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luthe ([info]luthe) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2007-01-17 03:00:00


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TQC gender-wank!
*stolen from a mousie on [info]wank_report*

So, [info]katyowns asks [info]thequestionclub if it's ok to let her son wear a skirt to school. Most of the answers are *gasp!* reasonable, but there are always a few wankers in the bunch.

[info]redlightlove starts off the party by proclaiming boys only wear skirts if they're fairies. People of course call him on this, and he backpedals with the classic "I was doing it for the LULZ." [info]redlightlove then makes it to [info]stupid_free (which stays amazingly free of wank).

Next up, we have [info]renewedme, proclaiming that the kid needs to go to therapy to find the "root" of his problem. Anyone else having "But I'm a Cheerleader" flashbacks? Continuing on this theme, she states that dressing as the opposite sex could come from "underlying problems" and that she sees "nothing wrong with our society's attitudes toward gender at all." There is another round of "Bitch, plz" from those assembled. There's also a discussion on whether ten year-olds understand sexuality and gender identity, culminating in accusations of repression.

Finally, [info]supernovacaine gets in on the action, wondering why transsexuals can't just wear goddamn pants like all the other women in the world.

Personally, I'm just in favor of clothing that keeps the naughty bits covered. At least on most people. Jeri Ryan is allowed to wear as little clothing as she likes.


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[info]stella_polaris
2007-01-17 11:52 am UTC (link)
I just surprised myself in a bad way by going "oh come on, what's wrong with it anyway?" and then realising the boy is ten and going "uh. Maybe not." Why is it different if the kid is ten? D: I don't understand my own reasoning! Heeeeellllp!


[/my thoughts on yaoi]

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[info]mary_mac
2007-01-17 02:01 pm UTC (link)
To me, its the bit where he can't adequately fight back. Let him do it when he's 15 and big enough to hold his own, fine. Letting him do it when he's way to young to argue his case in school or to carry a fight in the playground, not so much.

Of course, I'm also sitting here going 'so why don't you just buy the child a kilt?' but I think thats just the exposure to Scots talking.

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[info]seiberwing
2007-01-17 02:24 pm UTC (link)
Kilts: They're like training skirts.

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[info]mary_mac
2007-01-17 05:16 pm UTC (link)
Yup.

Of course, I'm evil, so I'd buy him a kilt and then send him to Irish dancing, since he'd have the kilt anyway, and as a bonus, would be able to kick anyone who tried taking the piss in the top of the head.

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[info]seiberwing
2007-01-17 05:29 pm UTC (link)
I have two friends who went to the prom in kilts. Both did SCA-like swordfighting and one of them brought a metal-headed cane the likes of which could plant your brains in your belly if applied properly.

And then we all did the can-can on the dance floor and no one laughed.

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[info]suzycat
2007-01-18 10:08 am UTC (link)
Luckily in NZ kilts are acceptable if you are a bit Scots, which many of us are. There are men who get terribly excited about wearing them, especially for weddings, where it can be quite common. One of my local posh schools has a kilt as part of its dress uniform (worn only on formal occasions and also by anyone in the pipe band). Manly men running round in skirts all over the place.

And then of course there are Maori and Samoans. Tragically, Maori piupius look a bit lame when mixed with formal wear, but the Samoans have totally got the smart wool lavalava down to a fine art.

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(no subject) - [info]spiderflower, 2007-01-18 01:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]telophase, 2007-01-19 04:59 pm UTC

[info]cookie_love
2007-01-17 07:33 pm UTC (link)
What about bag pipes?

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[info]mary_mac
2007-01-17 11:45 pm UTC (link)
No child of mine learning bagpipes while they're living in my house. After they move out they can do what they like.

I don't intend to live with anyone beginning on a wind instrument ever again.

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(no subject) - [info]indis_earfalas, 2007-01-18 04:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mary_mac, 2007-01-18 11:59 am UTC
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(Anonymous)
2007-01-17 10:12 pm UTC (link)
Irish dancers don't wear kilts. But its still quite fun, and Irish dancing boys are awesome.

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(no subject) - [info]mary_mac, 2007-01-17 11:43 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]mary_mac, 2007-01-18 11:53 am UTC

[info]stella_polaris
2007-01-17 02:25 pm UTC (link)
That's a very good point. Also, it would be interesting to know why the kid wants to wear skirts. The OP says the boy is mature for his age, so hearing his idea would be intriguing.

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[info]shallow_kid
2007-01-17 05:42 pm UTC (link)
Eh, I think all parents think their kids are mature for their age if they display any sort of unusual line of thought/action.

That said, my newphew used to love to dress up in my clothes when we were little (he's my age) complete with play make-up just because he thought it was pretty.

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(Anonymous)
2007-01-17 06:08 pm UTC (link)
If he can't fight back against other ten year olds why would he be able to fight back against the other 15 year olds when he's that age? There's always going to be a bigger, meaner kid around--until he becomes the heavyweight champ of UFC I suppose.

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[info]mary_mac
2007-01-17 11:48 pm UTC (link)
By 15 they should, hopefully, know when to walk away from an incipient fight, and by 15, they're capable of stating their point to a teacher...

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(Anonymous)
2007-01-17 11:53 pm UTC (link)
If you haven't taught your kid to walk away from fights when he's 10 he's not going to know when he's 15.

Children aren't stupid, just unexperienced.

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[info]shaysdays
2007-01-17 10:29 pm UTC (link)
I was thinking that too, then I reread the question and the kid (assuming he's not hypothetical) specifically mentioned girl's clothes. I think a kilt's not going to cut it.

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[info]mary_mac
2007-01-17 11:45 pm UTC (link)
Girl's clothes at home, kilt for school?

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[info]lyppy
2007-01-17 03:48 pm UTC (link)
Also, puberty might change his view on the whole thing, and by then he'd already be branded as "that kid who wore a skirt in fourth grade."

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[info]rosehiptea
2007-01-17 07:32 pm UTC (link)
Well, I admit I had a thought about whether he'd really, really understand at that age the amount of shit he might get for wearing a skirt to school. In the end I'd probably let him do it, myself, and probably even fight the school if they wouldn't let him. But I'd be hoping I was in a position to homeschool if things got bad.

(Then again, one commenter in there who was transgendered said they don't always get that bad, so maybe I'd just hope for the best.)

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[info]doc_lydgate
2007-01-18 10:04 pm UTC (link)
This has no relevance to the wank at hand, but what on earth is that in your icon?

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[info]rosehiptea
2007-01-18 10:11 pm UTC (link)
That's Pyramid Head, from Silent Hill 2.

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iwanttobeasleep
2007-01-17 09:17 pm UTC (link)
Because when they're younger they don't know well enough to know that skirts are a girl's thing, and when they're older, they know well enough that they're breaking societal norms and what will come of it, but at 10 they know it's abnormal, but don't get the idea that something bad could come of it?

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[info]stella_polaris
2007-01-17 09:47 pm UTC (link)
Something like that, yeah. But still, if it was my kid, I'm not sure I wouldn't let him do it. I'd just have talk with him to make sure he understood what he was doing.

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[info]linadarkstar
2007-01-18 12:43 am UTC (link)
I dunnooo- I think gender divides as obvious as wearing a skirt are pretty well set and well acknowledged even at that age. At 10 I think I was pretty well acquainted with the threat of being laughed at, too.

Then again, likely they wouldn't get the sexuality-related backlash that would come post-puberty (and possibly from parents of classmates now.)

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[info]dragonfangirl
2007-01-18 06:36 am UTC (link)
By 10, they know. Or should know. Heck, they know by age 6 or 7.

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[info]jat_sapphire
2007-01-19 05:11 am UTC (link)
Or earlier, judging from the ages when a lot of little girls want to wear the frilliest dresses ever made.

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