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neridne ([info]neridne) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2006-10-25 16:31:00


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Fuku Wank

WARNING: Long post. For a brief summary, read this report done by [info]miss_arel (http://www.journalfen.net/community/otf_wank/484761.html).</lj>

The forums for the website, F*cking Otaku (aka Fuku), recently had a huge drama erupt that was several months (or years if you want to be technical) in the making. The ball gets rolling when the most prolific poster on the Fuku forum, KinFreon, suddenly confesses to f*cking otaku (for short, fno) behavior that Fuku itself is supposed to stand against.

The confession itself was most likely motivated in an attempt at an olive branch. But it backfired. BADLY.

In the actions that he delineates in his confession, KinFreon admits to behavior bad enough to the extent that he was BANNED from at least two cons and unwelcome at a few others. He then admits to one case of sexual molestation and to make matters worse, he admits to being an ex-lolicon fanatic. This is merely a brief summary of a several paragraphs long confession so I suggest you read it here: http://forums.catsonmars.com/index.php?showtopic=2988. At the end of this litany of mind-boggling behavior, he adds a moral to the story:

Keep cool. Respect the womenfolk. Respect authority. Leave underage girls alone. Go easy on the alkie and caffie. Don't whore for attention unless you have everyone's respect or something to offer. Don't mess with the cool kids. Keep it real; don't be someone you're not. Be positive. Learn manners. Respect everyone; kiss ass if you have to. Don't do weird things that creep people out...like associating with underage girls. Otherwise, you're a pretty fucking bad douchebag otaku. Which is what I'm trying not to be, through the rehabilitative auspices of FuKu.

But instead of having his confession received with forgiveness and open arms, which was the initial reaction, it very soon degenerates into drama when one poster questions KinFreon's motive and he volleys back vigorously in his own defense. The exchange soon draw more people in, who bring up KinFreon's past behavior, namely those directed at other Fuku posters themselves of which there is no public proof as they seem to have mostly been private exchanges. Pretty soon, it's civil war on the Fuku boards and it's every man (or woman) for themselves. Sadly, the attempts of the Fuku mods to regulate the growing madness does nothing. To Fuku's credit, most of the drama is legible and articulate. The war continues until the thread is 200+ posts long. Then, it finally degenerates into spams and image floods and is then locked.

What makes this a full blown wank is these subsequent threads. First up, a post (now comm-locked) by a Fuku poster, tramsosmai, in the Fuku LJ community, fuckingotaku. It is a really LOOOOONG post but it details tramsosmai 's observations of KinFreon's actions post-confession that suggests he has not actually turned over a new leaf and their subsequent conflict.

Basically, KinFreon gets himself banned from a non-Fuku boad, Nan Desu Ka, for being obnoxious, specifically in the "How to Talk to Girls" thread:

"I just don't like whitebread suburbanite yuppies telling me how to live my life, see. Y'all are better off takin' a wrong turn and gettin' rolled, IMO. But hey, we all love anime, so let's pass the forty and have good times."

"So, just because I don't drink the Kool-Aid everyone's drinking, and thus don't universally agree with everyone's opinions, I'm a troll?

Classical logical fallacy. You lose, Buffy."

"I'm not asking questions as much as I'm calling BS on your elitist ideals.

But since I have all the audacity to disagree with the hive mentality, I am in the wrong and deserve to be bukkaked with all of your hot steaming contempt. After all, I'm not rich or white enough. Hegemony is fun, isn't it, kids?"

After this banning, tramsosmai reports that KinFreon posts to his LJ (deleted then undeleted) in reaction to the NDK banning, which she screencaps. The gist:

"I am too bad-ass and gangsta for whitebread, yuppie, sellout, elitist-ass anime fandom. Just too motherfuckin' hardcore. B)

Meanwhile, I know for a fact that chicks dig swagger and just the right amounts of stability (job, car, etc)."

"I'm fuckin' tired of these whitebread yuppie-fuck anime fans telling me how to live my life. And I'm tired of giving a fuck about hate or bannage anymore. I'm fucking hardened. I got love for those who hate. I got respect for those who can tell the difference. I'm too hardcore for their shit, and I am no longer giving a fuck at all."

To this post, tramsosmai comments. In fairness, she screencaps their exchange, which shortly turns vicious.

"That you can be enough of a chauvinistic ass to get yourself banned from practically anything? What's to be surprised about?" ~tramsosmai

"Also, you're not 'gangsta'. You're a fat guy in his late twenties living on the government dole with his buddy in the shithole known as Montana. You don't have fancy cars, you don't have 'bling', you don't have hos, and YOU PROBABLY NEVER WILL." ~tramsosmai

"I see you talkin' some mad shit, [tramsosmai's name]. I'm gonna be nice enough because you're my homey's girlfriend. But if you were anyone else, you'd get beat. See?" ~KinFreon

"You don't have to be white to be 'whitebread'. Whitebread basically entails someone who has sold their soul to corporations & suburbia, and who will do anything beyond their principles for money and popularity. Besides, as I said earlier, ethnic minorities are turned white once they become successful and suburban. It's a little thing called 'Cultural Hegemony'. You should look it up with that expensive schooling of yours." ~KinFreon

KinFreon then proceeds to defriend tramsosmai with parting insults like "little whiney bitch" and this gem:

"I see why women want stability. They're not as strong as they say. They need a wailing wall. That's not equality to me. You don't see [name of KinFreon's 16 year old long distance internet girlfriend] shaking my tree when she feels bad. And you don't see vice versa."

He also sends her a threatening PM (subject: Death Warrant) through Fuku, which tramsosmai screencaps in the same post:

"Since you have bitched me out for the last time, since you have decided to not only forget what your place is, but thumb your nose at it entirely... it is my duty to ruin what you and Sethi [a Fuku poster, KinFreon's roommate and tramsosmai's bf] have. Your relationship with him is finished, and I will see to that.

Do not call here again.

Do not message Sethi.

If you do, I will make your life miserable.

Do you understand your sentence?"

Of course, the comments offer up wank but around half of the comments are deleted (presumably they were KinFreon's comments, which have been deleted with his journal). For this [the threat to tramsosmai], KinFreon is banned from the Fuku boards but not before he makes a farewell post that creates its own drama (http://forums.catsonmars.com/index.php?showtopic=3166)

Mainly, the drama is the controversy over the sudden banning (as the PM is not yet public knowledge) and the emergence of mysterious legal documents of the consequences of KinFreon's behavior at cons mentioned in the first thread. The legal documents (presumably 120 page long restraining orders that were later ToSed by LJ) were posted on the fuckingotaku comm by afreak, who also joined the Fuku boards, specifically to post in KinFreon's last thread. This generates more drama as a Fuku poster, barachem, who is well known for finding troll-baiting amusing proceeds to duke it out with afreak. Subsequently, the thread degenerates into spamming, which also gets barachem banned by the Fuku mods.

On an amusing side note, KinFreon is also compared to GrantM (another, albeit unwanted, Fuku poster and whipping boy responsible for the longest Fuku thread EVER), he of wannabe voice actor fame, and was found wanting as despite his whining, GrantM never made death threats or behaved so badly that he needed to be banned.

It all currently ends with a post in the fuckingotaku comm by barachem (http://community.livejournal.com/fuckingotaku/6616.html).

"I'm banned until 19th of november of 2006, because i disobeyed modular orders by spamming up a thread, boohoo, cry cry."

As of now, KinFreon's whereabouts are unknown. afreak's future actions are a mystery too as s/he seems to have joined in specifically due to a personal grudge against KinFreon. barachem looks like he might return after his parole and the Fuku community seems to have calmed down.

So, to avoid further wank, please do NOT troll! Thank you!

P.S. I realize this is tl;dr and I am not the wittiest of people so this report is probably a bit dry. Please forgive me. I am still just "WTF?" over the amount of posts and controversy it generated though.

Edited for readability.

UPDATE: It looks like KinFreon is back up on the interwebz because his LJ is undeleted. kf_madnavigator. Conversely, tramsosmai 's LJ itself is now deleted.



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[info]morgyne
2006-10-25 10:14 pm UTC (link)
http://www.journalfen.net/community/otf_wank/484761.html

But I do like the new juicy bits at the end >D

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Oops
[info]neridne
2006-10-25 10:16 pm UTC (link)
Oops, I didn't realize it got wanked. I musta missed it. Should I remove it?

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Re: Oops
[info]kahteh
2006-10-25 10:19 pm UTC (link)
You could just keep the new bits at the end, and put a link to the previous wank report, or something...

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Re: Oops
[info]morgyne
2006-10-25 10:20 pm UTC (link)
To be honest, I'm not sure, because I think this is a good write-up of the drama-rama, with the juicy added bits! I just wasn't sure if people knew there was an earlier wank-a-thon or not on this subject.

I'm sure the hive vagina will pass their judgement on this addendum, so we shall leave the fate of your post in their gentle hands.

(was that good? or was I trying too hard to get on your good side? and i <3 the puppppppy)

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Puppy
[info]neridne
2006-10-25 10:22 pm UTC (link)
Puppy was taken from the f_w icon comm and made by big_bad_wolf. I think the previous report is probably wittier but it links to stuff that is now defunct as some of the comments got deleted or locked. I'll add the link though. Thanks!

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Re: Puppy
[info]morgyne
2006-10-25 10:29 pm UTC (link)
Oh no, I think they are both good wank reports :D Yours is like the novella to the previous cliffnotes of the WTFBBQTAKU.

(and thanks for the down-low on the puppy-age!)

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[info]vigilanterodent
2006-10-25 10:23 pm UTC (link)
Would you mind cut-tagging this? I mean, it's hilarious, it's just super long XD

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T_T
[info]neridne
2006-10-25 10:26 pm UTC (link)
I'm sorry, I don't really know how! I know, I suck! T_T

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Re: T_T
[info]smo
2006-10-25 10:26 pm UTC (link)
< lj-cut > Insert your text here < / lj-cut > but take out the spaces.

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Thanks!
[info]neridne
2006-10-25 10:29 pm UTC (link)
Ok, will do. THanks for the tip.

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Re: T_T
[info]littleshebear
2006-10-25 10:30 pm UTC (link)
<lj-cut>

Or

<lj-cut text="Cut for length or whatever text you want to put in">

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Re: T_T
[info]seiberwing
2006-10-26 02:54 am UTC (link)
I want to know what the hell the context is for that.

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Re: T_T
[info]neridne
2006-10-26 03:41 am UTC (link)
For what? If it's something related to the wank, I can perhaps edit the report to be less confusing and more informative.

Sorry, it's my first wank report. :-/

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Re: T_T
[info]seiberwing
2006-10-26 03:49 am UTC (link)
No, no, that icon. Why is Picard naked in bed with Q?

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Re: T_T
[info]crysiana
2006-10-26 04:36 am UTC (link)
Would it help or hurt to know that the dialogue is exactly as it is in the episode?

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Re: T_T
[info]seiberwing
2006-10-26 04:38 am UTC (link)
It depends on what your definition of 'help' is. But why was Q in his bed?

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Re: T_T
[info]misachan
2006-10-26 05:18 am UTC (link)
I don't even think that's the only time Q appears in Picard's bed, to be honest.

But anyway, the scene is from "Tapestry". Picard has a near-death experience, and Q allows him to go back in time to correct some mistakes from his Academy years that Picard had always regretted. In that scene, Picard had just slept with a female friend, and was just starting to realise that it might not have been the best idea.

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Re: T_T
[info]seiberwing
2006-10-26 05:24 am UTC (link)
Q totally wanted Picard, I admit. He was such a flirt.

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Re: T_T
[info]tiye
2006-10-26 03:21 am UTC (link)
Oh man, I love that icon.

Picard/Q -- basically canon.

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Re: T_T
[info]semirecluse
2006-10-26 04:59 am UTC (link)
AIn't that the truth.

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[info]smo
2006-10-25 10:26 pm UTC (link)
Holy damn, this guy's crazier than a Gainax AU on speed.

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[info]visp
2006-10-25 11:22 pm UTC (link)
"I'm fuckin' tired of these whitebread yuppie-fuck anime fans telling me how to live my life. And I'm tired of giving a fuck about hate or bannage anymore. I'm fucking hardened. I got love for those who hate. I got respect for those who can tell the difference. I'm too hardcore for their shit, and I am no longer giving a fuck at all."

Wow. He does realize that he's talking about anime fandom here? I mean, you can talk as "hardened" as you want, you'd look tougher if you were talking about strawberry shortcake dolls.

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[info]wtf
2006-10-25 11:23 pm UTC (link)
KinFreon was recently permabanned from FuKu for physically threatening members and mods on the LJ comm, as seen in the previous wank listed.

HIGH COMEDY, I TELLS YA!

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(Anonymous)
2006-10-26 12:37 am UTC (link)
While I will not post the restraining order here (and the accompanying 120 pages), it is very easy to get ahold of.

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Restraining Order
[info]neridne
2006-10-26 12:42 am UTC (link)
I actually haven't read it but I sorta don't want to. I've contented myself with highlighting stuff in locked posts that people normally wouldn't be able to access without joining the comm.

But I just like the term "mysterious legal documents." Heh. ^_^

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Re: Restraining Order
(Anonymous)
2006-10-26 01:06 am UTC (link)
Is it against ToS to post them here?

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Re: Restraining Order
[info]neridne
2006-10-26 01:56 am UTC (link)
Um... it might not be prudent as it probably has a lot of critical information like real name, contact info, etc.... since it got taken down for LJ abuse too, it's probably likely that JF wouldn't like it either.

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Re: Restraining Order
(Anonymous)
2006-10-26 04:56 am UTC (link)
I'll save you guys the trouble, then. :)

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[info]gal_montag
2006-10-26 01:45 am UTC (link)
Real gangstas would make that dude cry like a bitch. And I doubt it'd take much.

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[info]jetamors
2006-10-26 01:50 am UTC (link)
Hell, a sufficiently motivated thirteen year old girl could probably reduce him to tears in five minutes.

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[info]cinnamonical
2006-10-26 02:01 am UTC (link)
Hell, a sufficiently motivated thirteen year old girl could probably reduce him to tears in five minutes.

Using only a Strawberry Shortcake doll.

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[info]fevered_ego
2006-10-26 02:13 am UTC (link)
I'll have you know that images of a substantially less developed Lulu have just danced through my head.

One of the many signs I've been playing too much FFX this week...

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[info]cinnamonical
2006-10-26 02:15 am UTC (link)
I'll have you know that images of a substantially less developed Lulu have just danced through my head.

Is she still dressed in black or has she shifted to a slightly more rosy color palette for her outfit? 8)

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[info]lady7jane
2006-10-26 03:33 am UTC (link)
I like how that first thread turns into a dating advice column around page 9 or so.

But sheeit, what else am I supposed to do to be able to get the girl and finally fit in?

After that performance? Change everything about yourself.

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[info]velvet_mace
2006-10-26 03:55 am UTC (link)
You know, I actually feel sorry for KinFreon, in a "pity for the crippled" sort of way. Honestly, how many times does that dude have to be beaten to the floor before he realizes that maybe, just maybe, people don't react to him the way he thinks they do. My guess is that he'll be be banned from absolutely everything he loves and lose all his friends before he reality checks his assumptions.

Most people learn from their mistakes. This guy seems to think that if he just repeats them often enough maybe one day a miracle will happen and he'll be right. Sad.

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Totally OT but...
[info]tez
2006-10-26 04:08 am UTC (link)
WHERE did you find that icon? I don't remember that picture at all and it's making me snicker madly.

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Re: Totally OT but...
[info]neridne
2006-10-26 04:21 am UTC (link)
Oh the Ishida icon in the report is made by JadeGirl04 (http://jadegirl04.livejournal.com/)

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[info]isntitironic
2006-10-26 04:46 am UTC (link)
I'm sorry, but nobody can talk like that and not sound like an idiot. I don't care what colour they are. It makes the English language cry.

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[info]semirecluse
2006-10-26 05:09 am UTC (link)
Yes. He sounds like Ghetto!Hemingway. Most unfortunate.

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[info]semirecluse
2006-10-26 05:01 am UTC (link)
Oh, not this guy again.

POSEUR.

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[info]kahteh
2006-10-26 02:59 pm UTC (link)
But he's so funny to watch, he deserves a second thread.

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[info]edana_ni_emer
2006-10-27 11:56 am UTC (link)
KinFreon reminds me of my nephew when he was sixteen or so. He decided he was 'gangsta' while he was still trying to figure out what his dick was for. Being the son of possibly the two most whitebread Michiganders in the universe, he was not terribly successful. One of his most common flaws was trying to brag about how gangsta he was. Being close in age, I mocked him soundly, as he deserved.

He was still more gangsta than KinFreon. KF has all the charm and attitude of an egg-salad sandwhich that doesn't even have any pickles. He's gangsta like Vanilla Ice is gangsta.

And damn the non-interference clause! I'd love the chance to say that to his virtual face and smack him down for whining.

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