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warchio
2007-04-12 10:35 am UTC (link)

Assuming this actually happened (which, let's be honest, it didn't.) why is everyone focusing on his throwaway comment at the end? The underlying motivation for the piece seemed to be sexual politics with the 'more oppressed than thou' flourish at the end being more to remind he's Irish. Irish and therefore 'cool'.

Or course, I've never understood getting embroiled in the argument about whose ancestors were more oppressed. It's completely irrelevant. Most people have ancestors who were oppressed and I'm sure none of them took a break from their travails to go 'Well, at least I'm not black/irish/romany. They REALLY have it bad.' It has absolutely nothing to do with modern day racism or sexism.

(I know a lot of people started out staying that but most of them seemed to get dragged into the 'Shut up about being Irish, you twat! The ___ had it worse' trap.)

That said I'm a Northern Irish Prod woman on the internet and no one has ever oppressed me. I feel unloved.

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	gingerkiss 2007-04-12 03:32 pm UTC (link)
	oppresses you (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	warchio 2007-04-12 03:57 pm UTC (link)
	Awwwww....thank you! is oppressed (Reply to this)(Parent)

	heddychaa 2007-04-12 04:57 pm UTC (link)
	My problem wasn't that Irish weren't better/worse off than blacks, my point was that he was crowing on about "knowing history" which meant he should no that widespread oppression of the Irish ended in the fucking NINETEENTH century, of which he was not a part. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

warchio
2007-04-12 05:12 pm UTC (link)

*shrugs*

I'm sure he does. He presumably meant that the Irish knew all about oppression historically. I don't think anyone could reasonably claim that the Irish are discriminated against in a widespread fashion in the modern world. (And before anyone *starts* - yes 'stupid mick' jokes can get old but they aren't oppression.)*

My issue - such as it is cos I think about this all of once very twenty wanks - is that these discussions always seem to degenerate into this wang-waving contest:

'Oh my god - my granny was oppressed by a British soldier/Russian aristocrat/the patriarchy.'

'You call that oppression? You don't oppression from a whole in the ground. The *political/racial/sexual group of choice* were oppressed TWICE that much.'

Which is irrelvant. It also obfuscates the one valid comment that can be made - Yeah, but you've not been oppressed for being Irish.

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	ecchaniz0r 2007-04-13 01:21 am UTC (link)
	It turns into the Four Yorkshiremen sketch, minus all the funny. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ps. warchio 2007-04-12 05:16 pm UTC (link)
	The whole don't start stuff wasn't aimed at you. I've just had people claim that the occasional English man, Scots man and Irish man joke is a deep and painful affront to their sense of self. Fair enough if their sense of self is that fragile but don't get me soggy over it. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: ps. heddychaa 2007-04-12 05:18 pm UTC (link)
	I didn't think you were attacking me, because you're arguing the same thing. Gridlore just wants everyone to see his penis over everything. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	wrongly_amused 2007-04-12 07:31 pm UTC (link)
	How's about we settle on him being an asshole all around? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	warchio 2007-04-12 07:34 pm UTC (link)
	A Gordian Asshole? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	annabelle_lee 2007-04-14 02:05 am UTC (link)
	Oooh, that's quite a knotty situation. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	shadowkitty 2007-04-12 12:40 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, Irish Americans. You are so strange. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	missdaisy 2007-04-12 11:54 pm UTC (link)
	You say that like it's a bad thing :( (Reply to this)(Parent)

	esclaramonde 2007-04-12 01:24 pm UTC (link)
	What is it with the people and their stupid fake stories lately? Argh! (Reply to this)

	esclaramonde 2007-04-12 01:26 pm UTC (link)
	Also: Do you have a legal identity that is not attached to your husband or father? ... No? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	dragonfangirl 2007-04-12 02:24 pm UTC (link)
	It's kind of inherent in the name. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	cookie_love 2007-04-13 01:04 pm UTC (link)
	I don't think that means what he thinks it means. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	exdee 2007-04-12 03:13 pm UTC (link)
	heddesk heddesk heddesk Can't we all just get along? (Reply to this)

	rachelthedemon 2007-04-12 05:35 pm UTC (link)
	If he still has a full set of teeth? Bullshit. No way did he say any of that and not get the shit kicked out of him. (Reply to this)

	soupspooks 2007-04-12 06:38 pm UTC (link)
	All I can think is, "Oh, baby baby, oppress me harder." ~~And my friends and I joking about the elven holocaust, because in Warcraft there was one, and Arthas caused it.~~ (Reply to this)

	joye 2007-04-12 06:44 pm UTC (link)
	But hey, Irish people have white skin, so that must mean everything's honky dory, right? Pun-tastic! Also: vanilla frosty? I'm there! (Reply to this)(Thread)

	heddychaa 2007-04-12 07:17 pm UTC (link)
	seconding the vanilla frosty deliciousness. do they have them in canada though? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	wrongly_amused 2007-04-12 07:29 pm UTC (link)
	"So, you need directions to the back of the car then?" AHAHAHAHA - oh wait, that's not funny. :-( (Reply to this)

irised
2007-04-14 07:06 am UTC (link)

Sometimes I'm amazed at the ability people have to be completely deaf to how utterly ridiculous they sound.

I wish I had a joke about drinking problems...

"They say alcoholism is a disease, but it's the only one you can get
mad at someone for having.
It's like - 'dammit, Otto, you're an ALCOHOLIC.
... Dammit, Otto, YOU'VE GOT LUPUS'.
One of these just doesn't sound right." - Mitch Hedburg

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