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Nomes ([info]onaga) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2007-02-11 09:19:00


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Over in academics_anon, [info]kataplexis declares that accepting emailed assignments is an unfair burden for professors.

Apparently, this statement is horribly bigoted against disabled students, and wank ensues.

ETA that the post is now locked, but the comm has open membership. However, for those too lazy to bother, the text:

I don't accept assignments over email. I did once term but had a bunch of students pull the "But I emailed it to you..." line knowing that there was no way for me to confirm or refute their statement. I have since gone to a "no assignments by email" policy. I am curious to see what others think about accepting assignments over email. I don't have a tablet PC so grading it digitally is not a "perk" option. That being the case, I see no benefit and only angst to be had from accepting emailed assignments.

EDIT: Just so everyone knows that I am not some evil meanie, there are always exceptions to every rule on a syllabus to account for emergency situations or to accommodate students with disabilities that might prevent them from attending class on a certain day. Frankly, I am pretty appalled that people would think me so dim as to not have such exception. This whole straw man argument about the "emergency" and "disability" situations needs to stop. It happens on every other post and leads to nothing but trouble. By this same argument, one could say that even asking a student to attend class is discriminatory and I refuse to accept any such argument as valid.


And the response that set off much of the wank, from [info]courtney8:

I don't mean to be rude, but I really hope you have exceptions to this rule.

My case in point - I have Meniere's disease and fibromyalgia, and am considered by my university to have a valid disability that sometimes prevents me from attending class. While I understand that it is my responsibility to make up whatever work I may have missed, I sometimes have needed to email assignments to my professors in order to do this.

Not allowing emailed assignments, in some cases, could be considered discriminatory, especially when students have documented disability status through their university. Please be careful with your rules, as you may not be aware of what kinds of limitations you are placing on your students.


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[info]heddychaa
2007-02-11 08:27 pm UTC (link)
You know? I never thought this was such a huge issue! I've NEVER had a professor that accepted electronic submissions. If they do, it's likely by personal arrangements with the student in question. The sky has not fallen.

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(Anonymous)
2007-02-11 08:38 pm UTC (link)
I'm actually having the opposite situation this year. We're encouraged (because we're a stupid-huge lecture class of 150) to make use of 'online discussion boards' for our class discussion.

Basically, I'm doing what I do a FW/OTFW for class credit. And lo, it is righteous. I can finally channel my hate for the pre-meds who squeal when a clip of a surgery comes up in a class video into some kind of productive theory. Or flamewar.

-M. Ouse.

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[info]mummimamma
2007-02-12 12:03 am UTC (link)
I have set up such discussions board for my students, and I love it. They on the other hand seem reluctant to use it, perhaps some wankage and sockpuppets could increase the interest?

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(Anonymous)
2007-02-12 02:09 am UTC (link)
All signs point to YES. Luckily, the topic of 'Sociology of Medicine' seems particularly primed for wank, but there really hasn't been much since people are dancing around 'Big Pharma conspiracy theories' and 'fat people are lazy fatties who eat too much fucking fats' instead of diving in with wildly unfounded theories.

-M. Ouse.

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[info]telophase
2007-02-12 05:40 pm UTC (link)
I took half the classes for my MLIS online, and most of the students couldn't get into the concept of a discussion board. They'd just post the answers to the thought questions the professor had posed about the reading and, as far as I can tell, never check the board again that week. It got so bad in one class that I basically ended up (politely!) trolling to see if I could get any sort of discussion going amongst my classmates.

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(Anonymous)
2007-02-12 12:44 am UTC (link)
OT, but geez, I wish 150 was stupid-huge at my university. I was in a 400-person class last semester, and this time, out of four classes, I'm in one 250-person and one 150-person.

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(Anonymous)
2007-02-12 02:08 am UTC (link)
Well, it's only stupid-huge for me because a) I'm a humanities student who's used to small seminars and b) it's supposed to be a discussion class. 150 people discussing = pure chaos.

150 people using electronic message boards = potential for awesome. It's a big enough class that I can flamewar away and no one will know who I am. Except the TA. And professor. The desire for a good grade is holding me back form going all snark on other students' asses.

-M. Ouse.

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(Anonymous)
2007-02-12 04:32 am UTC (link)
There are so many times on my metaphysics class discussion board where I'm tempted to respond to yet another of the unbelievably pretentious, name-dropping answers with some sort of "I see what you did there!" macro just to liven things up. And then I think about how I'm probably getting a C in that class already (for not name-dropping) and I reconsider.

But god, that would be some therapuetic trolling.

-alles_toll @ lj.

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(Anonymous)
2007-02-13 05:12 am UTC (link)
Ugh, I'm so sorry for you. At least, it's better than the guy who get so high and has this TOTALLY awesome and unique theory about metaphysics and won't stop talking about how our universe is just an atom in another universe.

Actually, I take that back, that might be refreshingly hilarious. ;)

-M. Ouse.

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(Anonymous)
2007-02-12 06:48 pm UTC (link)
A lecture of 400...would be pretty much the entire freshman class at my college. And we'd have to sit on the quad, because the closest thing we have to a lecture hall probably seats about fifty.

Consider my mind blown.

~ Konitsu

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[info]luthe
2007-02-13 05:27 pm UTC (link)
Amen. Though I think our biggest lecture hall might seat 100.

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[info]heddychaa
2007-02-16 09:01 pm UTC (link)
Holy crap. Some of my history courses were almost 450 students, if not more. Although that's generally a good thing because in first year history there's this tendency to sleep on your desk. Now that I'm in third year, though, it's usually a max of 25 students, maybe 40.

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[info]miss_arel
2007-02-18 02:22 am UTC (link)
because we're a stupid-huge lecture class of 150

*eyes her Psych lecture of 550 students and her Earth Sciences class of almost 700*

*can't help laughing*

...Although to be fair, neither of them are really discussion oriented. But still. XD

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[info]tinsolitus
2007-02-11 10:37 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I've never had a prof who let us email papers to them. We always need to have a hard copy. Even my one prof who set up a discussion board online still requires that we hand in a hard copy of papers.

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[info]quinctia
2007-02-16 07:56 am UTC (link)
Between my online classes (I only took electives and computer courses online, though) and my methods classes where we stopped meeting for six weeks in lieu of going to schools and teaching...electronically submitting assignments was pretty much mandatory the last year or two I was in school.

It is nice, until your internet explodes, and then you're frantically phone-calling the prof and all sorts of stuff. :(

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[info]wrongly_amused
2007-02-11 11:59 pm UTC (link)
The college I attend has an online site set up where students can actually upload and submit papers for their classes to avoid the paper waste...but ultimately, the flaw of that system - while handy! - was never better emphasized when the server went down the day the papers were due. :)

Generally, I find it better to just keep a hard copy around at all times, just in case.

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[info]vigilanterodent
2007-02-12 10:06 am UTC (link)
To be fair, technology can thwart hard copy papers, too.

Like, say, when the electricity on your entire campus goes down, in the middle of very cold winter, on the day of a major paper being due.

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[info]wrongly_amused
2007-02-12 06:29 pm UTC (link)
That's very true, not disagreeing. One of the best things I ever took with me from high school was from my 11th grade english teacher, who regaled us with the story of her lost term paper. Her advice: always print a hard copy whenever you make changes.

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