TQC gender-wank!
*stolen from a mousie on wank_report*

So, katyowns asks thequestionclub if it's ok to let her son wear a skirt to school. Most of the answers are *gasp!* reasonable, but there are always a few wankers in the bunch.

redlightlove starts off the party by proclaiming boys only wear skirts if they're fairies. People of course call him on this, and he backpedals with the classic "I was doing it for the LULZ." redlightlove then makes it to stupid_free (which stays amazingly free of wank).

Next up, we have renewedme, proclaiming that the kid needs to go to therapy to find the "root" of his problem. Anyone else having "But I'm a Cheerleader" flashbacks? Continuing on this theme, she states that dressing as the opposite sex could come from "underlying problems" and that she sees "nothing wrong with our society's attitudes toward gender at all." There is another round of "Bitch, plz" from those assembled. There's also a discussion on whether ten year-olds understand sexuality and gender identity, culminating in accusations of repression.

Finally, supernovacaine gets in on the action, wondering why transsexuals can't just wear goddamn pants like all the other women in the world.

Personally, I'm just in favor of clothing that keeps the naughty bits covered. At least on most people. Jeri Ryan is allowed to wear as little clothing as she likes.

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	gal_montag 2007-01-18 04:28 am UTC (link)
	I'm always encouraging the guys I work with to wear skirts because they can't wear shorts, but there's nothing that says that can't wear skirts. PS - redlightlove? Sarcasm doesn't translate on the internets, but I got that you're a complete asshole loud and clear. Funny thing. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	seiberwing 2007-01-18 04:49 am UTC (link)
	I think there's a teen book about that. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	gal_montag 2007-01-18 04:55 am UTC (link)
	I think I remember that book, but I don't remember the title. Where they couldn't wear shorts to school, so a group of boys wore skirts and won the right to wear shorts. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	seiberwing 2007-01-18 04:56 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, only there was a big fight over it with teh ebil principal before that. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2007-01-22 12:51 am UTC (link)
	The Obnoxious Jerks, I think, unless there were two books with that plot. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	gal_montag 2007-01-22 02:21 am UTC (link)
	That was the book! I must've read that a million years ago. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sisterelwood 2007-01-18 05:29 am UTC (link)
	So wait... because I wore boys clothes as a kid I have gender identity issues or whatever? Shit, I need help and fast then! I'm really glad renewedme isn't my mother. I would probably slap her. (Reply to this)

innsmouth_eyes 2007-01-18 05:36 am UTC (link)

The thing that I keep hearing every time this question comes up is "Kids are too young to understand sexual/gender identities" but it always comes up when a kid challenges the established gender roles. When kids wear what they're "supposed" to, nobody thinks, "Girls shouldn't be acting like girls, they're too young to know they're girls!" If people really didn't believe a boy or girl can think of themselves in terms of gender, they'd insist on gender neutral clothes and toys for all kids. Which would be fine with me. Let the little bastards figure it out themselves. Oh, yeah, and renewedme is a bitch. First she says "Boy wearing a skirt will get beat up" then says "I see nothing wrong with our attitudes about sex" and then denies that she thinks it's the tranny's own damn fault if he gets beat up for wearing a dress. (Reply to this)(Thread)

chibikaijuu 2007-01-18 06:46 pm UTC (link)

My parents tried the gender-neutral stuff on me (okay, when I was a baby baby there were dresses and frilly caps, but only to please the relatives, and even then, there was NO PINK). Once I got a little bigger it was sweats and jumpsuits and rompers and overalls, usually in fairly gender-neutral colors, though a lot of the hand-me-downs were very girly, and I had a frilly pink sweater that someone had hand-knit as a gift, so I wore that. Of course, I promptly decided that my favorite color was purple, purple, purple (when we moved from SF to San Jose in '89, my parents had my room custom painted in shades of purple and lavender for me), and insisted on wearing skirts a good chunk of the time. And then climbing trees and playing baseball and wrestling in the dirt. So my parents insisted the dresses be sturdy cotton and that I wear fairly thick leggings underneath them so I wouldn't come back home all torn up. I still wear lots of skirts, and I like girly jeans. But I can still kick my brother's ass. (Reply to this)(Parent)

thesilentsenshi 2007-01-18 05:42 am UTC (link)

boys only wear skirts if they're fairies. If that was true we'd all have been more worried about my little cousin on Christmas. His relatives or friends of the family sent him a kilt. He didn't even seem to notice. Of course he's still too young for school. PS: He's cute enough to be a fairy. If only he had little wings. He has the most adorable chubby cheeks. I'd swear he was a little cherub. My views will probably change once he's learned to talk, though. ^_^ (Reply to this)

	dragonfangirl 2007-01-18 06:07 am UTC (link)
	wondering why transsexuals can't just wear goddamn pants like all the other women in the world. I... I know I should not find that funny, but somehow I do. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	luthe 2007-01-18 06:28 am UTC (link)
	We aim to please! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	jenny_atrox 2007-01-18 06:35 am UTC (link)
	...I love trans people, but maybe the kid just likes the look of skirts. maybe it's jut a kid's random mood. Am I alone in thinking this? (Reply to this)(Thread)

v_digitalwytch 2007-01-18 08:53 am UTC (link)

My son who was 4 at the time went through a thing where he wanted to play with Barbies and braid hair. My now ex had a fit over it and started ranting about 'teh ghey'. To me, a doll's a doll and being able to do braids is a very useful skill when you or someone you're with has long hair, so I let my son practice until I felt my hair was going to fall out with braiding and let him play with the dolls. I told my now ex that first off, our son's probably too young to comprehend orientation, and if it does turn out he's gay, he's still my son and whoever breaks his heart will be facing Wrath of Mom. The ex shut up about the subject and the next year our son could've cared less about dolls. He still does a better job braiding my hair than I do. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

priestesspadfoo 2007-01-18 12:18 pm UTC (link)

LOL. When mine was two, he used to wrap himself in a sheet and waltz daintily around the house, declaring, "I'm the American woman!" I was unaware he was mimicking a Pocahontas trailer with voiceover by Roy Disney referring to her as "a beautiful young native American woman" and got all freaked out so I asked my dad about it, and he said, "Oh, all little boys do that. Don't worry about it." So I was relieved, until I started thinking about my super-heterosexual, super-conservative dad as a little boy sashaying around in a frilly dress, and my brain broke. :P (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	jat_sapphire 2007-01-19 05:33 am UTC (link)
	See, this, right here? Is why I like the personal stories on otf_wank. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2007-01-20 06:45 am UTC (link)
	My son will happily tell you, in his most indignant 4-year-old lisp, "boys like pink and butterflies." For the past two years, he's been running around in little pink sandals and tennis shoes with glittery purple stars. When the kids at daycare give him a hard time and tell him he's wearing girl shoes, he proudly reports, "I telled them, 'So?'" -Chester, proud mama (Reply to this)(Parent)

	doyle 2007-01-18 11:23 am UTC (link)
	I had thoughts, but your icon has driven them from my head. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	eljuno 2007-01-18 08:56 am UTC (link)
	Dammit, I have very little to say on this wank that even edges on the borderlands of Teh Funneh, and so many icons to use while saying it. WHY MUST THE WORLD MOCK ME SO? (Reply to this)

chibikaijuu 2007-01-18 06:52 pm UTC (link)

I really need to dig up the photos we took of my baby brother in my old dresses and stick-on earrings for these wanks. And just in general, because embarrassing him is fun. I wonder if it would provide more or less of that gleeful, wicked joy than calling him by his childhood nickname in public does? (It's "Phip". His name is "Philip", but he couldn't say it at first and said "Phip". Also "feedee" for "TV", which has stuck somewhat, like my "deddits" for "carrots" has.) (Reply to this)

sunhawk 2007-01-18 09:29 pm UTC (link)

I love how a skirt can't be anything other than completely meaningful and must mean something about the boy's gender/sexual identity. Sometimes kids just wanna wear something new or something they haven't tried to wear in the past! I had a friend who used to just wear as many of her clothes all at the same time, right on top of each other, until she was wearing three pairs of pants and two skirts and 4 shirts and rubber boots and a cowboy hat. It didn't mean anything, sometimes kids are just WEIRDOS! Heh heh (Reply to this)

pyrrah 2007-01-19 05:31 am UTC (link)

My cousin, a lab assistant, used to work with this cute male nurse who insisted on wearing skirts to work. He was fired eventually for violating the dress code (took them long enough to notice), and because patients found the whole thing very disturbing. Apparently, he looked really good in a skirt. What made me bang my head against the wall how my friend kept ranting about the incident, the injustice of it all, skirts for the win, etc. Keep in mind that I live in a country where open homosexuality could get you killed or thrown in jail. It was a miracle he was just dismissed from work, only. (Reply to this)

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