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Maria the Lost ([info]mariagoner) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2007-04-12 19:48:00
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Troll in the Dungeon of DV! Troll!
Hysterically stupid troll Njyoder posts on stupid_free about why nobody should ever call if they witness domestic violence (or what they believe might be domestic violence.)

Let me tell you, internets, if there were any a man I'd go to for advice on what to do in a DV situation, it'd be him. Because he apparently knows all about the history of DV and I? I don't. ::snerk::

Oh, and this person isn't exactly a shining beacon of intelligence or compassion either.

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[info]braska
2007-04-13 02:05 pm UTC (link)
I am curious as to what one is supposed to do, if not to call the police or some form of DV organisation?

Nothing?

Excellent! That's that cleared up, then!

*rolls eyes*

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[info]phosfate
2007-04-13 02:46 pm UTC (link)
See, if you do something...something will happen because of it. While if you don't do something, something will happen, but it won't be your fault.

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[info]lindentreeisle
2007-04-13 02:51 pm UTC (link)
He says you're supposed to approach the woman privately and offer her help.

So I have this picture in my head of him calmly watching a guy beat the shit out of his SO, politely waiting until he's finished delivering the beating before walking over and saying something like, "Would you like a ride to the hospital?" or "You really should just leave him you know."

Although, now that I think about it you shouldn't do THAT either; the evidence shows that an abusive SO is most likely to kill you AFTER you leave the relationship, so maybe we should advise these women to never leave. For their own good, of course.

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[info]vzg
2007-04-13 06:04 pm UTC (link)
Aaand maybe I'm wrong, but don't most abuse victims like that tend to go so far as to lie to the police to keep from being taken from their abuser? I'd imagine there are many cases where the only way they'd have a chance of really getting out would be if law enforcement actually arrived while it was happening.

But, hey, I don't have statistics to prove it, so obviously this is all complete bullshit! Firsthand experience means nothing in the face of math, right?

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[info]vzg
2007-04-13 06:05 pm UTC (link)
Okay, phrased that wrong in the second bit. Firsthand experience = that of those responding in stupid_free, not my own.

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[info]goldberry
2007-04-13 06:25 pm UTC (link)
But surely njyoder has shown you the way - you don't have to actually have statistics, you just have to claim that they back you up!

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[info]vzg
2007-04-13 06:36 pm UTC (link)
And then demand thm from everyone else, right? And then I can proceed to act all high and mightly, like I won and stuff, while ridiculing them for not having information they never claimed to and expecting me to show them the information I did claim to have!

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(no subject) - [info]goldberry, 2007-04-13 06:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]khym_chanur, 2007-04-13 09:04 pm UTC
So tell me again what evidence I could present that would be considered valid... - [info]njyoder, 2007-04-14 03:12 am UTC
Re: So tell me again what evidence I could present that would be considered valid... - [info]sepiamagpie, 2007-04-14 04:12 am UTC
Re: So tell me again what evidence I could present that would be considered valid... - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2007-04-14 12:03 pm UTC
Re: So tell me again what evidence I could present that would be considered valid... - [info]cookie_love, 2007-04-14 12:31 pm UTC
Re: So tell me again what evidence I could present that would be considered valid... - [info]mcity, 2007-04-14 01:40 pm UTC
Re: So tell me again what evidence I could present that would be considered valid... - [info]khym_chanur, 2007-04-14 05:57 pm UTC
Re: So tell me again what evidence I could present that would be considered valid... - [info]frequentmouse, 2007-04-14 07:53 pm UTC
Re: So tell me again what evidence I could present that would be considered valid... - [info]kittenmommy, 2007-04-16 04:18 pm UTC

[info]ichigatsu
2007-04-13 06:58 pm UTC (link)
The statistics support me in email!

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(no subject) - [info]eilan, 2007-04-13 07:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2007-04-13 07:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ichigatsu, 2007-04-13 07:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]evilsqueakers, 2007-04-14 03:55 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ichigatsu, 2007-04-13 07:43 pm UTC

[info]caito
2007-04-13 10:01 pm UTC (link)
Like lurkers supporting with emails, them stats.

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(no subject) - [info]caito, 2007-04-13 10:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jat_sapphire, 2007-04-14 05:23 am UTC
Statistics are evul! Fuck science!
[info]njyoder
2007-04-14 03:06 am UTC (link)
Anecdotal evidence doesn't mean anything, you're right. I love how many people here are anti-science. Yes, your anti-scientific views make you look like a genius. Fuck studies that could possibly show you to be wrong.

Just so we're clear, since no one here has read such a study, studies include these things called statistics!

And maybe I'm wrong here, but sometimes the abused lie to the police even when they come over! Amazing!

But hey, lets not dare consult someone at a DV organization, an expert in this, to come and help her in private! The horror!

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Re: Statistics are evul! Fuck science!
[info]vzg
2007-04-14 03:33 am UTC (link)
Yeah, and the police would never believe a woman was being beaten if she said she wasn't when they came over in the middle of it. I mean, if I saw a woman get beat to bleeding and bruised, I'd believe her the second she turned around and told me nothing happened! Amazing. Just like I believe people on the internet when they claim to know a lot about a subject and yet give no evidence whatsoever about any of their claims and then insist that everyone hates statistics because, hey, they'd maybe want to help someone out of the goodness of their heart! Obviously trying to help means you hate statistics. When you soothe a friend who's crying? Why, you're a statistics hater! Because I can tell you without any evidence to back it up that statistics SHOW that when you soothe that friend, she's actually fifty times as likely to kill herself!

And gee, I guess I should stop listening to all the other people who tell me that if I think I know someone's being abused, I should tell someone about it. Because there's only one domestic violence expert in the world, and they have STATISTICS.

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Re: Statistics are evul! Fuck science! - [info]njyoder, 2007-04-14 07:34 am UTC
Re: Statistics are evul! Fuck science! - [info]vzg, 2007-04-14 08:00 am UTC
Re: Statistics are evul! Fuck science! - [info]njyoder, 2007-04-14 08:11 am UTC
Re: Statistics are evul! Fuck science! - [info]vzg, 2007-04-14 08:21 am UTC
Re: Statistics are evul! Fuck science! - [info]njyoder, 2007-04-14 08:28 am UTC
Re: Statistics are evul! Fuck science! - [info]mistressrenet, 2007-04-15 01:53 am UTC
Re: Statistics are evul! Fuck science!
pooka
2007-04-14 03:34 am UTC (link)
I fucked Science once. He wasn't as passionate as Religion, but he knew where everything was and didn't go on and on with the whining about sin and guilt afterwards. Ah, Science. Sometimes I miss that cold, clinical bastard.

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*applause* - wolfie_thu, 2007-04-14 06:23 am UTC
Re: Statistics are evul! Fuck science! - [info]seiberwing, 2007-04-14 07:10 pm UTC
Re: Statistics are evul! Fuck science! - pooka, 2007-04-14 07:19 pm UTC
Re: Statistics are evul! Fuck science! - [info]seiberwing, 2007-04-14 08:49 pm UTC
Reality is evul! Fuck facts!
bigi
2007-04-14 05:59 am UTC (link)
Anecdotal evidence doesn't mean anything, you're right. I love how many people here are anti-science. Yes, your anti-scientific views make you look like a genius. Fuck studies that could possibly show you to be wrong.

Ah, in that case, my dad, two uncles and cousin were all cops with the Chicago Police Department. Combined they have nearly 100 years of experience.

And they all think your advice is idiotic.

My ancedotal evidence > Yours.

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Re: Reality is evul! Fuck facts! - [info]njyoder, 2007-04-14 06:05 am UTC
Re: Reality is evul! Fuck facts! - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2007-04-14 12:02 pm UTC
Re: Reality is evul! Fuck facts! - pooka, 2007-04-14 07:23 pm UTC
Re: Statistics are evul! Fuck science!
[info]eilan
2007-04-14 07:26 am UTC (link)
Yes, we all hate science. Because, you know, we believe that you have to cite your sources even if you don't quote and just reference them. That's so un-scientific!

Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!

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Re: Statistics are evul! Fuck science! - [info]njyoder, 2007-04-14 07:29 am UTC
Re: Statistics are evul! Fuck science! - [info]eilan, 2007-04-14 07:51 am UTC
Re: Statistics are evul! Fuck science! - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2007-04-14 12:02 pm UTC
Oh, sweetie!
[info]lurker32
2007-04-14 06:39 pm UTC (link)
It's really okay if you don't give all your comments sarcastic subject lines. We all just assume that you're taking the preceding remarks as far out of context as you can drag them anyway. There's no need to make sure we get it.

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Re: Oh, sweetie! - [info]njyoder, 2007-04-14 06:50 pm UTC
Re: Statistics are evul! Fuck science!
[info]mistressrenet
2007-04-15 02:13 am UTC (link)
Okay, FINE, I give in.

Jeri Ryan is kind of hot.

Dammit.

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[info]greenling
2007-04-14 02:42 am UTC (link)
You're supposed to use that as a chance to spontaneously develop magic powers/become the Hulk/Exalt/realize your true potential/all of the above and spend the next twenty minutes developing your backstory and/or beating the crap out of people.

As it is, you're just wasting it. I mean, god.

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Comments like this aren't stupid
[info]njyoder
2007-04-14 03:14 am UTC (link)
You see, it doesn't matter that people don't read my comments. It doesn't matter that they relied on this posts incorrect summary of what I said.

You see, you guys can be repeatedly wrong, but it doesn't matter, I'm the stupid one no matter what I say.

I never suggested that nothing be done. In fact, I made that VERY clear numerous times in my argument.

But hey--fuck being right.

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Re: Comments like this aren't stupid
[info]nevadafighter
2007-04-14 03:18 am UTC (link)
It sure is lonely throwing your own pity party, isn't it, sweetie?

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Re: Comments like this aren't stupid
[info]puipui
2007-04-14 03:26 am UTC (link)
I'm the stupid one

Well, at least you got that part right!

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Re: Comments like this aren't stupid
[info]happycake
2007-04-14 04:39 am UTC (link)
Translation: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!

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Re: Comments like this aren't stupid
[info]faultypremise
2007-04-14 04:54 am UTC (link)
I'm the stupid one no matter what I say.

Well, if it talks like a duck and walks like a duck...

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Re: Comments like this aren't stupid
[info]dragonfangirl
2007-04-14 09:52 am UTC (link)
I'm the stupid one no matter what I say.

It's one of those "Show, don't tell" things. You've achieved both!

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Re: Comments like this aren't stupid
[info]sadisticferret
2007-04-14 10:42 am UTC (link)
Aw, you poor thing. Here, have some Jeri Ryan hotness.

So glad the Jeri Ryan meme caught on. So glad.

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Re: Comments like this aren't stupid
[info]luthe
2007-04-15 02:18 am UTC (link)
So am I. *drools teh HAWT*

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