :-(

I went to Seattle public schools until high school, and it was great. I got a wonderful education in elementary school without any of the sheltered bubble that a lot of private school kids get.

The serious problem is that the public schools in the south end (read: like the one I should be at now) are absolute shit, for the most part, and no one's doing anything about it. Because all of the parents in the north end are the ones who have TIME to be on the PTA and affect shit. Even schools like Garfield which are "good" public schools have a serious divide between the "good" part of the school (with the people w/ money whose parents can affect change at the school because they have TIME) and the "bad" part. And WHAT people who don't have enough money for private school don't deserve an education? My little sister is getting a great education at public school, thank you very much.

Fuck you all and SHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUP

I am not wanking. I am not wanking. I am not...

--south end mousie

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[info]quettaser
2006-10-17 02:02 pm UTC (link)
I will not wank. I will not wank. I will not wank. I will not wank. *is a teacher in one of the poorest parts of Philadelphia*

I love how people try to blame the parents, as if it's just the parents fault. Public education in the country is so FUCKED from every direction. There aren't enough decent teachers willing to teach in the places that need them, there aren't enough parents who care or know what to do or how to be involved, there isn't enough money funding the schools so that they can have decent supplies. There just isn't enough of anything.

Just-- just, arggg! *goes to get towel before she makes a mess of herself*

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(no subject) - [info]missdaisy, 2006-10-17 05:21 pm UTC
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(Anonymous)
2006-10-17 07:09 pm UTC (link)
Education is not valued in this country. Most parents aren't very involved in their child's education, which perpetuates the message that education isn't important, and totally undermines the value of teachers. And, yet, the future of any society depends on its educational system. Until we start to truly value education, and make teaching a desirable, competitive profession (read: pay these people a *real* salary), I don't think much is going to change, and certainly not for the better.

jehanne1431 (I can't seem to be able to log in)

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-10-17 10:15 pm UTC
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[info]rachel_pi
2006-10-17 11:12 pm UTC (link)
privatize education, make all schools run as businesses

Yeah, I'm sure that'll work out fantastically. Because the private school my old roommate attended did a fabulous job teaching her to write craptastic papers. That was definitely worth the thousands a year her parents were paying.

But what do I know, I went to public school. And I even transferred from private to public so I could get a decent education, so I guess that makes me twice as dumb.

*grabs a towel*

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[info]mookie
2006-10-18 12:06 am UTC (link)
I wouldn't mind if all the little crotch droppings were shipping off to a forced-labour camp in Siberia but then I'm not fond of children.

Thank you, docjeff, for not letting a chance to express those views get past you.

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[info]rimrunner
2006-10-18 03:54 am UTC (link)
The Seattle comm is such a fountain of wank. I read it occasionally (and commented a time or two in this particular one before it ended up here...fortunately I came to my senses) but only when I feel like being annoyed.

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[info]aerobot
2006-10-18 10:55 am UTC (link)
Nobody owes you a living. Nobody owes you an education. If you cannot afford to raise children, don't have any. Yes, it really is that simple.

And nobody owes YOU a functioning society, buddy.

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[info]avari
2006-10-18 02:08 pm UTC (link)
My SO is a high school teacher in a northern Parisian suburb (yes, one of THOSE suburbs, rioting and all). The discipline problems are massive. The parents who can send their kids somewhere else do so. But should the school be shut down? Because, what next? Is the Magic of Free Market going to solve things for us?

On a personal level, my SO is dying of embarassment as he's been receiving love letters from students. Of course, being the mean girl that I am, I find it all rather hilarious.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-10-18 10:11 pm UTC

 
   
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