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Nomes ([info]onaga) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2007-02-11 09:19:00


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Over in academics_anon, [info]kataplexis declares that accepting emailed assignments is an unfair burden for professors.

Apparently, this statement is horribly bigoted against disabled students, and wank ensues.

ETA that the post is now locked, but the comm has open membership. However, for those too lazy to bother, the text:

I don't accept assignments over email. I did once term but had a bunch of students pull the "But I emailed it to you..." line knowing that there was no way for me to confirm or refute their statement. I have since gone to a "no assignments by email" policy. I am curious to see what others think about accepting assignments over email. I don't have a tablet PC so grading it digitally is not a "perk" option. That being the case, I see no benefit and only angst to be had from accepting emailed assignments.

EDIT: Just so everyone knows that I am not some evil meanie, there are always exceptions to every rule on a syllabus to account for emergency situations or to accommodate students with disabilities that might prevent them from attending class on a certain day. Frankly, I am pretty appalled that people would think me so dim as to not have such exception. This whole straw man argument about the "emergency" and "disability" situations needs to stop. It happens on every other post and leads to nothing but trouble. By this same argument, one could say that even asking a student to attend class is discriminatory and I refuse to accept any such argument as valid.


And the response that set off much of the wank, from [info]courtney8:

I don't mean to be rude, but I really hope you have exceptions to this rule.

My case in point - I have Meniere's disease and fibromyalgia, and am considered by my university to have a valid disability that sometimes prevents me from attending class. While I understand that it is my responsibility to make up whatever work I may have missed, I sometimes have needed to email assignments to my professors in order to do this.

Not allowing emailed assignments, in some cases, could be considered discriminatory, especially when students have documented disability status through their university. Please be careful with your rules, as you may not be aware of what kinds of limitations you are placing on your students.


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Seems his issue isn't email per se
[info]karmakaze
2007-02-11 05:15 pm UTC (link)
I think I see his point, though. It's not email, per se. It's that too many of his students are pulling "the internet ate my homework".

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Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se
[info]ladyvorkosigan
2007-02-11 05:22 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, having read the post I'm a lot more sympathetic. (Although the easy way to deal with that is to send an e-mail receipt and say that if they haven't gotten that it hasn't been turned in.)

I'm also not really sure why [info]courtney8 would immediately jumpy to the conclusion that he's not making exceptions for people who legitimately can't make it to class on a given day, but whatever.

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Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se
[info]karmakaze
2007-02-11 05:53 pm UTC (link)
I think my requirement might simply be that if a student submits by email, they also must bring a copy to the next class they attend.

Back in the days before email, you called a professor, explained the situation, and brought the work in as soon as you could - and the world kept spinning.

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Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se
[info]squib
2007-02-12 07:51 am UTC (link)
Not all email does "return receipt requested", though. I've dearly wished Yahoomail had that I don't know how many times.

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Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se
[info]ladyvorkosigan
2007-02-12 07:53 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I manually reply to the e-mails, but then I have a small class - it'd get pretty unworkable in a 450 person lecture (or even a 100 person one), so I guess it's not a universal solution.

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Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se
[info]waitwut
2007-02-13 04:16 pm UTC (link)
Well, courtney8 once actually got banned from the cross-stitch community for flaming the moderator over something, so she's a tad wanky anyway. (This was well over a year ago, I don't recall all the specifics)

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Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se
[info]luthe
2007-02-13 05:23 pm UTC (link)
Cross-stitch wank? I'm sorry I missed it.

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Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se
[info]waitwut
2007-02-13 06:11 pm UTC (link)
We wank once in awhile when someone decides the mod is evil incarnate.

I point and laugh in my LJ with my friends.

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Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se
[info]frequentmouse
2007-02-11 06:20 pm UTC (link)
My elder spawn, a junior, spent one of his faculty conferences teaching his seminar leader how to set up and access his college Email on a new laptop- the tech support people at his school being student-focused, no one had ever showed him how. And a person of the college instructor sort on my flist found out that a good chunk of her students had email addresses that were being sent to her spam box. So "the internets ate my homework" may be a danger signal, not for bad students, but for misbehaving electrons.

That's not splooge on me, is it? Maybe I've caught the tech help thing from my spouse, who carries utility disks to parties and defrags hard drives so he doesn't have to socialize.

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Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se
(Anonymous)
2007-02-11 09:12 pm UTC (link)
Makes sense to me. One of our professors sent out emails to the class list which were FULL OF CAPSLOCK EXCITEMENT!! and EXCLAMATION MARKS!!!! Took us a long time to figure out why the class wasn't getting the assignments -- yup, the school-default spam filters were sending him straight to the spam folder.

-g-mouse

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Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se
[info]mistressrenet
2007-02-11 10:30 pm UTC (link)
Oh, that's too funny.

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Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se
[info]ladybirdsleeps
2007-02-11 10:40 pm UTC (link)
I had a professor who I thought was snubbing me. Despite having successfully sent her emails from the same address before, suddenly she stopped responding... I thought that maybe she was letting me stew in my bad-student guilt.

It turned out that the spam filters had been changed so that non-Latin characters tripped them. Bad news, for a professor of Russian.

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Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se
[info]mummimamma
2007-02-11 11:56 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, non-Latin letters are the spawn spam of the Devil (actually any mail that don't contain those funny Scandinavian letters go straight into my "potential-spam" folder)

Well, at least she had learned to write the characters on a computer, my Greek professor still writes everything on a Greek typewriter

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Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se
[info]ladybirdsleeps
2007-02-12 01:25 am UTC (link)
Actually, it was my emails that were going to the spam folder. That made it especially headdesky, because ... yeah, institution with many members who frequently need to correspond with people in non-English languages.

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Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se
[info]hallidae
2007-02-12 02:35 am UTC (link)
In my PoliSci class last semester, I was the only one who had given the professor a non-school-server email address, since I lived off campus and the school email system was shit. I ended up getting eight copies of the Marx and Locke essays he was trying to send us, while nobody else in the class got them at all.

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Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se
[info]visp
2007-02-12 07:52 am UTC (link)
Am I the only one who checks her spam before deleting it to make sure nothing got placed there be mistake? I don't read them, mind you, but a simple look at the titles has saved me many an awkward situation.

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Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se
[info]black_spot
2007-02-12 08:17 pm UTC (link)
No. I love Mailwasher. It does mark a few emails as possible that I want to read, but I can actually see the contents before downloading it/bouncing it and/or reporting it.

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Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se
[info]evanwaters
2007-02-21 06:48 pm UTC (link)
Constantly. I've had important stuff get lost in there, so I have to.

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Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se
[info]luna_hoshino
2007-02-13 04:15 am UTC (link)
I had issues sending e-mails to my professors when I was taking classes at Swarthmore, because apparently the Swarthmore and Bryn Mawr e-mail systems hate each other at times.

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Re: Seems his issue isn't email per se
[info]wankismyfandom
2007-02-11 07:48 pm UTC (link)
Her. Kataplexis is a she.

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