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luthe ([info]luthe) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2007-03-26 21:50:00


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ZOMG, YOU CAN'T DRESS LIKE THAT YOU SLUT!!11!!!
So, a conservative Christian site aimed at young adults post a survey about modesty.

Feminste picks up on it. To begin with, we have the quotes from the survey respondents themselves (which are pretty damn wanky and O.o inducing all by themselves. I'm including Jill's commentary, too, because there's funny there.

Christian wanker 1:
If you don’t have a dad or brother to ask about the propriety of specific outfits or articles, try to find a brother in Christ who you can ask. As helpful as surveys and things like this can be, they can’t ever answer a question like “Does THIS pattern draw too much attention to my chest?” I’m not really sure what kind of criteria you should put on this kind of surrogate male family member (except that they should definitely be “aware” of girls, and understand and appreciate what you’re trying to do), so you’ll have to think through what would be appropriate, and what you would be most comfortable with, yourself. I don’t think it should be too hard to find someone willing to help you in this way. I know for sure that I would be perfectly happy (not to mention thrilled that a girl was taking this stuff into consideration) to help someone in this manner.


Jill: Because I am such a good and pure Christian man, I would be happy to watch you try on all of your immodest clothing, so that I may guide you in choosing what is appropriate and what is not. Let’s start with your underwear drawer, whaddaya say? Remember, it’s for Jesus.

Christian wanker 2:
Ladies, this is where you can get confused. Many women would think guys are ‘all about’ women who flaunt their bodies. I am here to attempt to speak for us Christian men fighting the fight for purity. Women like this disgust and frustrate me. They take advantage of something that God intended to be beautiful. They lure men away from that which they truly love. They make men like me fight and struggle, and cause many to fall. THESE WOMEN SHOULD NOT BE ADORED OR FOLLOWED! Christian sisters, please do not think that this attention is anything more than a result of short-sighted shallow men who are sexually frustrated and unwilling to follow God’s plan for sex. To me, women who flaunt their bodies make me turn my head, repulsed, and pray that God would guard my heart, eyes, and mind, and that somehow He would show them His infinite love, and that they don’t need to act in this way to be loved.


Jill: You disgusting beasts, making me look at your titties like that!

Christian wanker 3:
Sickening. The disgust far outweighs the attraction. What do they expect to gain from their display?I respect and admire a girl with a dress. I totally ignore something that looks like a heathen prostitute.More of a problem is those who have remained bastions of purity, yet unknowingly take a fling in the opposite direction. You become accustomed to looking at them unguardedly, and when they suddenly change for the worst…bad things happen.


Jill: Does this make anyone else nervous? Because I’m wondering what kinds of “bad things” he’s so ominously referring to. I really hope that he means getting a boner, jerking off in the shower, and then crying into his Cheerios later.


But that's just the warm-up. Next we get a mini-wank with RandomObserver3 going off against Orthodox Jewish feminism. Examples are here and here.

But the real wank doesn't begin until Natalia posts.


Natalia: Also, and this is something that I’ve been thinking about as of late - it’s interesting how some of these ah, lovely boys’ (not men, dammit) arguments are similar to certain feminist arguments, i.e., if you’ve put on some lipstick and a tank top - you are doing it for men, and you are a fool, or worse. The motivation, I believe, is different, but there’s something to this, no?

Vera Venom: BINGO. It doesn’t matter who is telling you “what not to wear” they all doing the same thing. “Girl, you can’t wear that - men might like it.” Because everything is always about the menz.

Elinor: Frankly I don’t see a problem with occasionally dressing for the menz. I’m attracted to men. I want men to be attracted to me; of course, naive little tart that I am, I think it’s possible for a man to think “nice person” and “nice body” at the same time. ...

There are people out there telling us we have to wear sexy clothes (or we’re unattractive), as many if not more than are telling us we can’t wear them. You’re making it sound as if tank tops, lipstick, push-up bras and high heels arrive in the stores without any fanfare, or maybe just drop out of the sky, who knows.


As this report is long enough as it is, I'll leave things here. Have fun, guys (ZOMG, you said guys!)!


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[info]demonbean
2007-03-27 02:36 am UTC (link)
They make men like me fight and struggle, and cause many to fall.

Who's seuxually frustrated?

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[info]eilisliana
2007-03-27 02:41 am UTC (link)
Why is it that, women have to cover themselves for the good of men but men can't just learn to control their impulses.

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[info]khym_chanur
2007-03-27 02:58 am UTC (link)
I've seen this seriously argued (or at least implied) on USENET: men's libido is so high that they can't exercise impulse control on it. Suggesting to men that they excercise impulse control on their libido implies that it's small enough to control. But since a man know's that his libido is much larger than that, saying that it should be controllable makes him feel like he's animalistic. Thus, telling men to excercise impulse control on their libido is actually misandrist.

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[info]eilisliana
2007-03-27 03:01 am UTC (link)
Uh, kay. But telling women that any hint of flesh is whorish is A-OK! Good to to know. ;)

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ealusaid
2007-03-27 03:03 am UTC (link)
So... men are like people who read slash even though they hate it, because they don't know how to use the back button?

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[info]khym_chanur
2007-03-27 03:18 am UTC (link)
No, because men actually enjoy having sex. The analogy I saw used on USENET was grabing a fistful of ground meat and shoving through the bars of a lion's cage at a zoo. Because sentience and self-control totally fail for men when it comes to sex.

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(no subject) - [info]t_boy, 2007-03-27 04:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]delarina, 2007-03-27 04:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]t_boy, 2007-03-27 04:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2007-03-27 04:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]t_boy, 2007-03-27 04:53 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]stopthatgirl7, 2007-03-27 01:13 pm UTC

[info]fevered_ego
2007-03-27 03:05 am UTC (link)
Won't somebody think of the fundies?

They think of you. Modestly attired.

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[info]xero_sky
2007-03-27 03:41 am UTC (link)
In full hijab, even.

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[info]luthe
2007-03-27 03:17 am UTC (link)
If this were true, every teenager in the world would be fucking whenever they could. High school would be one giant orgy.

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[info]t_boy
2007-03-27 04:20 am UTC (link)

I remembering reading several comic books like that.

Awesome fun, but presumably a herpes outbreak would put a damper on some things.

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[info]mmanurere
2007-03-27 05:49 am UTC (link)
I've seen this seriously argued (or at least implied) on USENET: men's libido is so high that they can't exercise impulse control on it.

Maybe that explains the homophobia -- they perceive gay men as having as little impulse control as themselves, and are afraid of getting propositioned and that they might say yes?

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(no subject) - [info]vigilanterodent, 2007-03-27 06:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mmanurere, 2007-03-27 07:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]hallidae, 2007-03-27 04:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - pastri_archy, 2007-03-27 08:22 pm UTC
IAWTC - [info]rikiki, 2007-03-27 09:39 pm UTC

[info]panthea
2007-03-27 03:39 pm UTC (link)
My libido, a mosquito? How very optimistic of them.

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[info]warrioreowyn
2007-03-27 04:49 pm UTC (link)
I don't think they're saying that. Going by this comment - Do they realize that they have just caused someone to have sexual thoughts about them in their mind? Now the guy feels bad because he fell AGAIN and the girl wiggles on her merry way. - by "fall" these guys don't mean "have sex with someone you're not in a relationship with", they mean "experience sexual attraction to" someone you're not in a relationship with (working from Matt. 5:28: "...anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart".)

They aren't saying they can't control their actions, they're saying they can't control their thoughts and there are certain things they'd rather not be thinking.

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(no subject) - [info]ryuutchi, 2007-03-27 08:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]warrioreowyn, 2007-03-28 12:35 am UTC

[info]napalmnacey
2007-03-27 08:24 am UTC (link)
Dude, I know. Do you know how often I have to control my impulses to throw myself bodily at a gorgeous man on the train, yet you don't see me calling him a slut, do you?

... Well. Maybe in my fantasies ;-P

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[info]eilisliana
2007-03-27 08:34 am UTC (link)
He was taunting you with those form fitting jeans!

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(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2007-03-27 08:50 am UTC

pastri_archy
2007-03-27 02:43 am UTC (link)
Translated: "I don't realize how much of a prick I come off as to sane women, but I'm a "Man of God" so those silly whores ought to worhsip me anyway! Also, I'm not the Master of my Domain."

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ealusaid
2007-03-27 02:46 am UTC (link)
The women, obviously: they get off on the sight of these Good Christian Men fighting, struggling, and falling. In hot oil.

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pastri_archy
2007-03-27 02:49 am UTC (link)
...in loincloths?

I'd like to join the church that sponsors these wrestling matches.

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ealusaid
2007-03-27 02:59 am UTC (link)
Just like Jesus would.

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[info]barankhy
2007-03-27 11:04 am UTC (link)
We could still all turn Turkish and spend much time watching yağlı güreş ^_^

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(no subject) - [info]rikiki, 2007-03-27 09:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rikiki, 2007-03-27 09:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]barankhy, 2007-03-27 09:58 pm UTC

[info]sashenka
2007-03-27 04:14 am UTC (link)
Someone really needs to have some alone time with his hand.

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[info]dark_puck
2007-03-27 01:01 pm UTC (link)
I think his hand may have filed a restraining order.

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[info]innsmouth_eyes
2007-03-29 12:09 am UTC (link)
No, he doesn't want to make baby Jesus cry.

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[info]some_dude
2007-03-27 11:04 pm UTC (link)
You know, it can't be healthy to hate the people you're attracted to so much.

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[info]indis_earfalas
2007-03-28 10:16 am UTC (link)
Hehehehe. I was talking about this to my ultra-conservative (by Australian standards, it should be noted), practising catholic, Mum ... she said:

Sounds like someone needs to learn a bit of self control and stop blaming everyone else because he can't keep his own dick down.

Then we went on to discuss the virtues of olympic swimmers and how no other male has *any* business wearing budgie smugglers to the beach.

/tangent

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