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Nomes ([info]onaga) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2007-02-11 09:19:00


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Over in academics_anon, [info]kataplexis declares that accepting emailed assignments is an unfair burden for professors.

Apparently, this statement is horribly bigoted against disabled students, and wank ensues.

ETA that the post is now locked, but the comm has open membership. However, for those too lazy to bother, the text:

I don't accept assignments over email. I did once term but had a bunch of students pull the "But I emailed it to you..." line knowing that there was no way for me to confirm or refute their statement. I have since gone to a "no assignments by email" policy. I am curious to see what others think about accepting assignments over email. I don't have a tablet PC so grading it digitally is not a "perk" option. That being the case, I see no benefit and only angst to be had from accepting emailed assignments.

EDIT: Just so everyone knows that I am not some evil meanie, there are always exceptions to every rule on a syllabus to account for emergency situations or to accommodate students with disabilities that might prevent them from attending class on a certain day. Frankly, I am pretty appalled that people would think me so dim as to not have such exception. This whole straw man argument about the "emergency" and "disability" situations needs to stop. It happens on every other post and leads to nothing but trouble. By this same argument, one could say that even asking a student to attend class is discriminatory and I refuse to accept any such argument as valid.


And the response that set off much of the wank, from [info]courtney8:

I don't mean to be rude, but I really hope you have exceptions to this rule.

My case in point - I have Meniere's disease and fibromyalgia, and am considered by my university to have a valid disability that sometimes prevents me from attending class. While I understand that it is my responsibility to make up whatever work I may have missed, I sometimes have needed to email assignments to my professors in order to do this.

Not allowing emailed assignments, in some cases, could be considered discriminatory, especially when students have documented disability status through their university. Please be careful with your rules, as you may not be aware of what kinds of limitations you are placing on your students.


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[info]ladyvorkosigan
2007-02-11 03:33 pm UTC (link)
Locked already. Anyone have a saved copy?

And seriously, what the hell? I require my students to submit things by e-mail.

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[info]rachelmap
2007-02-11 04:12 pm UTC (link)
Yah, srsly. Among other things, e-copies make checking for plagiarism so much easier.

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(no subject) - [info]apoplexia, 2007-02-13 10:21 am UTC

[info]onaga
2007-02-11 04:14 pm UTC (link)
Whoops. Sorry. (My present layout means that I often miss the teeny lock icon on posts; this may have been locked to begin with.) However, the comm has open membership, so it should still be kosher.


The text of the post:

I don't accept assignments over email. I did once term but had a bunch of students pull the "But I emailed it to you..." line knowing that there was no way for me to confirm or refute their statement. I have since gone to a "no assignments by email" policy. I am curious to see what others think about accepting assignments over email. I don't have a tablet PC so grading it digitally is not a "perk" option. That being the case, I see no benefit and only angst to be had from accepting emailed assignments.

EDIT: Just so everyone knows that I am not some evil meanie, there are always exceptions to every rule on a syllabus to account for emergency situations or to accommodate students with disabilities that might prevent them from attending class on a certain day. Frankly, I am pretty appalled that people would think me so dim as to not have such exception. This whole straw man argument about the "emergency" and "disability" situations needs to stop. It happens on every other post and leads to nothing but trouble. By this same argument, one could say that even asking a student to attend class is discriminatory and I refuse to accept any such argument as valid.


And the response that set off much of the wank, from [info]courtney8:

I don't mean to be rude, but I really hope you have exceptions to this rule.

My case in point - I have Meniere's disease and fibromyalgia, and am considered by my university to have a valid disability that sometimes prevents me from attending class. While I understand that it is my responsibility to make up whatever work I may have missed, I sometimes have needed to email assignments to my professors in order to do this.

Not allowing emailed assignments, in some cases, could be considered discriminatory, especially when students have documented disability status through their university. Please be careful with your rules, as you may not be aware of what kinds of limitations you are placing on your students.

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Seems his issue isn't email per se
[info]karmakaze
2007-02-11 05:15 pm UTC (link)
I think I see his point, though. It's not email, per se. It's that too many of his students are pulling "the internet ate my homework".

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Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se - [info]ladyvorkosigan, 2007-02-11 05:22 pm UTC
Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se - [info]karmakaze, 2007-02-11 05:53 pm UTC
Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se - [info]squib, 2007-02-12 07:51 am UTC
Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se - [info]ladyvorkosigan, 2007-02-12 07:53 pm UTC
Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se - [info]waitwut, 2007-02-13 04:16 pm UTC
Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se - [info]luthe, 2007-02-13 05:23 pm UTC
Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se - [info]waitwut, 2007-02-13 06:11 pm UTC
Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se - [info]frequentmouse, 2007-02-11 06:20 pm UTC
Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se - (Anonymous), 2007-02-11 09:12 pm UTC
Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se - [info]mistressrenet, 2007-02-11 10:30 pm UTC
Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se - [info]ladybirdsleeps, 2007-02-11 10:40 pm UTC
Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se - [info]mummimamma, 2007-02-11 11:56 pm UTC
Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se - [info]ladybirdsleeps, 2007-02-12 01:25 am UTC
Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se - [info]hallidae, 2007-02-12 02:35 am UTC
Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se - [info]visp, 2007-02-12 07:52 am UTC
Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se - [info]black_spot, 2007-02-12 08:17 pm UTC
Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se - [info]evanwaters, 2007-02-21 06:48 pm UTC
Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se - [info]luna_hoshino, 2007-02-13 04:15 am UTC
Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se - [info]wankismyfandom, 2007-02-11 07:48 pm UTC

[info]dragonfangirl
2007-02-11 03:41 pm UTC (link)
I really hate that icon.

*drive by random*

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[info]seiberwing
2007-02-11 07:08 pm UTC (link)
I do too, actually...

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[info]judyhazeleyes
2007-02-11 07:09 pm UTC (link)
*drive by agreement*

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[info]onaga
2007-02-11 07:21 pm UTC (link)
That's what Adblock is for! :D

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(no subject) - [info]moonjaguar, 2007-02-11 09:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2007-02-12 03:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2007-02-12 05:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]onaga, 2007-02-12 05:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2007-02-12 07:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]onaga, 2007-02-12 08:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2007-02-12 09:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]breecita, 2007-02-13 03:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2007-02-13 05:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2007-02-12 11:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2007-02-14 12:29 am UTC

[info]evilsqueakers
2007-02-11 04:44 pm UTC (link)
But...what about online classes? It'd be a pain in the ass to hand something in to someone that you don't see but twice a semester. *looks innocent*

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[info]greenling
2007-02-11 04:45 pm UTC (link)
The university really needs to hurry up and send me that internet psychiatry degree; that guy (girl? thing? other?) is just begging for an essay on their obvious power issues.

They said they were going to send it to me via email, but that was six months ago. I wonder where it went. :(

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[info]nevadafighter
2007-02-11 07:01 pm UTC (link)
I taught one smaller class at a private college and made a deal with my students; they could email their essays to me (only if they unable to make it to class; if their butts were in the seats they had to have an actual copy) and I would reply to let them know I got it. If they didn't get an email back from me, it was likely that I didn't get it, and if they decided to just assume it got to me and go about their business, I'd give them a zero for work not received. I accepted quite a few "late" essays on the days they were due if students forgot or (as commonly happened), the printers in the labs weren't working, because not all students had their own printers or could run all over campus before my 9 am class. I tried to make it balanced and reasonable, and hey—the one student who couldn't make the minimum effort failed.

This chick/guy/whoever needs to put a little balance in her approach.

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[info]seiberwing
2007-02-11 07:07 pm UTC (link)
One of my teachers last semester had us all send in our essays by email, so he could critique them in Microsoft Word and send them back. But he would also email us a reply the moment he got it.

It was a rather startling change.

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[info]heddychaa
2007-02-11 08:27 pm UTC (link)
You know? I never thought this was such a huge issue! I've NEVER had a professor that accepted electronic submissions. If they do, it's likely by personal arrangements with the student in question. The sky has not fallen.

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(Anonymous)
2007-02-11 08:38 pm UTC (link)
I'm actually having the opposite situation this year. We're encouraged (because we're a stupid-huge lecture class of 150) to make use of 'online discussion boards' for our class discussion.

Basically, I'm doing what I do a FW/OTFW for class credit. And lo, it is righteous. I can finally channel my hate for the pre-meds who squeal when a clip of a surgery comes up in a class video into some kind of productive theory. Or flamewar.

-M. Ouse.

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(no subject) - [info]mummimamma, 2007-02-12 12:03 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2007-02-12 02:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]telophase, 2007-02-12 05:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2007-02-12 12:44 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2007-02-12 02:08 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2007-02-12 04:32 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2007-02-13 05:12 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2007-02-12 06:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]luthe, 2007-02-13 05:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]heddychaa, 2007-02-16 09:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]miss_arel, 2007-02-18 02:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tinsolitus, 2007-02-11 10:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]quinctia, 2007-02-16 07:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]wrongly_amused, 2007-02-11 11:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]vigilanterodent, 2007-02-12 10:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]wrongly_amused, 2007-02-12 06:29 pm UTC

[info]shinga
2007-02-11 09:36 pm UTC (link)
fibromyalgia

Ooo, my disorder popped up in a wank! Cool!

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(no subject) - [info]annaham, 2007-02-11 10:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]shinga, 2007-02-11 11:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2007-02-11 11:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]shinga, 2007-02-11 11:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cjk, 2007-02-11 11:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]judyhazeleyes, 2007-02-12 02:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]caoilte, 2007-02-13 12:19 am UTC

[info]gunshou
2007-02-11 09:46 pm UTC (link)
I would love to have all my students email me their papers (because I lose things so easily, and some of them play font games, which I can correct digitally), but I can't grade on the computer very well. MS Word's "track changes" feature and I do not get along at all. D:

That said, I've used the "computer ate my homework" excuse to great effect myself, so I guess I can't complain too much when they do it.

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(no subject) - [info]gobsmacked, 2007-02-13 10:51 pm UTC

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(Anonymous)
2007-02-11 11:56 pm UTC (link)
Huh. My college uses wikis for some classes. We're also allowed to email our midterms and final essays in some classes (i.e. to prove that it was finished on time), but we also have to follow up with a printed copy ASAP.

On a more tech note, I don't think I've ever had an email go missing in the series of tubes, yo. Sometimes things crop up in my spam filter (like my aunt's emails, for some bizarre reason), but in my many years of email, I've never had an email simply not arrive. Am I doing something wrong?

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2007-02-12 01:08 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladyvorkosigan, 2007-02-12 01:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rachel_pi, 2007-02-12 02:43 am UTC
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(Anonymous)
2007-02-12 03:19 pm UTC (link)
Senile anecdote time:

My school has a strict no emailed papers policy. I wasn't entirely aware of this, until two different papers came due at a time when I was in an entirely different continent.

The conversation went along the lines of:
"Can you make an exception? This one time? For me?"
"No. Love to, but school policy."
"Can I email it to you, and then you print out a copy, and then-"
"No. Love to, but school policy."
(Pause to consider.)
"Can you do me a favor, then? I have a paper due for Professor 2. If I email it to you, can you print out a copy of that, and give it to him?"
"Sure, no problem."
"Hi, Prof 2? Can you do a favor for me?"

--dhole

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(no subject) - [info]theblackscorpio, 2007-02-13 12:34 pm UTC
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[info]limyaael
2007-02-12 04:57 pm UTC (link)
I don't accept e-mailed final assignments for the exact same reason as [info]kataplexis; one semester, five of my students wanted to e-mail the final essay on which their whole grade depended, didn't send it, and then claimed it must have gone missing in the Internet ether. That led to grade challenges when I failed them and a whole bunch of irritation and bad shit. The same semester, one student claimed a paper was five pages long on her computer, and she didn't know what could have happened to only make it three pages long in Microsoft Word when she e-mailed it to me! Oooh, the Internet gnomes must have magically changed her font!

I can see why people like the convenience, and for some people it's a necessity, but too often students think "convenience" means "loophole."

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2007-02-12 07:14 pm UTC
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[info]the_merf
2007-02-12 05:07 pm UTC (link)
From a colleague of mine (responding to a garden variety whining student)...I so wish I could steal it without lying:

"My vision problems make reading text on screen very difficult and painful, so I'm sorry, but you'll just have to give me a print copy."

Me? I just enjoy being able to hand-write my comments.

/has a draconian late work policy
//developed in response the lying, cheating, swindling and general attempts to take advantage of my previous, more generous policy
///always, always, always abides by and respects documentation from an official University office (i.e., the Disability Office)

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(no subject) - [info]goblin, 2007-02-12 06:28 pm UTC
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(Anonymous)
2007-02-12 06:46 pm UTC (link)
One or two of my professors have us submit copies electronically so that they can run them through plagiarism filters and makes sure we're not Horrible People.

That being said, I think Professors who have us print out 150 page reading assignments at the library, when they know very well that each student has a printing limit, should accept things electronically. Because they need to stop killing trees and making me ninja around library log-ins.

~ Konitsu

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(no subject) - [info]rimrunner, 2007-02-14 05:37 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2007-02-14 06:46 pm UTC

[info]monsley
2007-02-13 11:49 am UTC (link)
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<thoughts on printers, typo, evil internets & evil teachers>

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(no subject) - [info]monsley, 2007-02-13 11:50 am UTC

[info]gobsmacked
2007-02-13 10:54 pm UTC (link)
Pooh! In the past I've known older colleague who won't even accept email from students after receiving obscene and abusive mails.

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(Anonymous)
2007-02-13 11:38 pm UTC (link)
During my senior year of studies as an undergrad, my TA pitched a fit when I e-mailed him my report because it said in the syllabus (in bold print no less) to do exactly that.

"WAAAAAAAAH all this paper and ink come from money straight out of my pockets how dare you!"

When that sniveling self-righteous prick realized his mistake, it brought the lulz.

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