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	doomsday 2007-03-21 10:58 pm UTC (link)
	1) Nobody is threatening you with the judicial system. It's just there. If you feel threatened by it, that's your issue. Now I'm imagining the judicial system as a mafia strongarm. He stands there and breathes over your shoulder until you pay up--maybe he's even beating his fist against his palm--but hey, he's not actually doing anything to you. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	anonyrat 2007-03-22 04:39 pm UTC (link)
	Nice idea you got there. Shame if someone were to happen to it, you know? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	joye 2007-03-22 12:03 am UTC (link)
	Naive teenagers posting bishy art for snuggles vs. giant association of multi-million dollar international corporations. Exactly the same! (Reply to this)(Thread)

	sashenka 2007-03-22 03:19 am UTC (link)
	For serious. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	zyna_kat 2007-03-22 12:30 am UTC (link)
	Ah, wank on Digg! I once thought the IMDb was wanky... then I started following Digg. Diggers wank about trans fat. (The best wanks on Digg? Atheism vs Religion. Truly spectacular.) (Reply to this)(Thread)

	iwanttobeasleep 2007-03-22 01:41 am UTC (link)
	Every time I see someone bring up trans fat, there is wank. It's amazing. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sashenka 2007-03-22 03:20 am UTC (link)
	You're interogating my trans fat from the wrong perspective. (Reply to this)(Parent)

Gah.

confluence
2007-03-22 12:57 am UTC (link)

I do really fricking hate it when people use the word "stealing" to describe either plagiarism or copyright infringement. 1) It's emotive, inaccurate language used by companies lobbying for restrictive IP laws; 2) it further conflates these two separate things in the minds of idiots.

That said, this guy is a complete ass, since he apparently sees nothing wrong with a skanky company not only infringing the copyright of, but also plagiarising an independent artist (it's totally the same as sticking it to The Man by filesharing movies!!). Or, you know, the difference between trade secrets and content protected by copyright. Impassioned rants against the system kind of fall flat when you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

*squeegees*

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Re: Gah.

mcity
2007-03-22 01:19 am UTC (link)

The problem with sticking it to the Man is that you're sticking everyone who he's ever slept with.

Wait.

Seriously, you have to shaft all the people who work for him just to get to The Man. And I don't know if I have that kind of shaft in me. I might have to get some other guys, just to help me shaft the Man and everyone near him.

It's emotive, inaccurate language used by companies lobbying for restrictive IP laws

I know of a fair amount of actual people, not faceless 'companies', who use the word thusly. In fact, you just saw a few in the Digg thread. IMO, if a given work or creation is being used or possessed without permission, within reasonable limits, it's theft.

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Re: Gah.

confluence
2007-03-22 07:20 am UTC (link)

I know of a fair amount of actual people, not faceless 'companies', who use the word thusly.

Yeah, I know it's a common usage of the word in some fan circles, and I see the rationale. I still don't like it, and I can see how people from different internet communities can misunderstand each other over the usage of this word. I get the impression that when artists use it they are usually referring to plagiarism (e.g. someone tracing or Photoshopping over someone else's art and passing it off as their own -- so credit is what is being "stolen"). When companies use it, they are complaining purely about copyright infringement (and their usage of the word attempts to evoke an image of tangible and unambiguous material loss). Then there's the separate issue of whether the perpetrator is making money off the infringed or plagiarised work (something else which could be considered "theft"). And there's the problem -- saying "this art has been stolen" does not say which aspect(s) of the infringement you're actually objecting to.

...oops.
*mops up*

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fevered_ego
2007-03-22 01:37 am UTC (link)

WHAT HE SAYS:

Pi (the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter) can equal 3, according to law, where the law is so written. So what? I don't disagree with you about what the law says. But making a law that says Pi equals 3 does not make it a fact.

WHAT HE MEANS:

Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense!

Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit!

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	doomsday 2007-03-22 02:01 am UTC (link)
	It's the dreaded Chewbacca defense! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	mcity 2007-03-22 02:09 am UTC (link)
	Funny thing is, I happened across that article on WP yesterday. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	puipui 2007-03-22 09:57 pm UTC (link)
	Look at the monkey! Look at the silly monkey! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	fevered_ego 2007-03-22 10:17 pm UTC (link)
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	demonbean 2007-03-22 03:49 am UTC (link)
	When you copy information (be it art, music, whatever), the original remains intact. NOTHING is taken away from anyone. If only we had a well-established copyright system that dealt with intellectual property. OH, WAIT ... (Reply to this)

	visp 2007-03-22 03:55 am UTC (link)
	Your icon is very, very awesome. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	mcity 2007-03-22 02:14 pm UTC (link)
	It's from this Mina deMalfois-inspired fic. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	iwanttobeasleep 2007-03-22 05:14 am UTC (link)
	Holy shit are Pyzam ever a bunch of morons. (Reply to this)

	michmatch 2007-03-22 05:20 am UTC (link)
	At least they are doing everything in their power to protect their stolen content from thieves. Whew, I was worried there for a minute. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	made_by_kali 2007-03-22 01:20 pm UTC (link)
	I know! Good thing they plastered their watermark all over everything to protect against those nasty artwork thieves. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	brick_me 2007-03-22 06:56 am UTC (link)
	Ideas can't be copyrighted, but what was used without permission was artwork, and ... ... What's he talkin' about again? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	confluence 2007-03-22 07:30 am UTC (link)
	He's railing against current intellectual property laws and using them to prove his point -- at the same time! Neither is working out very well, because he seems to have no idea of what they actually are. (Reply to this)(Parent)