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Shannon ([info]bardsong) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2006-11-18 11:45:00


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Current mood:Cliquish
Current music:Judy Collins - Until a Child is Born

Romance novel publishing wank
Romance author Anne Stewart gives an interview with the All About Romance website. The interview is fairly standard. You've had a long publishing history w/a lot of publishers. At one time I thought
your best books were your Avon historicals, but I think your recent MIRA books have
been really good. Talk as openly as you can about the various publishers and how
you feel about your current contract.
Oh, crap. I'm always honest, you know. I've had trouble with publishers all along.
I probably shouldn't have left Avon -- they were for sale at the time I left and
they didn't seem to have a business plan, so I foolishly thought I could do better.
That was right before they started doing everything right. Zebra didn't know what
to do with me. At the time I was with them they seemed to have lost the ability to
sell historical romance -- all their successes were with suspense. They overpaid
me and then let the books disappear. Which devastated me, but at least I learned
that going for the money is not always a Good Thing.
I don't know what the problem was with Signet. I wrote four really really good books
for them, and they started out very enthusiastic, but that enthusiasm waned over
the years. Those are the sort of things that break a writer's heart.
So now I'm with Mira, who promised to love, honor and adore me. And maybe they do,
but they could do more. I know every writer says that, and I hate to be greedy and
ungrateful, but they're not so much about the books. They're about slots and numbers,
not about passion for what they're putting out there. Or so it seems to me. But then,
right now I'm pretty disillusioned about the lack of support from them. I'll get
over it. Maybe they're right and I'm wrong and I'm a middle of the road writer.
No, they're wrong. I'm a goddess.
And maybe I've misjudged them. It seems to me that they look at my books like boxes
of cereal on a shelf, and they're in the business of selling cereal, not loving it.
Rats. You had to ask me that question! Some day I'll learn to be discreet. </blobkquote>

Needless to say, wank follows. First, literary agent and blogger Miss Snark posts an entry naming Stewart as the Nitwit of the day.

Here's a big hunk of clue cake for everyone at the book buffet: don't diss your publisher
in public. Not now, not ever. Not even if you think you're right, especially when
I know you're wrong.
Anne Stuart c
ouches her nitwittery behind "oh I'm always honest" and "someday I'll learn to be
discreet". Honestly Anne, do you think no one from Mira will see this? Well, ok,
maybe you think they should. Why? Do you think they will have some sort of Road to
Damascus moment and leap up to be passionate about selling your work? Been awhile
since you've worked with people if you think that's a good strategy.
Here's why dissing your publisher is stupid. It removes every desire to go the extra
mile for you. Every and any.
You don't have to be grateful for the work people do for your books. Just don't trash
them in public. People aren't doing all you hoped for to help you? Suck it up, welcome
to the real world.
And if by some chance, you DO say something you regret, you call up or email the
interviewer and say "I've been a true nitwit in that comment, please don't post it
(or please delete it)". You can recover from nitwittery if you work fast. Of course
you can compound it by saying "I was right" and "it's only the truth".
And if you want to comment or email me all atwitter about this post here's what I
have to say to you: "I'm always honest". It's not true of course. I've learned that
discretion is the better part of being a grown up.


Most of the comments to Miss Snark’s entry agree with her, but there are some wanky bits here, including my favorite.
Oh god. The snippy rules and regulations of the conglomerate publishing world. I'd
think you'd be grateful if a writer ripped you self-deluded insular overeductaed
mandarins-- if the writer were any good.
Your focus on manners instead of ethics, knowledge, and real talent is why you're
discovering no great writers. You get instead merely the apple-polishing conformists.
What writer of integrity would want anything to do with you and your endless series
of hoops to jump through?
Would a Tolstoy, a Joyce, a Hemingway?
The entire lit-world is set up to shut out the independent voice.
Who are your well-hyped authors? Clueless rich kids named Pessl and Foer?
Are they telling the real story of this nation?
Do they represent authentic American culture?
If you believe they do, it shows how completely clueless the lot of you are.
Thank you.


However, if you want a much better rebuttal to Miss Snark’s column, fellow romance writer Jennifer Crussie delivers the smackdown.

Highlights include an invocation of Snacky’s Law and accusations of sockpuppetry, although at least I think Crussie manages to be funny about it.

Note that apparently Stewart’s publishers responded to her statements, but I can no longer find their comments and will add them in as necessary.


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(Anonymous)
2006-11-18 07:07 pm UTC (link)
...and just when I was thinking writing romance novels would be a good way to pay for college, too.

--sleepy

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[info]semirecluse
2006-11-18 08:00 pm UTC (link)
I thought about doing that for law school, but in the end I decided it would maim my English major soul.

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[info]ymfaery
2006-11-19 02:09 am UTC (link)
Depends on the publisher. A lot of my favorite authors jumped ship from Harlequin/Silhouette in the 90s (which may be related to that clause Crussie mentioned), but they had big enough fanbases to take the risk.

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[info]dhaunea
2006-11-18 07:26 pm UTC (link)
*snickers* Miss Snark has had several remarks on Anne Stewart since that time and, honestly, I have little to no respect for Jennifer Crussie. Anyone who goes on to dissect someone without actually reading more than a single post in their blog (which is labeled anonymous for a very specific set of reasons, which are discussed very openly) causes me to doubt their intelligence.

Way to look like a nitwit.

That's like writing a paper on how the Barkers were good, god-fearing boys and not criminals at all because you read somewhere how their sweet mother got them off of charges by stating that they went to church every Sunday.

... without reading on and discovering that their mother was one of the forces behind the gang.

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[info]bardsong
2006-11-18 07:34 pm UTC (link)
Heh, I haven't read Miss Snark in ages... the whole being out of town thing kind of impeded my blog-reading. But I do agree, Jennifer Crussie does come off badly to me in this instance. I can respect her sticking up for her friends, but sheesh, do your research before you spout off at the mouth. :P

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[info]cleolinda
2006-11-18 09:57 pm UTC (link)
From the Crusie entry:

I’m almost certain Television Without Pity invented snark

O rly?

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[info]ymfaery
2006-11-19 02:11 am UTC (link)
Have you ever read their books? I tried Stuart a couple of times, and Crusie once or twice. Ended up skimming and/or putting the books down. I guess I don't care that much for Stuart's "bad boys turned good" or Crusie's humor.

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[info]semirecluse
2006-11-18 07:36 pm UTC (link)
GIP!

(Also. Anyone who doesn't think that romance publishers treat these books "like boxes of cereal on a shelf" could use some clue cake themselves, methinks.)

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[info]pariforma
2006-11-18 09:28 pm UTC (link)
Great icon! I love the look on her face.

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[info]grapefruitzzz
2006-11-18 07:39 pm UTC (link)
*distracted by boobies*

Is there some sort of "mentioning Tolstoy/Hemingway/Dickens/Shakespeare in a oopular fiction debate on either side" law?

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[info]semirecluse
2006-11-18 07:59 pm UTC (link)
I think "oopular" might be my new favorite typo ever. :)

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(no subject) - [info]grapefruitzzz, 2006-11-19 04:29 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2006-11-18 08:10 pm UTC (link)
Only that it can only be done when referring to Romance Novels.

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[info]bardsong
2006-11-18 08:41 pm UTC (link)
I have no idea who to give credit for the boobie icon. A friend ganked it for me from the Fandom Wank icons community.

And your question was going through my head as I read all that.

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Oops, wrong icon the first time! - [info]puipui, 2006-11-18 10:31 pm UTC
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[info]seraphtrevs
2006-11-18 08:07 pm UTC (link)
Um, do romance publishers really want and/or need a Tolstoy/Hemingway/Joyce? And are they interested in representing "authentic American culture?" I'm kind of thinking no.

Although reading a bodice-ripper by Joyce would be pretty awesome.

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[info]rachelmap
2006-11-19 01:16 am UTC (link)
As long as he wrote it in English, and not that language he invented for Finnegan's Wake.

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(Anonymous)
2006-11-19 02:16 am UTC (link)
Someone posted Joyce-style porn somewhere on [info]lol_meme.

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[info]daylightsparks
2006-11-19 06:42 am UTC (link)
Yes I said yes I will Yes.

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[info]white_serpent
2006-11-18 08:20 pm UTC (link)
For pure wank, don't miss this reply to Jenny.

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[info]julian_black
2006-11-18 09:08 pm UTC (link)
Anne Stuart: "Rats. You had to ask me that question! Some day I'll learn to be discreet."

Wow. Passive-aggressive, much?

Her whininess killed whatever sympathy I might have had for her. So did finding fault with all of her publishers, while failing to acknowledge that her own actions (or inaction) might have been partly to blame for her problems. Any time I hear someone talk about how they've been unlucky in love and all their exes turned out to be assholes, that raises a lot of red flags--and that's true for working relationships, as well. The common denominator in all of the Anne Stuart/publisher relationships described in her reply is Anne Stuart.

That's not to say that authors don't have problems with their publishers; she may indeed have some legitimate complaints. She could have addressed those in a tactful, constructive way that might have been useful to aspiring authors. But instead, she turned her reply into a bitch session about how unappreciated she has been as an author. Saying things like, "I don't know what the problem was with Signet....they started out very enthusiastic, but that enthusiasm waned over the years" tells me she hasn't even bothered to learn why it waned. Did she fail to help promote her books? Did she need a lot of attention or hand-holding? Was she difficult in other ways?

Jenny Crusie's rebuttal? That's a whole lot of tl;dr. And was it too much trouble for Crusie to read a bit more of Miss Snark's blog so she'd understand why MS wrote what she did, in the manner she did? She's completely missed the point of it (as well as MS's valid reasons for remaining anonymous).

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[info]white_serpent
2006-11-18 10:07 pm UTC (link)
These are probably the other links.

http://www.mediabistro.com/galleycat/authors/mira_ignores_authors_griping_with_flair_47131.asp

http://isabelswift.blogspot.com/2006/10/iboasyoull-never-guess-what-it-stands.html

http://www.mediabistro.com/galleycat/litterbox/stuartmira_flap_has_even_more_ironic_closure_47212.asp

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[info]bardsong
2006-11-18 10:34 pm UTC (link)
If I weren't literally about to walk out the door, I would edit the post accordingly. As it is, I'll do it when I get home. But here, have an Internet cookie anyway.

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[info]ymfaery
2006-11-19 02:14 am UTC (link)
...huh.

Just curious: why this was posted here and not in fw? Romance novels count as a fandom last I checked.

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[info]pepperlandgirl4
2006-11-19 07:23 am UTC (link)
I thought Jenny's response was the wankiest part...

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[info]blue_penguin
2006-11-19 09:35 am UTC (link)
Not directly related to the wank, but reading through the interview, I saw this: He's half-Japanese, half American, from a Yakuza (Japanese gangster) background, and he's elegant and deadly. The heroine is Summer Hawthorne, the daughter of Hollywood royalty, a museum curator who's in the wrong place at the wrong time [...]

Is it just me, or does it read like she used the "They Fight Crime" generator to come up with her character descriptions?

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[info]bitca
2006-11-21 04:29 pm UTC (link)
God damn it, it's Crusie!!! /rant

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