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thekiwiwhoflew ([info]thekiwiwhoflew) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2007-03-29 08:20:00


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Writing wank does not end at fanficrants.
I'm sorry it's so long, can't link to individual posts.

The name Mrs. Giggles is, apparently, as well known amongst Romance Book authors as it is known among readers. Known for her no nonsense style, Mrs Giggles provides- Oh what the hell. She's the one to do what most people want to do at romance books and all but shakes the author yelling 'WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?' Apparently she started around 1998, and built a name for herself then.

Due to her style and her relative 'notoriety', If there's pasty, mid life crisis(ing?), Lifetime TV-cross over-Jerry Springer style drama, she's bound to be at the center of it. And what could be funnier than seeing widely published, best selling authors duke it out?

..Well it beats staring at a wall.

It starts when Mrs G makes an out of nowhere post complaining that authors will ask her to review their books then, if she gives them bad reviews, act like they have no idea how she came across their books, making a very big, very public, deal about it. And then something about authors apologizing for her giving them positive reviews. This is all odd, but starts sinking in when you come to realize these nitwits are fegging' published and often time best sellers. Anyway. She then makes a random comment about people doubting she really lives in Malaysia. Again. Published authors, people.

Everything's well and cool in the circle jerk off style of romance authors "LOLZ I HOEP IT WAZNT ME PLZ LOVE ME AND GIMME GOOD RVWZ" "PPL R MEEN I LUV U!!11111" I ask you, I cannot stress enough to you, to actually look at the page as these women go about this while flaunting ridiculous names linking to flashy sites with flamboyant men and "best selling" and "Winner of" displayed everywhere. (THis woman was pissing off Mary Janis Davidson before she even sneezed near a best seller list [Oh where was a journalfen account then])

(Now, what makes it a bit more difficult is people start mentioning Voting and a Poll. You see, Mrs G, respectable woman she is, had posted a poll asking whether she should post up the names of the authors she was talking about in the initial post.)

Finally, it gets good. Lucinda shows up and posts a seemingly innocuous comment. Or maybe it's not. Because, really, I kept trying to read it over and find something offensive but didn't. Maybe you'll have better luck:

Lucinda:
I'm a book reviewer myself, but I'm on a site where we're not allowed to be snarky. There are times when I wish I could be. The reason people care so much about what you think is because it's been said that "bad reviews from Mrs. Giggles will increase a book's sales". I don't beleive reviews affect sales that much whether they're good or bad. I think that the main purpose of a review is to get snippets for press releases. If it isn't favorable, go on to the next one. Just because you didn't care for my book, doesn't mean that someone else won't. (I won an award and received a 5-Star review for a book you gave a 69 and said was boring.) Big deal! I'm 48-years-old, and I've lived through a lot worse things in my life than getting an unfavorable review.
About the poll, I think what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If you're going to out authors, then you should out yourself and tell us who you really are.
On the subject of the router, I do know about such things, and the router doesn't affect the I.P. address.


Looks innocent enough to me. Mrs G, rebuttal?

Mrs G:
Lucinda,

Who I really am? May I direct you to a page on my website:

http://www.mrsgiggles.com/me.html

It's been there for a while, even before I make the mistake of reviewing your book and putting you through so much unneccesary grief.

I don't mean to insult you, but before you go around calling me a coward for being anonymous, please DO check out the website a little bit more before you make accusations.


And It. Is. ON!

Lucinda:
Hmmm? Sounds to me like someone can dish out the criticism, but she can't take it. And don't worry. You'll never get another one of my books. I only sent it to you because everyone else in my writer's group was doing it. I guess if they all jumped off of a bridge, I'd go too...Oh, and BTW, how did you know that "Lucinda" was "L.K. Campbell"? Very interesting!!!


What is our heroine to do?

Mrs G
Lucinda, please stop. You're embarrassing yourself. Your email address shows up as "lkcampbell@lkcampbell.com" so I don't think it's rocket science to make that connection.

I also have seen a particular comment of yours on another blog where you say the same thing about me being an anonymous coward as you are saying now. I love how you ignore the fact that I just pointed out that I am not as anonymous as you claim I am and just repeated your same old bitterness around the place in your latest post. So please, let's not embarrass yourself any further, okay? If you really want me to, I'll just delete that review. It's no big deal.

Jax, it will be nice if someone will tell ME where my facts are off so that I can correct them. I'm human, I make mistakes. But I suppose it's nicer to imagine that an accidental typo where I mess up the heroine's name is a deliberate evil on my part.

I don't visit Romance Divas. Let's just say that I dropped by once and realized that if I value my enjoyment of ebooks, I'm better off not visiting that place ever again.




Oh no she didn't. Oh yes she did. From this point it's a passive aggressive Jerry Springer like Feud between... Frankly, I have no idea at this point. They're respected names in their field, with reputation, and as such they must act with decorum. So Jax very, very basically does the adult thing and says 'My site is better than urs, NYC Publishrz quote US and they don't quote YOU ur jus jelus, NYANYA." in a passive aggressive riddled paragraph. She then proceeded to kick Mrs G in the shins, take her lunch money and run.

Jax:
It sounds to me you're a bit bent out of shape. You try to be nice and you're attacked. Well, I can point out that it wasn't just a typo on the name. It's a whole setting you added that didn't even exist. So that tells me you tend to skim when you get bored or stressed. It's one thing to attack me, but another thing to attack my site. I think you're just intimidated that our reviews are better and more accurate. In fact, we have a rather huge staff and we have editors to make sure there are inconsistencies in data. If we make an error, we're quick to adjust it. We're also quoted in many NY published romances, but I don't see your reviews in any books. We don't need to bash to get our point across. I'm a reviewer and I can guarantee that I check my facts. I'm not here to complain, but since you took it that way, that's your problem.


Mrs G?

Mrs G
I'm not attacking you, jax, sheesh. Where did that come from? I'm not even attacking Romance Divas - I didn't want to go there because I can see that I can be influenced by what is being said about me there.

Where did all that "you're just jealous!" thing come from? Give me a break. If I care about being quoted by authors, I'd be doing reviews from Romantic Times.


Anyone whose been unfortunate enough to read the romantic times knows a burn when they see one.

Jax, who was earlier boasting about the maturity of her site, proceeds to say what every single person who's ever gotten into a fanficrants or stupid_free style fray in livejournal has done: Proceed to say they are not only not angry, but amused.

Jax
I'm not saying you're jealous. You misconstrued the point. Perhaps the way you posted made it appear as if you're angry. I'm not angry. I'm laughing as I write this. I've got a good sense of humor and I'm not trying to come off bitchy. Either way authors are going to complain about your reviews and wouldn't it be better if the details were correct? That's all I'm saying.


Here's where things really get fun. The first in what will soon be a flood of offended Diva Reader people posts in her two cents. Basically saying Mrs Giggles sucks, Romance Divas (I cannot type that) doesn't, Mrs Giggles lies, Romance Divas doesn't (God I cringed typing that), Mrs Giggles doesn't read, Romance Divas does (argh), Mrs Giggles clubs baby seals, Romance Divas is "The Top Romance Writing Site On The Internet" (With a "Sterling, well deserved reputation, she would like to add happily.")

Chrissy:
The truth of the matter is that many authors have found questionable grasp of knowledge in reviews posted by Mrs Giggles. This happens, but not with GOOD reviewers. The other issue is that content on the Romance Divas' forum isn't accessible from anywhere BUT the forum to my knowledge, and a great deal of traffic ends up right here by way of announcements... couple that with some long quotes from Diva blogs and it really does look like you, Mrs Giggles, are lying. Many of the books reviewed with errors seemed to have been skimmed, or (gasp) supplemented with Amazon quotage.
Let's all hope everyone is wrong.
But when one is critical of books with authors' names clearly printed on the cover while cowering behind a pseudonym, one opens oneself up to attack. And I wonder why somebody who was a NON member of Divas would "drop by once" and form such a well rounded opinion of the top Romance Writing site on the Internet? (The site has a sterling, well deserved reputation, I add happily.)
I still don't understand why Romance Divas would in any way involve your enjoyment of ebooks. I'm further befuzzled at the notion of "dropping by once" and being so scarred for life by the experience.
For public record: if many (three in the past hour alone) legitimate authors have publicly stated that they DID NOT SEND Mrs Giggles copies of their work, and several claim to have facts incorrectly cited by Mrs Giggles, is this some sort of vast Romance Conspiracy perpetrated by the demonic hoard of perfectly-nice-writers-who-have-no-reason-to-lie or is Mrs Giggles full of something less than giggly?
Film at 11:00?
Probably not. :P
Tick tick tick tick tick... DING DING DING! Your fifteen minutes of fame are officially up.
Have a nice day.
March 27th, 2007 @ 10:48 AM


She's Befuzzled at something, I didn't pay attention, I was gaping at the notion that a book reviewer of alleged notoriety would use Befuzzled, and says that Mrs Giggles lies in her reviews. While clubbing baby seals. And bouncing fetuses off walls. And holding food out in front of starving children then pushing them away. And cow tipping. And ripping the erasers off the ends of pencils the putting the pencils back. And putting Diet soda in the Normal Soda place.

She then ends it all in the finest display of maturity this side of Laurell K Hamilton's PR agent's Myspace rant advocating child molestor's rights.

" is Mrs Giggles full of something less than giggly?
Film at 11:00?
Probably not. :P
Tick tick tick tick tick... DING DING DING! Your fifteen minutes of fame are officially up."



What DO you say to that? I mean, seriously? I am awed. Anne Rice? Please. The woman shits out money. Laurell K Hamilton? She's got a brainwashed cult that would pay for her male prostitutes if she'd write about the experience later. Stephen King? Dear God. But these people have freaking _careers_! This would be like Imming your manager at 12:00am "YOU _SUCK_. I hate you! You're a bunch of bastard! I saw what you were doing in the kids section! ...See you tommorow!"


Out of apparently nowhere comes this angry display of pissed off romance writers and reviewers to tell off our Mrs G for insulting the Holy institution of Romance Divas!


Kirsten:
"I don't visit Romance Divas. Let's just say that I dropped by once and realized that if I value my enjoyment of ebooks, I'm better off not visiting that place ever again."

Oh honey, that's the best decision you've ever made. You wouldn't fit in at Romance Divas. See, RD is one of the most supportive sites online. We don't tear each other down or pick each other to pieces just for a good bit of snark. You'd be bored silly. Or shunned completely. You know, something like that. Ciao, darling!


Night Diva Maria:
Jax is right, there have been many inconsistancies in reviews here. And it's major things like plot or setting or something far more than names. You don't trash Divas. Why? Because at Romance Divas we have something unique. Something special that goes beyound the bottom line in publishing. We have a family that sticks by one another through thick and thin, bad reviews and great ones. Nothing beats the support from romance writers that care for one another. Bitchiness isn't needed there. Warm fuzzy feelings and encouragement of fellow human beings is always welcome. Is it for blowing smoke up someone's ass? No. But it is for helping others improve their best they can be.



These are grown, published women.


So Mrs Giggles replies and basically flips both Jax and Chrissy the bird, asking Jax to call off the mob and telling Chrissy she's been around "since 1999 so please, I've been doing this when you've yet to learn how to spell "snark""

Chrissy... Completely misses the point and, I'm not joking, states:

Chrissy:
If I had, in any response I can find here, used the word "snark," I would have spelled it correctly.
If we're talking about checking things... umm Pot-- I believe you have an incoming call from Kettle?"


...Wow. But here comes the cavalry! Shannon Stacey and Ann Wesley Hardin proceed to go into a nauseatingly cutesy wutesy dispay of wuffles

The Mrs G love fest goes on as people come to their idol's defense up till back pops Lucinda to defend herself from the meanie intrawebs pplz

Lucinda
Uh, Hester, have you ever since an ass. Well, here's mine. Kiss it!


..The same one who was bragging about being a respectable 48 year old? Yeah.

And on that note, it's over.


Or, well, not.


http://mrsgiggles.braveblog.com/entry/27106 Mrs Giggles in.. An effort to quell everything down makes a second post basically hunching down, wagging her butt while chanting "nanananana na"

Ofcourse it gets better.

Second review down from that.

" Posted by Chrissy:
*adding fuel to the fire*

You're not the boss of me. Neener neener!"


...You know, let me remind you: This isn't some fanfic OTP squabble. These are career women with very big influence and reputation.... Oh wait. In the romance writer category. Nevermind then.

Mrs Giggles and Emily Veinglory (I would say Please Dear God Don't Let That Be Her Name, but I've seen weirder as far as romance authors go) go on to do the internet equivalent of shoving cotton balls in their ears and pretending alls normal but oh, that cannot be done. Jax comes back to tell her off! It goes somewhat like this.

Jax:
Bitch, you don't know me! Besides, my friends were just attacking you because they're my friends! And I have no control over my friends!

Mrs G.
Bring it on, Bitch!

But they're respected women, ofcourse. So they just take the high road and use passive aggresive attacks until one of them maybe explodes or something. What makes it all the funnier is repeated useage of the term "romance diva" when you realize that is their actual name.


So she makes a third post. http://mrsgiggles.braveblog.com/entry/27110


http://mrsgiggles.braveblog.com/entry/27127 And a fourth post. All's relatively well and looks as though it'll clear up, but oh no. Jax shows up.

Just for the record, there is no war raging between Romance Divas and Mrs. Giggles. IMO, this is about authors voicing their opinions and complaints based on her post. I don't want the whole situation to be misconstrued. There is no hard feelings (except with the individual authors maybe) and I hope that those who took the whole thing out of context will realize that things can easily be escalated on blogs. I can't control what my members say or do, and frankly, it's their own feelings they are voicing and not our writing community. We often write things we wished we had clarified or we would love to have erased, so I'm hoping we can all move on from this.

I don't like to take sides as I don't like Mrs Giggles that much myself, however this was just beautiful. So they're not waging war on her, just a lot of the main moderators of the Dancing Divas or whatever showed up randomly on her blog to blast her. Indeed.


It all seems to have calmed down for now. I'm still in awe, myself. For me it seems so strange that people quoted frequently amongst authors and publishers would be so quick to take intrntz srsly.


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[info]elektra3
2007-03-30 06:54 am UTC (link)
Women's Rights Vs Women's Rights

Wait, what?

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[info]thekiwiwhoflew
2007-03-30 07:02 am UTC (link)
Gives you an idea. The most common is: It is offensive to womens rights to have a woman be all lovey dovey and submissive Vs. It is offensive to womens rights to have women only prove their femininity by being forward and promiscuous.

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[info]dragonfangirl
2007-03-30 08:06 am UTC (link)
It's sort of like the 'Feminists For Porn' versus the 'Feminists Against Porn' debate.

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