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well, at least she's a good-looking spy ([info]blue_penguin) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2006-10-25 17:11:00


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Genre Wars, Episode I: The Erotica-Writer Menace
This wank is pretty short, due to a Modly Being stepping in and freezing all related threads, but it's still sufficiently wanky, so I thought I'd share it.


[NB: The NaNo forums have a system in which the most recent comment is on top, so read bottom to top, last page to first page if you don't want to be terribly confused.]

Over on the NaNoWriMo forums, apparently the Humor & Satire group picks one other genre every year to have a "war" against. The idea behind this is supposedly to have a friendly competition to see who ends up with more finished stories at the end of the month. Doesn't sound so bad, right? At least, that's what I thought at first.

Brian the Hack makes a post asking who they should go after this year. After just one neutral comment, the genre-bashing begins- I won't quote most of it, because it's the same things over and over. "Fantasy writers are dorks and losers! Historical Fiction writers are old and boring! Erotica writers are just plain bad!"

Some special mentions, however:

"Chick lit, because it's written by chicks."

"Simple: Republicans." (They're a genre now? OMG conspiracy!)

"Erotic Fiction! I hate those guys, always making up stuff about my manhood."

Then E. Welch shows up, and has something to say about every genre. S/h/it also seems to be enamored of the word "jerks."

Chick Lit - Well, they make us seem better by having comedy that simply is not funny.

Erotic Fiction - We need these guys. They keep us turned on and wgive us something to do with our hands when we don't feel like writing and we're done drinking.

Fantasy - Pfft. Just like us, these guys try to have totally crazy, out there plots. But their's aren't funny.

Historical Fiction - Good points. Their old, stodgy republicans and we're young liberals.

Horror & Thriller - This would be too easy.

Literary Fiction - Too many of us fit into this genre. I don't know how we would know to seperate each other.

Mystery & Suspense - These guys have plots that are difficult to figure out. Just like we do. Only they try to make them serious. Or our plots are far too simple and theirs are too complicated. Either way, they're jerks.

Religious, Spiritual & New Age - Meh.

Romance - A bunch of jerks, but, they hang out with our allies in the Erotic Fiction front. Maybe we could convert them to have more erotic fiction.

Science Fiction - See fantasy comment. A bunch of jerks.

Young Adult & Youth - These guys are kind of like Swedes. We would feel bad attacking them.

Other Genres - Who the hell are these guys? If they don't pick a side, they're against us.

But, if i have to pick one enemy, it would be those fantasy jerks. Jerks.


A handful of people go "Hey, comedy and fantasy go well together! Just look at Terry Pratchett!"

E. Welch replies with a BPOD that is clearly meant to be funny, but is not, ending with "And if we cruch [sic] erotic fiction, what will we jerk off to?"

Then we get a small political side-wank in which a Republican gets pissed off about E. Welch's "Historical Fiction writers are Republicans!" comment:

Oh yes, please, let us apply the word republican to everything that is not cool because they and they ruined everything and took us into a war more than half the Congress voted for. Oh yes, please, let us. (rolls eyes)

It's your own opinion to hate republicans because of the Bush Adminastration, but please, let's not act like five-year-olds about it.

Thus I have provoked a war of my own. Probably one that I won't answer back to.

Erotic Fiction it is. Because they're democrats. (rolls eyes)


Then that thread is followed by a thread declaring war on Erotic Fiction. A few writers from the Erotic Fiction board show up and comment, but it all seems more or less playful and tongue-in-cheek. Though it's hard to tell with some of them. It gets locked eventually anyway. There's also a post on the Erotic Fiction forum, in which it comes to light that the Humor and Satire people are Just Jealous because the Erotica writers have had more sex than them.

Meanwhile, someone posts a mocking thread about the difference between humor and erotic fiction and E. Welch makes a post that gets locked before anyone can comment (with bonus homophobia!). The erotic fiction writers "rally the troops," plot, and then ATTACK with trash-talking and image macros.

Eventually, a mod posts a stickied reminder that genre wars are not OK, all threads are locked, and that's the end of that.


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[info]esclaramonde
2006-10-26 01:38 am UTC (link)
Whoa. Someone who seemed to actually know who Pterry is said, "Isn't he comedy and not fantasy?"

WHAT BOOKS ARE YOU READING, MAN.

Well, that was the same one who thought all fantasy was high fantasy (and attitude that makes me go *blech").

A+++ wank! I plan to use "jerks" when I want to say "those guys" from now on.

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[info]mcity
2006-10-26 02:19 am UTC (link)
Well, that was the same one who thought all fantasy was high fantasy (and attitude that makes me go *blech").
One of my favorite authours once LJ'd that Harry Potter wasn't fantasy, that it was merely a "fairy tale".

I just sat there and went "whut".

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verthandi
2006-10-26 01:57 am UTC (link)
Pod Six is jerks!



Off-topic, but you can set your settings so that you view oldest posts first--mine's set up that way. You change it by clicking on "edit my profile" and scrolling down until you see "Forum Post Sort Order" on the left and a drop-down arrow menu on the right.

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[info]the_clichemoth
2006-10-26 01:58 am UTC (link)
But what if we want to write something that's both funny and hot...Like clown porn?

I wasn't planning to do clown porn, I was going to do something kinda Gene Wolfe-ish, but now I have a plot chinchilla for some clown porn. They have to be getting up to something in those tiny cars!

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(no subject) - [info]cmikhailovic, 2006-10-26 11:05 pm UTC
Wow
[info]neridne
2006-10-26 02:20 am UTC (link)
The site itself is a cool concept. It's too bad that the participants got wanktastic.

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Re: Wow - [info]dreamoflife02, 2006-10-26 02:56 am UTC
Re: Wow - [info]april_hurst, 2006-10-26 05:27 am UTC
Re: Wow - [info]braidedbaka, 2006-10-26 03:53 pm UTC

[info]caito
2006-10-26 02:51 am UTC (link)
WEEE.

I'm just gratuitously commenting that I'm waaaaay excited for my first NaNoWriMo.

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(Anonymous)
2006-10-26 02:57 am UTC (link)
Does this count towards my wordcount?

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(no subject) - [info]blue_penguin, 2006-10-26 03:00 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2006-10-26 04:51 am UTC (link)
Is it just me, or E. Welch awfully inarticulate for a would-be novelist?

I bet half his final wordcount will be repetitions of "jerk"

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Once - [info]neridne, 2006-10-26 06:45 am UTC
Clarification - [info]neridne, 2006-10-26 06:46 am UTC
Re: Once - (Anonymous), 2006-10-26 03:18 pm UTC
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(Anonymous)
2006-10-26 05:24 am UTC (link)
Oh boy.

Now I'm half-tempted to write a historical novel with elves flying around in UFOs, having sex with everyone/everything just to spite E. Welch.

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[info]smo
2006-10-26 06:26 am UTC (link)
They're a genre now? OMG conspiracy!

Well, Newt Gingrich did write that horrible novel where some woman sits atop a man's chest and makes him do naughty things. (His words, not mine.)

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[info]slavekitty
2006-10-26 07:36 am UTC (link)
Literary Fiction - Too many of us fit into this genre. I don't know how we would know to seperate each other.

No, that doesn't sound like the usual "genres suck, literary fiction is the only true medium" crap genre writers have been hearing for years, not at all.

*forgive my wank, I'm just a disgruntled fantasy writer*

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(Anonymous)
2006-10-26 09:31 am UTC (link)
Historical Fiction - Good points. Their old, stodgy republicans and we're young liberals.

Really? Is that true?
*shelves plans to write pretty historcially acurate gay romances then* And I was really looking forward to that.

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[info]shadowkitty
2006-10-26 12:33 pm UTC (link)
So, who is doing Nano this year? (It's my first.)

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[info]angelhunter
2006-10-26 01:03 pm UTC (link)
I want to bitchslap E.Welch with a large trout.

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[info]seppuku
2006-10-26 02:40 pm UTC (link)
Republicans? Stodgy?

Come on, this party produced Scooter Libby's "He asked if they should fuck the deer."

(The answer is yes.)

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[info]caito
2006-10-26 02:57 pm UTC (link)
I wonder why E. Welch is writing a humor novel. He's not funny at all. At least not in the way he probably intends to be.

And now for a little off-topic: could we create a NaNoWriMo community on JF? Where we can post, like, stuffy stuffs and give each other feedback and what-all? Would anyone join?

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OT - [info]lillyv, 2006-10-26 05:44 pm UTC
Re: OT - [info]blue_penguin, 2006-10-26 07:04 pm UTC
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I would. - [info]the_clichemoth, 2006-10-26 10:16 pm UTC
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[info]wickedwitch
2006-10-26 04:13 pm UTC (link)
This wank is pretty short, due to a Modly Being stepping in and freezing all related threads

Heeey, I was following that.

It all seemed in good fun at the beginning but somehow it got wanky at some point.

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(Anonymous)
2006-10-26 06:24 pm UTC (link)
Either way, they're jerks.

He just cuts right to the heart of the matter, huh. What a stirring manifesto!

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(Anonymous)
2006-10-26 07:51 pm UTC (link)
For Humor and Satire writers they're not particularly funny. Are they only posting there because there is no "Annoying Wanker" forum?

~~ Anonyrat

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[info]lottelita
2006-10-26 09:38 pm UTC (link)
I guess they don't really need us erotica writers, after all -- they can spooge just fine on their own.

*has to sit on hands to prevent herself from linking to this report on the NaNo boards*

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[info]heddychaa
2006-10-26 11:19 pm UTC (link)
historical fiction writers are stodgy old republicans? what's with all this feminist pro-choice stuff I've got here, then? and how come my driver's license says I was born in 1986? clearly I've stolen someone else's identity, and now I've been brainwashed into thinking I'm them! Yeeeearrrghhh!

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[info]visp
2006-10-27 02:55 am UTC (link)
Fantasy - Pfft. Just like us, these guys try to have totally crazy, out there plots. But their's aren't funny.
That's the setting, not the plot, dumbass. A lot of fantasy plots are incredibly simple and predictable.

Historical Fiction - Good points. Their old, stodgy republicans and we're young liberals.
That's a few steps away from "dat lernin's fer sissies!"

Horror & Thriller - This would be too easy.
AKA "I couldn't think up anything to say."

Mystery & Suspense - These guys have plots that are difficult to figure out. Just like we do. Only they try to make them serious. Or our plots are far too simple and theirs are too complicated. Either way, they're jerks.
Again, dangerously close to the "dem thinkin' books be too tough fer de likes o' me and me goat-rogering pals"

Religious, Spiritual & New Age - Meh.
Probably the only genre with so much bad to be said about it [no talent or art to any of it, just thinly veiled proselytizing], and he just skips it over.

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[info]aeanagwen
2006-10-28 09:30 pm UTC (link)
Historical Fiction - Good points. Their old, stodgy republicans and we're young liberals.

Wait, I'm a stodgy old Republican? Why didn't my friends tell me that? Perhaps they wanted to spare me the self-loathing that is even now beginning to set in?

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[info]seiberwing
2006-10-29 08:39 am UTC (link)
This would make an excellent short...story...

Holy shit, I think I just figured out how to do my next writing prompt. *scribbles down ideas*

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[info]viralmemory
2006-10-30 09:36 pm UTC (link)
I don't suppose a comm has been set up? Searching interests doesn't pull anything up, so s'pose not. Who can create JF comms, anyway?

*is a shiny new account holder*

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