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itsirtou ([info]itsirtou) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2007-01-10 17:28:00


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Over at the libertarianism community on ElJay, [info]lefthandedninja asks, "Do you think possessing child pornography should be a crime?"  in reaction to this article.  (Apparently, instead of turning in his final exam, some dumbass turned in a CD full of child porn.)

Fantastic.

[info]kadeshaderow gets things started off the right way by asking, "Are you fucking retarded?" and then continues to splooge all over the place.  (Now with bolding and underlining action!) 

The wank then moves on to whether or not the age of consent is arbitrary, and whether that even pertains to the subject at hand since the CD turned in contained pictures of very young children.

[info]vox_soli feels the need to tl;dr to the max about how she is an anarchist and actually SAYS, "I more or less think that it's okay as long as the child in question has a sufficiently mature understanding of the whole idea of sexuality to consent and there isn't any question of coercion or undue influence from an authority figure."   She, [info]cyclotron, and [info]ragnarok20 go on to have a nice healthy debate over whether or not you can define a law if you don't actually believe in laws.

But!  [info]ragnarok20 simply cannot take this lying down!  Instead of replying on the first post, he has to make a whole new post about how big of an idiot [info]kadeshaderow is.

Thankfully, this post looks semi splooge-free at the moment, but the second the usual suspects show up, it'll explode, mark my words. 



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But where is the REAL logic?
[info]vengeance_bean
2007-01-11 03:55 am UTC (link)
Marijuana is currently illegal, and to some for good reasons. Hemp comes from the same plant. Buying hemp therefore encourages the growth of this plant, and encourages the growt of marijuana. Therefore buying or possessing hemp should be illegal.

Okay, now, let's put "child pornography" in there as the commenter intends...

...

...anything but child porn come from taking pictures/video of children being exploited sexually?

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Re: But where is the REAL logic?
[info]aposiopetic
2007-01-11 04:09 am UTC (link)
...art films?


Oh god oh god why did I have to think that. Now I've got that wasp part from the Cremaster series stuck in my head getitout.

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Re: But where is the REAL logic?
[info]seiberwing
2007-01-11 04:50 am UTC (link)
Sometimes I think they should also be outlawed.

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Re: But where is the REAL logic?
[info]taktuk
2007-01-11 05:22 am UTC (link)
Nightmares?

I think I've been in these comms too long. Now I want to make an icon that says, "Child porn makes Lord Morpheus cry." and I have nothing at all I can blame the random thought on, aside from slight tiredness. I haven't even had much SUGAR.

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Re: But where is the REAL logic?
[info]dragonfangirl
2007-01-11 05:50 am UTC (link)
Wait, so child pornography is "marijuana," and "hemp" is...

...

I'm not seeing the logic here.

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Re: But where is the REAL logic?
[info]digigirl132
2007-01-11 09:59 pm UTC (link)
I think "sex with children" is marijuana, and "child pornography" is hemp.

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Re: But where is the REAL logic?
[info]dragonfangirl
2007-01-11 11:40 pm UTC (link)
Ah. So in this analogy they're supposing that you can get hemp directly from the marijuana seeds, without ever actually growing "marijuana."

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Re: But where is the REAL logic?
[info]digigirl132
2007-01-12 12:09 am UTC (link)
I suppose so. I don't really know, that's just how I tried to make sense of the analogy.

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Re: But where is the REAL logic?
[info]damnedfallacy
2007-01-11 05:59 am UTC (link)
Clearly, getting high and eating all your friend's pizza while noticing that you've never really looked at your toenails before is exactly like completely destroying a child's innocence for fun and profit.

~kills it with fire~

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Re: But where is the REAL logic?
[info]nicolae
2007-01-11 09:04 am UTC (link)
One of these things is much more fun than the other.

Three guesses.

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Re: But where is the REAL logic?
[info]damnedfallacy
2007-01-11 05:17 pm UTC (link)
I'll take The Munchies for $400, Alex.

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Re: But where is the REAL logic?
[info]jerel
2007-01-11 04:54 pm UTC (link)
Oh yeah, I see where the two are totally similar. In the fact they are completely not.

It's like trying to reason with a three-year-old. Except with a three-year-old, you expect the logic to be lacking.

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Re: But where is the REAL logic?
[info]damnedfallacy
2007-01-11 05:16 pm UTC (link)
Well, and little kids can give you the boo-boo lip of doom in support of any argument.

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Re: But where is the REAL logic?
[info]nicolae
2007-01-12 02:00 am UTC (link)
They're not trying to reason with three-year-olds...

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Re: But where is the REAL logic?
[info]ghostmaster
2007-01-11 05:04 pm UTC (link)
I can't find that comment, so I have no idea about the context. But is there any way whatsoever that the lack of coherence was the point? That he was just being sarcastic? I'm probably just overthinking to keep it from breaking my brain completely.

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Re: But where is the REAL logic?
[info]vengeance_bean
2007-01-12 01:11 am UTC (link)
Here's the comment!

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Re: But where is the REAL logic?
[info]ghostmaster
2007-01-12 04:38 pm UTC (link)
Darn it. And I was so hopeful, too.

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Re: But where is the REAL logic?
[info]frequentmouse
2007-01-11 07:19 pm UTC (link)
These people need to be led by the hand to the first chapter of the logic book, right there in the first sentence of the first chapter where it says "Arguing from a false assumption cannot lead to a true conclusion even when the rest of train of logic is without fallacy."

Dimbulbs.

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Re: But where is the REAL logic?
[info]nicolae
2007-01-12 02:01 am UTC (link)
I'm 99% sure this isn't what the commenter means, but it's possible to get child porn without real children if it's computer generated. That's actually an interesting debate. Anything involving actually hurting actual children? Not so much.

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