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Damien Raptore ([info]damien) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2007-03-27 09:04:00


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You just don't understand her religious principles!
Over at BRPS, [info]2headed_chicken makes a post about how her sex slave character doesn't need rescuing because she's martyring herself for religion and would people please stop trying to save her?

My character is a slave. She is made to dance in bars for money and if someone pays extra, they can take her into a backroom for an hour. She is used by her owner, his friends, his business associates, hell even people they're just trying to impress as a sexual plaything and beaten if she doesn't live up to someone's expectations. When she isn't being violated for profit or fun, she's kept in chains in the basement of her owner’s base of operation. Basically she's the gimp with a better wardrobe.

But guess what?

It doesn't matter to her. She worships a god that gave her hope when she had none and now gets her through this everyday. She has been taught that one is never given more then they can take, that her path was chosen for her before she was even born, the world around her is just a burnt and broken shell that one day her god will wipe away, and when that time comes, the unbelievers will be smited. She can laugh and sing and smile at those who abuse her not because she likes them or likes what they're doing, but because her heart is filled with pity for them. They will spend eternity in hell while she will sit at the right hand of her god, the least she can do is to not make their time here on earth any worse. She doesn't cringe at every touch and dread every sexual encounter. She has been taught that pleasure is a gift and that there is no greater honor then to bring someone closer to god. So every night spent on her back bringing some idiot to his rest is an act of piety to her. It's not ‘rape’ or ‘sodomy’, it’s worship. And just because she lets someone have a free tumble doesn't mean she LOVES them. There isn't room in her heart for romantic love; the only thing she has room for anymore is companionship. Those she cares about, she tries to convert and those freebies are just her being a missionary to her faith.

So you should know this. She doesn't want to be saved. Your repeated attempts to free/buy/marry her are not welcome because if her life was that easy to fix then my girl's got herself a dilemma. If all this could be taken care of just that easily then the years of torture and abuse and violence aren't noble tests from her god but only ordinary misfortunes. If she could be 'saved' by the actions of a simple man while her god just ignored her, then what was it for? So all her gentle but repeated dismissals of you and your help aren't her being scared or brainwashed, it's her holding onto her faith. She has told you this. She needs what she does to be holy because she would die inside if it's not.

And speaking as her player, I don't appreciate it either. If your character could fix her then that means in some way, what she currently is, is broken and I'm wrong as her player to thwart you. I purposely took a common fantasy archetype and turned it into something different and I like her for it. Even as she is on a stage somewhere, dancing in a metal bikini for dollars, or on a stained mattress, thinking of her god, or on her knees, taking a beating, she is beautiful and noble and virtuous in a way most people can only hope to be.

So quit trying to be her hero. She already has one.


There have been posts like this before but perhaps because of the specific acts described, the post explodes with nearly two hundred comments. The very first comment has [info]guardian_yugi being frightened of her character but [info]2headed_chicken says she was making a point about the difference between the religious and the rational.

The bulk of the wank, however, takes place in this thread where [info]paperclipchains calls the OP's char a tired Mary Sue and refutes the OP's claim that she's subverting the patriarchy a fantasy stereotype. [info]f1ibbertigibbet wants us to think of the STDS, and [info]nocebo_response stands up for sodomy. [info]scattercat and [info]paperclipchains play the I'm rubber and you're glue game. In fact, those two apparently have history. The wank will not stop -- the OP even invokes Godwin's Law, has it pointed out, and then people argue about how Godwin's Law actually works.

There's also discussion of what rape is with bonus definitions of Gor and BDSM lifestylers, an example of what the OP is up against and a lot of people agreeing that any good-aligned char wouldn't be able to just ignore her sex slave's suffering. For bonus points, people discuss BDSM again, complete with personal anecdotes, compare the slave to a nun, wank about taking the power out of rape, and request she move it to the adult BRPS comm.

My default icon is weirdly inappropriate for this wank.



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[info]explosivefun
2007-03-27 10:03 pm UTC (link)
Oh man, I made one post in there and just got the hell out. I gotta say, if I'd come across her in an RP, I'd be posting her character to BRPS. :P

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[info]ecchaniz0r
2007-03-28 01:53 am UTC (link)
*raises both hands*

I admit it, I dissolved into a gibbering polysyllabic semantic WRECK in there.

Mostly because people who don't know what the fuck BDSM is annoy my undies into a knot.

Does it still count as fappery if you don't swipe at the OP or call people's mothers whores? I thik the concept is somewhat pants, but the OP seems reasonable enough (if in mass denial that she's basically playing for her kinks, 'martytdon' nothing). And i didn't get into it with paperclip chains.

Mostly I just ate a thesaurus, then coughed up adverbs willy-nilly...

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[info]visp
2007-03-28 04:46 am UTC (link)
because if her life was that easy to fix then my girl's got herself a dilemma. If all this could be taken care of just that easily then the years of torture and abuse and violence aren't noble tests from her god but only ordinary misfortunes. If she could be 'saved' by the actions of a simple man while her god just ignored her, then what was it for?

See, okay, this makes sense. She's trying to rationalize her horrible life, and has developed her nice little stockholm-fort to keep her sanity. This could be the start of a very interesting character.

So all her gentle but repeated dismissals of you and your help aren't her being scared or brainwashed, it's her holding onto her faith. She needs what she does to be holy because she would die inside if it's not.

Urm, sounds like scared and brainwashed to me. Again, not a problem. Makes for a complex character, having her deal with getting out could be very interesting.

And speaking as her player, I don't appreciate it either. If your character could fix her then that means in some way, what she currently is, is broken and I'm wrong as her player to thwart you.
...and there's where the real WTFery comes in. "It means I'm wrong if your characters don't see it the same way?" Sounds like the character isn't the only one with mental issues.

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[info]anonyrat
2007-03-28 06:46 pm UTC (link)
I've said it before and I'll keep saying it as often as needed.

People who don't realize their characters are fucked up are SCARY.

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[info]funwithrage
2007-03-28 06:48 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, exactly. It's not playing a fucked-up character, it's totally refusing to realize that the character's fucked up.

If she'd said, "Hey, getting saved right now doesn't really mesh with what I want from Character's story, and your character's attempts are getting kind of tiresome to RP--can we deal with some other issue for a bit?" then all would've been groovy. But no.

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[info]ecchaniz0r
2007-03-28 11:44 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, exactly. It's not playing a fucked-up character, it's totally refusing to realize that the character's fucked up.

You people kick ass for being able to articulate the things that I cannot ('cause they send me into this Kermit-flailing fit of WTFery.)

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[info]funwithrage
2007-03-29 12:27 am UTC (link)
Aw, thank you!

I'm just wearing the rantpants today, I think.

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[info]visp
2007-03-29 01:27 am UTC (link)
Also, it seems a touch over the top. I mean, if you have a sex slave, it's not profitable to beat her severly because that means blemishes which will decrease her value. Also, why does her boss keep her in shackles (which are going to cause more unsightly scars and blemishes) if she's so docile? It also means that she has poor hygiene, if she's chained in a tiny place, and probably a few STDs if she's fucking everything.

But how much do you want to bet that she's perfectly unblemished except for maybe one or two "dramatic" scars and always looks perfectly groomed and clean and pretty? Also, no stds?

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[info]anatalya
2007-03-28 05:40 am UTC (link)
Of course, what this all really reminds me of are my old Yahoo RPing days in ayenee, where my friends and I would sit in the Slave Auction and snicker because nearly every character description included something about "NO FREEING"

Oh, the old days of userrooms. *sheds a little...tear*

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[info]mochibuni
2007-03-28 12:02 pm UTC (link)
Paperclipchains isn't going away any time soon, are they.

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