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Damien Raptore ([info]damien) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2007-03-27 09:04:00


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You just don't understand her religious principles!
Over at BRPS, [info]2headed_chicken makes a post about how her sex slave character doesn't need rescuing because she's martyring herself for religion and would people please stop trying to save her?

My character is a slave. She is made to dance in bars for money and if someone pays extra, they can take her into a backroom for an hour. She is used by her owner, his friends, his business associates, hell even people they're just trying to impress as a sexual plaything and beaten if she doesn't live up to someone's expectations. When she isn't being violated for profit or fun, she's kept in chains in the basement of her owner’s base of operation. Basically she's the gimp with a better wardrobe.

But guess what?

It doesn't matter to her. She worships a god that gave her hope when she had none and now gets her through this everyday. She has been taught that one is never given more then they can take, that her path was chosen for her before she was even born, the world around her is just a burnt and broken shell that one day her god will wipe away, and when that time comes, the unbelievers will be smited. She can laugh and sing and smile at those who abuse her not because she likes them or likes what they're doing, but because her heart is filled with pity for them. They will spend eternity in hell while she will sit at the right hand of her god, the least she can do is to not make their time here on earth any worse. She doesn't cringe at every touch and dread every sexual encounter. She has been taught that pleasure is a gift and that there is no greater honor then to bring someone closer to god. So every night spent on her back bringing some idiot to his rest is an act of piety to her. It's not ‘rape’ or ‘sodomy’, it’s worship. And just because she lets someone have a free tumble doesn't mean she LOVES them. There isn't room in her heart for romantic love; the only thing she has room for anymore is companionship. Those she cares about, she tries to convert and those freebies are just her being a missionary to her faith.

So you should know this. She doesn't want to be saved. Your repeated attempts to free/buy/marry her are not welcome because if her life was that easy to fix then my girl's got herself a dilemma. If all this could be taken care of just that easily then the years of torture and abuse and violence aren't noble tests from her god but only ordinary misfortunes. If she could be 'saved' by the actions of a simple man while her god just ignored her, then what was it for? So all her gentle but repeated dismissals of you and your help aren't her being scared or brainwashed, it's her holding onto her faith. She has told you this. She needs what she does to be holy because she would die inside if it's not.

And speaking as her player, I don't appreciate it either. If your character could fix her then that means in some way, what she currently is, is broken and I'm wrong as her player to thwart you. I purposely took a common fantasy archetype and turned it into something different and I like her for it. Even as she is on a stage somewhere, dancing in a metal bikini for dollars, or on a stained mattress, thinking of her god, or on her knees, taking a beating, she is beautiful and noble and virtuous in a way most people can only hope to be.

So quit trying to be her hero. She already has one.


There have been posts like this before but perhaps because of the specific acts described, the post explodes with nearly two hundred comments. The very first comment has [info]guardian_yugi being frightened of her character but [info]2headed_chicken says she was making a point about the difference between the religious and the rational.

The bulk of the wank, however, takes place in this thread where [info]paperclipchains calls the OP's char a tired Mary Sue and refutes the OP's claim that she's subverting the patriarchy a fantasy stereotype. [info]f1ibbertigibbet wants us to think of the STDS, and [info]nocebo_response stands up for sodomy. [info]scattercat and [info]paperclipchains play the I'm rubber and you're glue game. In fact, those two apparently have history. The wank will not stop -- the OP even invokes Godwin's Law, has it pointed out, and then people argue about how Godwin's Law actually works.

There's also discussion of what rape is with bonus definitions of Gor and BDSM lifestylers, an example of what the OP is up against and a lot of people agreeing that any good-aligned char wouldn't be able to just ignore her sex slave's suffering. For bonus points, people discuss BDSM again, complete with personal anecdotes, compare the slave to a nun, wank about taking the power out of rape, and request she move it to the adult BRPS comm.

My default icon is weirdly inappropriate for this wank.



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[info]misachan
2007-03-27 01:57 pm UTC (link)
Um, wait. Couldn't her god be sending the "simple man" to get her out of this life because he/she has another plan for her now? That's almost as common a fantasy trope as the pious slave girl in the first place.

This sounds like really bad roleplaying, just because she's deliberately not interacting with the other players. Is there a GM in this game? I've seen players boom smited for far less. This is prime "orcs/undead/the terrasque come through and destroy the town material" if I've ever seen it.

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(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2007-03-27 02:20 pm UTC
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[info]wolfshark
2007-03-27 01:57 pm UTC (link)
How does one take the power out of rape? Even in fiction? *is confused*

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[info]dragonfangirl
2007-03-27 02:21 pm UTC (link)
she is beautiful and noble and virtuous in a way most people can only hope to be.

Stop trying to take away from my character's angst! Her angst is the only thing that makes her interesting!

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[info]joye
2007-03-27 02:35 pm UTC (link)
WTF. So much wrong!
She lets herself be raped/used/beaten, but it's beautiful and noble and virtuous... because she believes they're going to hell and she wants to make their time on earth better?
Also, where the hell are you supposed to go with a character like this in an RP?

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[info]limyaael
2007-03-27 02:54 pm UTC (link)
But guess what?

It doesn't matter to her.


My brain kind of came to a screeching halt right there. I mean, okay, fanaticism can produce some really strange people, but even then, they generally recognize the need to be, oh, not raped and beaten and tortured every few days. If her message matters to her and she wants to save people, wouldn't she also want to stay alive and travel around so the rational the heathen can hear her? Just talking to her customers doesn't give her a huge chance of converting others, because the numbers are so small. TBH, it doesn't seem like the subversion of a stereotype so much as an excuse to write really violent sex scenes and claim that you're not one of those dirty people who write about rape.

But then, that's expecting logic out of someone who thinks you need an excuse to write about sex, and that of course the heroine must be a slave and forced into bed, because god forbid a woman have any desires of her own.

...Yeah, and now I need a Kleenix. Sorry. This just reminds me waaay too much of how authors like Laurell K. Hamilton approach their heroines. "It's subversive!" No, it's just dumb.

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(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2007-03-28 02:01 am UTC
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[info]sashenka
2007-03-27 03:08 pm UTC (link)
please put this in the brps adult community.
The words of reason in a sea of chaos.

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[info]caffeine_fairy
2007-03-27 03:11 pm UTC (link)
*summary*

Wah! People are interacting with my character according to their own characterization, not my unique angst ridden special snowflakeness! Wah!

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[info]brick_me
2007-03-27 03:30 pm UTC (link)
I can understand that she's trying to turn a sex slavery on its head and I suppose it can be annoying if people keep misunderstanding this although it's blatantly obvious it's just a mary sue sexual fantasy, but her character being nice to people because she knows she's going to heaven while they're going to hell? Ehhhhh. plz to stop being nice to me, religious people.

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(no subject) - [info]mindset, 2007-03-27 03:45 pm UTC

iwanttobeasleep
2007-03-27 03:48 pm UTC (link)
Damn! I stop reading BRPS and this beautiful thing happens.

she is beautiful and noble and virtuous in a way most people can only hope to be.

That line is the scariest thing in this whole rant. No one wants to be okay with being raped. There is nothing beautiful about rape.

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(no subject) - [info]damien, 2007-03-27 04:27 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]damien, 2007-03-27 05:08 pm UTC

[info]issendai
2007-03-27 03:48 pm UTC (link)
I like this character idea--a lot. I especially like the idea that the character insists upon staying enslaved because that makes it all matter. It sounds like the kind of thing that really does happen to exceptionally broken people, like the guy who was stuck in an airport terminal for over a decade because of visa problems, and who now resists leaving even though he's been offered everything he needs to enter the United States. The character idea takes it to a Sueish extreme, but even Sueish character concepts can turn out cool in the hands of good players.

But if you're going to present the game with a character whose problem has an easy fix, you have to expect the other characters to try to fix you. That's what characters /do/. If you're good, you'll build in a failsafe: Character is bought out of slavery, becomes a hooker in her own employ. But if you don't do that... well, don't bitch because the rest of the game universe reacts in exactly the way anyone could have told you they would.

If your character could fix her then that means in some way, what she currently is, is broken and I'm wrong as her player to thwart you.

There is a hiccup in logic in here. Maybe two or three.

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[info]lollercoaster
2007-03-27 03:54 pm UTC (link)
dancing in a metal bikini for dollars

metal lingerie/bikini armor has to be the stupidest fantasy cliche ever. Can someone please explain the attraction?!

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[info]omega
2007-03-27 04:10 pm UTC (link)
Were there always this many assholes on BRPS? I'm suddenly reminded of a shark-tank.

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[info]velvet_mace
2007-03-27 04:11 pm UTC (link)
You know I can't see how this character makes for good Role Play. She's setting herself up to be the damsel in distress, but when other RPers try to get in on the action, she tells them go away. Or is her Master an RPer as well? In which case she's having a private BDSM party, and just neglected to tell others that that's her purpose.

Honestly, the fantasy girl who is waiting for GOD to step in and make her life better is just well, kind of boring -- there's nothing for other RPers to do with her -- other than I suppose join the BDSM party and have some cybersex.

(I'd much rather have cybersex with a character who wasn't thinking of God while I did her... that idea is kinda creepy to me.)

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[info]seiberwing
2007-03-27 04:11 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I'm totally all up in there. *is in shame and disgrace*

Sooooo much fail in there. From pretty much everyone, especially the person who thinks that's a sane BDSM relationship.

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[info]hallidae
2007-03-27 04:33 pm UTC (link)
Being someone who plays religiously fanatical characters on a regular basis, my various sundry Iscariots would like to have a word with this character on the concept of "piety". I can see any one of them listening to her angsty ranting for maybe two minutes, tops, before deciding it's time to generously put her out of her misery and send her on to be with God (or to Hell, as they're more likely to believe she'll be going).

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[info]onaga
2007-03-27 04:39 pm UTC (link)
This girl:

a) doesn't know any religious fanatics
b) has read Kushiel's Dart a few too many times
c) is a really, really bad roleplayer
d) all of the above

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(no subject) - [info]brown_betty, 2007-03-27 05:12 pm UTC
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Rantpants On! - [info]funwithrage, 2007-03-29 03:13 am UTC
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[info]heddychaa
2007-03-27 04:49 pm UTC (link)
I have a simple solution to this problem. Roleplay in a rape fantasy community. You get your rocks off in whatever way suits you, and nobody there has a character inclined to save you. Problem solved!

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(no subject) - [info]jat_sapphire, 2007-03-27 10:40 pm UTC
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[info]emiweebee
2007-03-27 05:08 pm UTC (link)
Venom cock!

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(no subject) - [info]monsley, 2007-03-28 08:49 am UTC

[info]waterfront
2007-03-27 05:10 pm UTC (link)
Okay, so, I definitely missed "BRPS" and "character" the first time I glanced at this, and the magnitude of the horror I felt cannot be described.

Literacy: WHO NEEDS IT.

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(no subject) - [info]damien, 2007-03-27 05:15 pm UTC
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[info]phosfate
2007-03-27 05:43 pm UTC (link)
There's also discussion of what rape is

o/~ I want you to showwwwww meeeeeeeee! o/~

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(no subject) - [info]tofuknight, 2007-03-27 07:48 pm UTC
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[info]athy
2007-03-27 05:57 pm UTC (link)
This could all be solved quickly if every time someone saved her she ran away and back to her 'master'. I don't get her character's logic but if she's that hung up on being abused it's a pretty easy fix. I'm pretty sure people would stop trying to save her after the first few returns. I'm surprised people even bother playing with her. Unless I'm missing something fundamental about the game.

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[info]demonbean
2007-03-27 07:18 pm UTC (link)
I think this only actually makes sense if the god is a vengeful god who tests followers while on earth. Which she didn't say. She said it was god's plan. Which does, logically, mean that it might be the god's plan to free her. Or that if it was about pleasure, she might be a whore where, say, she wasn't being abused all the time.

Oh, wait, logic.

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[info]blue_penguin
2007-03-27 07:19 pm UTC (link)
Wow. The religious-fanatic-prostitute thing could be kind of interesting, I think, if handled really carefully, but the fact that the player seems to think that this makes the character AN HERO!!!1!!111 rather than deeply, deeply fucked up is just disturbing.

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[info]vzg
2007-03-27 09:42 pm UTC (link)
That sounds like it COULD, potentially, be an interesting character. Maybe. But it'd need to be something like a side-character, because what the hell can you do with that? She completely resists developing her own character or letting others interact with her in new ways.

And, um, that kind of religious fanaticism pretty much IS brainwashing...

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(no subject) - [info]oh_envy, 2007-03-28 05:44 pm UTC



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