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	(Anonymous) 2006-10-24 01:44 pm UTC (link)
	Has anyone on this thread actually read an African feminist's position on the issue? It sure doesn't sound like it. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	naienko 2006-10-24 02:13 pm UTC (link)
	Links or shut it. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	vigilanterodent 2006-10-24 07:32 pm UTC (link)
	Um, yes. And I sincerely hope you aren't trying to wriggily suggest that African feminists would be appalled at our condemnation of the practice, since, y'know, I've read a fair number of African feminist perspectives on FGM and none of them had anything positive to say about it. (Reply to this)(Parent)

gobsmacked
2006-10-24 08:22 pm UTC (link)

Has anyone on this thread actually read an African feminist's position on the issue? It sure doesn't sound like it.

Does Asma El Dareer (Woman, Why Do You Weep?: Circumcision and Its Consequences) count? And I guess then Alice Walker was just channelling white folks when she wrote Possessing the Secret of Joy and Warrior Marks?

And while you're digesting that: FGM is not strictly an African practice. It occurs in a few other countries as well, most notably in the Middle East. All the countries in which FGM is practiced are predominantly Moslem - although in Egypt it is sometimes done by the Christian population as well. However, it is most assuredly not mandated by Islam - in fact, in the hadith, Mohammed said to the female circumciser to "hold back [your] hand".

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	morgyne 2006-10-25 02:32 am UTC (link)
	I had a professor from Uganda (FEMALE) who taught my Global Health class speak about in length. She never said if she underwent it or not, but I think she presented very compelling arguments against it, and even WHY IT WAS done and how to combat it in the community. (editing out the last bit with the names and the stuff) (Reply to this)(Parent)

wrongly_amused
2006-10-24 02:53 pm UTC (link)

Maybe I'd be more open to the "cultural differences" argument IF it FGM was done in a sterile environment, with proper anesthetic, and most importantly, at the *personal* request of the female in question. Except that, y'know, it's not.

For goodness sakes, people, this isn't about culture. This is about men waving their shiny penises around and glorifying the act of sex as some sort of male-dominated privilege. Reality check: It's not.

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(Anonymous)
2006-10-24 05:30 pm UTC (link)

Even when done properly, plastic surgery can be painful for years to come. My mother has had breast reduction. (She was a J cup and it was causing her so much back pain that she couldn't even walk.) She still has pain from it part of the time. And it has been years. Those muscles still spasm at times and protest what was done. Those scars still pull at times. My father's open heart surgery and the right side of his neck, they still cause him pain. The muscles around those scars are permenantly damaged. Just like the breast reduction scars.

So don't say just because it was done correctly in the best settings that it won't be painful. It can be. There are pros and cons to pretty much everything. NO, I do not find pros to FGM. I never will. But that doesn't mean that someone somewhere doesn't have 1.

Just think those comments through a bit more before making them. Some people even in the United States,don't really approve of the breast enlargement. I despize it. Those are not what is important in a female as far as I'm concerned. But someone being mutilated is just deplorable to me, period.

(And this is only anonymous because it refuses to take my lj id:

sel_barton )

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	frequentmouse 2006-10-24 05:43 pm UTC (link)
	This is not live journal. Assume tl;dr about voluntary versus involuntary procedures and surgery to have some positive effect versus mutilation intended to cause pain and loss of function and autonomy, with editorail comment about not reading urls showing your powers of observation. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	beckyh2112 2006-10-24 05:55 pm UTC (link)
	Half the problems with the "this is not LJ" misidentification would go away if Journalfen just changed their login to read 'Journalfen ID' instead of 'Livejournal ID'. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	doroc_sabah 2006-10-24 07:41 pm UTC (link)
	[overwritten and false 'genital mutilation fact', confusing that magic other sort of genetalia than I have to a vegetable or kitchen appliance, edited for 10 minutes to look accurate] (Reply to this)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2006-10-24 11:49 pm UTC (link)
	[tl;dr response from an internet anthropologist who neither agrees nor disagrees with your post, yet somehow sounds inflammatory] (Reply to this)(Parent)

	twoiskewl 2006-10-25 01:19 am UTC (link)
	[personal anecdote that has little to nothing to actually do with FGM] (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2006-10-25 04:10 am UTC (link)
	[CAPSLOCKED ANONYOUS MEME POST] (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2006-10-25 04:19 am UTC (link)
	[pissy post re. House fandom] (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	mookie 2006-10-25 07:15 am UTC (link)
	[netspeak spooge of rage that neither agrees nor disagrees] (Reply to this)(Parent)

(Anonymous)
2006-10-25 07:09 am UTC (link)

I am the 242nd comment on this wank report.

The report has officially wanked for exactly as many comments as the original wank, and has also calmed down (but is still wanky).

There is clearly some kind of recursive wank factor here, and by posting this 242nd comment I have probably initiated a time paradox that will swallow all of Journalfen.

Sorry, guys. I'm doing it for the lulz.

~~ Anonyrat

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	ravenclaw_devi 2006-10-25 07:17 am UTC (link)
	I'm against male circumcision as a routine thing (as opposed to doing it for medical or religious reasons), but it's not even in the same zip code as FGM. (Reply to this)

	heddychaa 2006-10-31 04:23 am UTC (link)
	this is pretty much the worst wank I have ever read. I kind of just want to go to bed and not come out for several days. (Reply to this)

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