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	Re: YOU DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF TACOMA! I DO! frequentmouse 2007-01-04 10:04 pm UTC (link)
	We are also informed in this wank that Littleton, CO is "ghetto." (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: YOU DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF TACOMA! I DO! altoidsaddict 2007-01-04 10:10 pm UTC (link)
	It's indicated on the map by that murder that happened one time, actually. I am nothing else if not a diligent cartographer. Mapquest is scared shitless. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: YOU DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF TACOMA! I DO! altoidsaddict 2007-01-04 10:24 pm UTC (link)
	Though I am embarrassed to admit I didn't even think of it when drawing up this map. The Littleton murder shown on the map is actually an unsolved bowling-alley double murder. And there's also another country club on the other side of where I am, but I guess we could always claim that's ghetto, too, because that's where all the tax-cheat dawgs at. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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frequentmouse
2007-01-04 10:30 pm UTC (link)

I was going to try to make an equivalent map for me, but it's sort of irrelevant; ten years ago there was an outbreak of gang violence, but they've all killed each other/gotten life sentences/joined the Army and it's relatively quiet now.

Of course the Letters column in the Olympian insists that downtown Oly is the most run-down and dangerous place in the world, which just shows you how easy it is to scare people with one boarded up building and about six revolving panhandlers.

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	Re: YOU DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF TACOMA! I DO! altoidsaddict 2007-01-04 10:39 pm UTC (link)
	Is that all it takes? Man, Osama bin Laden's going through so much effort, when really he should buy a house in the middle of the Hamptons and stock it full of homeless people and crackheads. Our upper-upper class would plummet and go crazy and take our economy with it quicker than you can say "property values." (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: YOU DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF TACOMA! I DO! sheep 2007-01-04 11:04 pm UTC (link)
	Heh. Ah, London. My map would be covered in lots and lots of Red Circles of Crime. Only recently I had to walk past two Yellow Crime Notices of Doom on my way home. Those Red Circles of Crime and Yellow Crime Notices of Doom should get together and make hot sweet lovin' while comparing crime stats. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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frequentmouse
2007-01-04 11:17 pm UTC (link)

One reason I posted this is because I was this >< close to wanking at

gomezticator on the subject of "almost being mugged:" my husband and I were followed from Westlake Center to Pioneer Square by a couple of extremely shady types who went away when we found a cop to stand next to: in Seattle, on a Sunday afternoon. But, yeah: cities are dense, there are parts of them that can be tricky to navigate, and parts where you can forget to lock your dorr overnight and not worry too much about it.

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	Re: YOU DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF TACOMA! I DO! sheep 2007-01-04 11:32 pm UTC (link)
	You were that close?! I have been mugged, among other things! Others have been through much worse. I could only laugh at the 'I was almost mugged comment', otherwise I might have to track him down and show him what crime really is, with the aid of a nail encrusted clue-by-four. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: YOU DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF TACOMA! I DO! frequentmouse 2007-01-05 12:44 am UTC (link)
	Well, I once got hit by a flying stereo speaker when my house was being robbed- in Olympia, in the South Capital neighborhood. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: YOU DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF TACOMA! I DO! sheep 2007-01-05 12:49 am UTC (link)
	I'd hate to have my house robbed, I don't think I would ever feel safe in my own home again. A flying speaker...? No, I'm fairly sure I don't want details. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	Re: YOU DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF TACOMA! I DO! rimrunner 2007-01-17 02:18 am UTC (link)
	Somebody tried to mug me in downtown Seattle once, but he was extremely drunk and forgot what he was doing after I shoved him. ...yeah. There wasn't much to that story, really. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: YOU DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF TACOMA! I DO! big_bad_wolf 2007-01-05 02:57 am UTC (link)
	Hee, I live in a NICE area of London and we had one of those lovely Yellow Crime Notices at the end of my road. Murder! It was very exciting. And the, uh, park behind my house is rapey. "Serious Sexual Assault" has stopped really meaning anything now. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: YOU DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF TACOMA! I DO! cellardoor28 2007-01-05 04:39 pm UTC (link)
	Dont forget that when I was living in my nice area Kevin Spacey was mugged yards from my house! Clearly I was in the GHETTO man! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: YOU DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF TACOMA! I DO! big_bad_wolf 2007-01-06 12:00 am UTC (link)
	Kevin Spacey was "mugged". I don't think you're allowed to say it without the airquotes. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: YOU DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF TACOMA! I DO! tez 2007-01-04 11:48 pm UTC (link)
	Downtown Oly is the most run-down dangerous place in the world? Jesus. I really dunno if the clientele of my upscale furniture shop think that. In other news, I used to work on South Tacoma Way. Now THAT part of Tacoma is legitimately ghetto. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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frequentmouse
2007-01-05 12:41 am UTC (link)

People are going ON about boarded up storefronts, of which there are...one? There's a 10-15% retail vacancy rate, which my real estate investor sources say is barely adequate to welcome new businesses. And since every parking lot in our fair sprawl has its member of the sign-holding class, the fact that there's a few smelly guys down-town trying to bum cigarettte money is, like, not a sign of ghettoization.

(But tell that to Jeff Kingsbury)

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tez
2007-01-05 12:48 am UTC (link)

There's ONE. The burned-out office supply shop that they're still having property wrangling over. A couple of others could use a facelift, but they're not exactly condemned for crying out loud. There's no business turnover, really. The guys looking for money aren't even that bad! There's a couple homeless guys outside the store and they're totally nice and hell, they offer snacky cakes.

(You tried telling Jeff anything lately? Yeesh. It's like pulling teeth with single-ply thread.)

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	Re: YOU DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF TACOMA! I DO! frequentmouse 2007-01-05 03:26 am UTC (link)
	(You tried telling Jeff anything lately? Yeesh. It's like pulling teeth with single-ply thread.) Haven't actually seen him since Casey Raiha's final high-school appearance. I'm sort of glad to have stepped back from the theatrical crowd. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: YOU DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF TACOMA! I DO! tez 2007-01-05 06:11 am UTC (link)
	I see him more in the political arena than the theatrical one, personally. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: YOU DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF TACOMA! I DO! visp 2007-01-05 06:53 am UTC (link)
	Olympia's full of fucking hippies! There's nothing remotely dangerous about it unless you're allergic to herbs and moonstone. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: YOU DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF TACOMA! I DO! tez 2007-01-05 06:57 am UTC (link)
	I dunno, the LaRouche people are kinda scary. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: YOU DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF TACOMA! I DO! visp 2007-01-05 07:01 am UTC (link)
	They just make your head hurt with lack of logic - nothing really threatening. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	Re: YOU DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF TACOMA! I DO! rimrunner 2007-01-17 02:16 am UTC (link)
	Shit. I just spent three weeks in Bangkok and Cambodia, but I wouldn't even have to have done that to assert that much as I love this area, PNWers really should leave it once in awhile. I've yet to encounter anywhere in Seattle, Tacoma, or Olympia as alarming as, say, southeast D.C. at 2 a.m. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: YOU DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF TACOMA! I DO! altoidsaddict 2007-01-04 10:27 pm UTC (link)
	Okay, I am so friggin' amused by the guy who's all "I lived in Littleton, and it is most certainly a ghetto." HAHAHAHA no. And his profile indicates that he lived in Littleton for a grand total of two years in middle school. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: YOU DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF TACOMA! I DO! brown_betty 2007-01-05 05:56 am UTC (link)
	Wow, according to wikipedia, a whole 6% of the population in Littleton is below the poverty line. That's ghetto, right there. (Reply to this)(Parent)

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