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seiberwing ([info]seiberwing) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2007-01-05 00:11:00


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This is one of the not-fun wanks.
I'm going to quote from Comcast's newspage to give a summary of what's going on here, in an attempt to stay impartial.


6 hours ago

CHICAGO - In a case fraught with ethical questions, the parents of a severely mentally and physically disabled child have stunted her growth to keep their little "pillow angel" a manageable and more portable size.

The bedridden 9-year-old girl had her uterus and breast tissue removed at a Seattle hospital and received large doses of hormones to halt her growth. She is now 4-foot-5; her parents say she would otherwise probably reach a normal 5-foot-6.

The case has captured attention nationwide and abroad via the Internet, with some decrying the parents' actions as perverse and akin to eugenics. Some ethicists question the parents' claim that the drastic treatment will benefit their daughter and allow them to continue caring for her at home.

University of Pennsylvania ethicist Art Caplan said the case is troubling and reflects "slippery slope" thinking among parents who believe "the way to deal with my kid with permanent behavioral problems is to put them into permanent childhood."

Right or wrong, the couple's decision highlights a dilemma thousands of parents face in struggling to care for severely disabled children as they grow up.

"This particular treatment, even if it's OK in this situation, and I think it probably is, is not a widespread solution and ignores the large social issues about caring for people with disabilities," Dr. Joel Frader, a medical ethicist at Chicago's Children's Memorial Hospital, said Thursday. "As a society, we do a pretty rotten job of helping caregivers provide what's necessary for these patients."

The case involves a girl identified only as Ashley on a blog her parents created after her doctors wrote about her treatment in October's Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine. The journal did not disclose the parents' names or where they live; the couple do not identify themselves on their blog, either.

Shortly after birth, Ashley had feeding problems and showed severe developmental delays. Her doctors diagnosed static encephalopathy, which means severe brain damage. They do not know what caused it.

Her condition has left her in an infant state, unable to sit up, roll over, hold a toy or walk or talk. Her parents say she will never get better. She is alert, startles easily, and smiles, but does not maintain eye contact, according to her parents, who call the brown-haired little girl their "pillow angel."

She goes to school for disabled children, but her parents care for her at home and say they have been unable to find suitable outside help.

An editorial in the medical journal called "the Ashley treatment" ill-advised and questioned whether it will even work. But her parents say it has succeeded so far.

She had surgery in July 2004 and recently completed the hormone treatment. She weighs about 65 pounds, and is about 13 inches shorter and 50 pounds lighter than she would be as an adult, according to her parents' blog.

"Ashley's smaller and lighter size makes it more possible to include her in the typical family life and activities that provide her with needed comfort, closeness, security and love: meal time, car trips, touch, snuggles, etc.," her parents wrote.

Also, Ashley's parents say keeping her small will reduce the risk of bedsores and other conditions that can afflict bedridden patients. In addition, they say preventing her from going through puberty means she won't experience the discomfort of periods or grow breasts that might develop breast cancer, which runs in the family.


Of course there's arguements from all sides.

Who exactly is this hurting? The parents have made a lot of good points. How on earth will Ashley cope with having the body of a grown woman, when her mind has been left far behind? Three months old is a mindset none of us can remember and therefore really understand.

As has been said earlier, what point is there of sitting in judgement of people who are living a life we've never tried? Maintaining the status quo with Ashley's physical state will surely help her.

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For these parents to shamelessly mutilate their daughter in order to make her care less challenging is barbaric and shocking. In their utilitarian singlemindedness, they have stripped Ashley of her very human identity and rendered her a grisly, sad abomination. All responsible for allowing this ghastly act should be punished severely.
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I�m with cannibalcritic on this one - such a severely brain-damaged girl should have been killed humanely as soon as the permanence of her condition was made clear. Surely what makes us human is our consciousness, that is, our self-awareness (beyond that of an animal-like ability to sense pain and bodily functions)? Denied this humanity, this poor girl is now, due to medical advances, having her humanity diminished still further. I understand the practical implications for this, but when a human being is so disabled as for it to be beneficial for them to remain undeveloped, to have their physical humanity denied them, in my opinion the kindest operation for him/her would be a euthanistic one.

If anyone finds a related incident, I'll stick it up here too.




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[info]ladyofviolets
2007-01-05 01:11 pm UTC (link)
... I have no words. Truly, I have NO words.

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[info]kaen
2007-01-05 01:15 pm UTC (link)
At first when I read the second sentence my brain skipped the words "at a Seattle hospital" for some reason, and I thought the article was going to be talking about the authorities finding the girl sometime after her parents had pulled out the kitchen knives and did some homebrew surgery.

The relief when I reached the next part mentioning the hospital kind've overwhelmed most negative feelings I might otherwise have felt.

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(no subject) - iwanttobeasleep, 2007-01-06 12:11 am UTC

[info]gal_montag
2007-01-05 01:43 pm UTC (link)
I read this, and I'm really hard pressed to think of a reason why it's necessary for her to exist as an adult with the mind of an infant. I'm not sure how her inability to grow tall of develop breasts makes her less human.

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(no subject) - [info]fevered_ego, 2007-01-05 01:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]gal_montag, 2007-01-05 02:15 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]fevered_ego, 2007-01-05 04:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]gal_montag, 2007-01-05 04:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rosehiptea, 2007-01-05 06:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]gal_montag, 2007-01-06 01:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rosehiptea, 2007-01-06 04:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]gal_montag, 2007-01-06 04:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rosehiptea, 2007-01-06 04:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]marumae, 2007-01-06 05:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rosehiptea, 2007-01-06 06:01 am UTC
(no subject) - iwanttobeasleep, 2007-01-06 07:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rosehiptea, 2007-01-06 06:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rosehiptea, 2007-01-06 06:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nicolae, 2007-01-06 08:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rosehiptea, 2007-01-06 05:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]loopywafflehead, 2007-01-07 05:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]loopywafflehead, 2007-01-07 05:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rosehiptea, 2007-01-07 06:37 pm UTC
Like Tomagutchi, but not really... no. Not at all, actually. - [info]t_boy, 2007-01-06 04:18 pm UTC
Re: Like Tomagutchi, but not really... no. Not at all, actually. - [info]loonylupinlover, 2007-01-14 07:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - iwanttobeasleep, 2007-01-06 12:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]also_not_a_pipe, 2007-01-06 02:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2007-01-06 05:36 pm UTC

[info]shadowkitty
2007-01-05 02:22 pm UTC (link)
So. Human bonsai kitten, then?

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(no subject) - [info]apoplexia, 2007-01-05 03:15 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]symbeline, 2007-01-05 04:13 pm UTC

[info]cjk
2007-01-05 03:25 pm UTC (link)
This is awful. We have close friends with a severely disabled daughter. She is on hormone treatments as well, so that she won't menstruate and can't get pregnant if she's raped. I can understand the reasoning behind it all: she is 25 and has a three-year-old's mind, there is no way she can deal with an adult body if she doesn't even know when to go to the toilet. It's horrible whichever way you look at it.

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[info]dana
2007-01-05 04:03 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I heard this on the radio. I wanted to break things.

It hurt my head, so now I'm going to think about my trip to England, and how much I adore my kitten.

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[info]symbeline
2007-01-05 04:12 pm UTC (link)
I don't see why having her breasts hacked off was necessary, but keeping her small in size seems practical given the situation.

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(no subject) - [info]fevered_ego, 2007-01-05 04:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]meatfight, 2007-01-05 06:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]seppuku, 2007-01-05 07:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]suzycat, 2007-01-06 09:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]edgyspice, 2007-01-05 08:28 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]meatfight, 2007-01-05 08:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]indis_earfalas, 2007-01-06 09:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]queencallipygos, 2007-01-05 08:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]marciamarcia, 2007-01-06 12:11 am UTC
Ouch. - [info]fevered_ego, 2007-01-06 04:57 am UTC
Re: Ouch. - iwanttobeasleep, 2007-01-06 07:10 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]fevered_ego, 2007-01-06 04:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]stella_polaris, 2007-01-06 06:24 am UTC
(no subject) - iwanttobeasleep, 2007-01-06 07:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]frequentmouse, 2007-01-06 05:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]frequentmouse, 2007-01-06 08:31 pm UTC

[info]freezer
2007-01-05 04:46 pm UTC (link)
The Question Club and (for some reason) CF_Hardcore have weighed in.

TQC is heated, but reasonable. cf_h... I only stumbled across it via the Friend of Friends function, so I don't know how stupid it's gotten, and I don't intend to find out.

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(no subject) - [info]gal_montag, 2007-01-05 05:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nanthimus, 2007-01-05 06:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]fevered_ego, 2007-01-06 05:10 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]black_spot, 2007-01-05 08:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]seppuku, 2007-01-05 09:40 pm UTC

[info]annabelle_lee
2007-01-05 06:09 pm UTC (link)
Hear that high-pitched whistling sound? That's the sound of my faith in humanity zooming down towards the molten core of the Earth. Eventually, it will hit, burn up, and leave me hating the world and everyone in it.

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(no subject) - [info]thesilentsenshi, 2007-01-05 06:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]annabelle_lee, 2007-01-05 07:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]shadowkitty, 2007-01-05 07:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]annabelle_lee, 2007-01-05 07:26 pm UTC
This phrase always did bug me... - [info]t_boy, 2007-01-06 04:20 pm UTC
Re: This phrase always did bug me... - [info]annabelle_lee, 2007-01-06 04:40 pm UTC
Re: This phrase always did bug me... - [info]t_boy, 2007-01-06 05:09 pm UTC
Re: This phrase always did bug me... - [info]annabelle_lee, 2007-01-06 05:27 pm UTC
Re: This phrase always did bug me... - [info]t_boy, 2007-01-07 01:43 am UTC

[info]phosfate
2007-01-05 06:43 pm UTC (link)
How on earth will Ashley cope with having the body of a grown woman, when her mind has been left far behind?

Paris Hilton does okay. Of course, she's got money out the ass...

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(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2007-01-05 06:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2007-01-05 07:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2007-01-05 07:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2007-01-05 07:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2007-01-05 07:15 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]snacky, 2007-01-05 11:26 pm UTC
OTF needs kittens. I provide.
[info]thesilentsenshi
2007-01-05 07:08 pm UTC (link)
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Me too! - [info]randomsome1, 2007-01-05 07:53 pm UTC
Re: Me too! - [info]judyhazeleyes, 2007-01-05 08:32 pm UTC
Re: Me too! - [info]rosehiptea, 2007-01-05 09:08 pm UTC
Re: Me too! - [info]shadowkitty, 2007-01-05 09:25 pm UTC
Re: Me too! - [info]randomsome1, 2007-01-06 09:06 am UTC
Re: OTF needs kittens. I provide. - [info]amyheartssiroc, 2007-01-05 08:52 pm UTC
Re: OTF needs kittens. I provide. - [info]llama_treats, 2007-01-05 09:05 pm UTC
Re: OTF needs kittens. I provide. - [info]puipui, 2007-01-05 09:17 pm UTC
Re: OTF needs kittens. I provide. - [info]rotten_fish, 2007-01-05 09:24 pm UTC
Re: OTF needs kittens. I provide. - [info]soupspooks, 2007-01-05 10:07 pm UTC
Re: OTF needs kittens. I provide. - [info]marumae, 2007-01-06 05:46 am UTC

[info]ceadsearc
2007-01-05 07:34 pm UTC (link)
The only thing I can say is there is a serious need for reforming the way families with severely handicapped children/members are helped and supported.

Also: the parents would have never been able to do this without doctors.

There are pros and cons and I think while some of it might have been justifiable, I would like to know what the doctors were thinking about this whole thing. I know some that would do anything to have something to publish in the leding medical journals.

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(no subject) - [info]seppuku, 2007-01-05 07:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ceadsearc, 2007-01-05 07:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - iwanttobeasleep, 2007-01-06 06:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jyuu, 2007-01-05 09:24 pm UTC

[info]rotten_fish
2007-01-05 08:50 pm UTC (link)
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You have displeased Gremlin!kitten, Seiberwing!

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(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2007-01-05 09:18 pm UTC

[info]sailorjpg
2007-01-05 09:23 pm UTC (link)
I heard about this yesterday.
The funny thing is that my finaly reaction was
"It was a social experiment. There is no Ashley....wait..I've been reading F_W too much."

I will use my boobie icon, thinking of the girl.

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[info]black_spot
2007-01-05 10:26 pm UTC (link)
My father had Alzheimer’s and a late onset form of muscular dystrophy. It fair broke my mother’s heart having to put him in a home. If it was just one thing, she said she could have coped; having both was just too much. It hurt living too far away to be of any use. Seeing him was painful and wishing him to die was even worse.

I’ve cleaned my Gran’s butt after accidents; she was small and could move a bit, which made it easier. It was the lack of dignity that upset her the most. At least Ashley will always be treated as a child and that makes it easier for her and her carers for them to retain some small amount of dignity in life.

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[info]the_clichemoth
2007-01-05 11:44 pm UTC (link)
I have no problem whatsoever with what this family is doing. It seems necessary, really. However, I would be totally repulsed by this if the girl's condition was even a little less catastrophic than it is.

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iwanttobeasleep
2007-01-06 12:03 am UTC (link)
Is it wrong that I don't see anything wrong with these parents? It's not like she can comprehend what's happening, and the parents seem to have perfectly fine motives. She can't even move significantly, so as long as she's healthy, it hardly matters if her parents want to keep her child-like, it's not like she has Downs and could go on to live a semi-adult life. I can't imagine ever being in their shoes and having to take care of the equivalent of a baby for the rest of her natural life. I say kudos to them for taking care of her at all, I don't know if I could, or if I did it would be because of the guilt I'd suffer if I didn't.

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(no subject) - [info]luthe, 2007-01-06 03:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]visp, 2007-01-06 04:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2007-01-06 05:37 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]visp, 2007-01-07 11:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]stella_polaris, 2007-01-06 06:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]enoh, 2007-01-06 08:33 pm UTC

[info]marciamarcia
2007-01-06 12:17 am UTC (link)
Does anyone know where the parents' blog is? I'd actually like to read that.

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(no subject) - [info]suziecroft, 2007-01-06 12:27 am UTC
Goddamn it, otf_wank.
[info]ladybirdsleeps
2007-01-06 02:25 am UTC (link)
I really enjoyed reading everyone's opinions on this issue. EXCEPT NOT.

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Re: Goddamn it, otf_wank. - [info]breecita, 2007-01-06 03:21 am UTC
Re: Goddamn it, otf_wank. - [info]agent_hyatt, 2007-01-06 05:52 am UTC
Re: Goddamn it, otf_wank. - [info]breecita, 2007-01-06 02:18 pm UTC
Re: Goddamn it, otf_wank. - [info]dragonfangirl, 2007-01-06 05:41 pm UTC
Re: Goddamn it, otf_wank. - [info]ladybirdsleeps, 2007-01-06 08:23 pm UTC
Re: Goddamn it, otf_wank. - wolfie_thu, 2007-01-08 11:25 pm UTC

[info]sadisticferret
2007-01-06 06:27 am UTC (link)
Well, this is fucking depressing.

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[info]slavekitty
2007-01-06 07:01 am UTC (link)
totally inappropriate comment

Upon reading, I was suddenly reminded of suitcase girl. And no, unless you're a gurochan fan, you don't want to know.

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[info]arielchan
2007-01-06 07:07 pm UTC (link)
... Bonsai Kiddo?

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[info]katarin
2007-01-06 09:44 pm UTC (link)
As I'm not a cat person (nothing personal, just like breathing too much to really appreciate cats) some one on my f-list donated some puppy pictures for me to look at instead of think about this.

I know share the PUPPIES with you

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[info]morgyne
2007-01-07 02:07 am UTC (link)
But is is kosher?

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(no subject) - [info]morgyne, 2007-01-07 02:07 am UTC

[info]sarai
2007-01-10 01:42 pm UTC (link)
LULZ [info]seiberwing. Try to think more caarefully next time before deeming anything Otf_wank, k?

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