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napalmnacey ([info]napalmnacey) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2007-04-30 10:41:00


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Vegan Stupid: In Varying Fun, Full Flavours!
Ganked from stupid_free (I'm hoping [info]zannechaos both doesn't mind the fact that it's borne of stupid_free and appreciative of all the effort I shall be putting into this post).

Predictable disclaimer: My best friend is a vegan! I'm focusing on the stupid, not the ethics, folks.

This post is like a vegan wank BOMB. You go into it expecting one little trickle and suddenly you're in a big ol' puddle of splooge. It's coming (hah!) from all directions too, I don't know where to start. I feel like Belladonna! Okay, we'll start at the beginning!

There's a post in [info]veganism from a concerned [info]iammicah who is going to study abroad in México. Very RURAL México. Poor, rural - you get the idea. She says she can't reasonably continue her veganism for the four months she's there so she's going to slowly wean herself back onto meat after being vegan for six years. She was wondering if anyone there had any tips for her? It's kinda like asking a priest for sex tips but hey, maybe someone there might know so it's not ENTIRELY unreasonable.



Well, that's pretty much what she got back in the form of incredibly literate [info]kari_louise:

get out of this community if you want help not being vegan. why dont you try asking for hep being vegan in a foreign country before decisiong to throw away 6 years. everything youve stood for and worked so hard for 6 years is going to be crap now, everyone will cal you a hypocrite and if you ever go back to vegan people wi just augh at you "sure just another phase". read vegan freak it might help you.

Oh, she's pretty special, this one. Even the other vegans are going "Bzuh?!" at the rage involved. Obviously they just don't get what a TRUE vegan [info]kari_louise is.

Of course, other people urge her to not give up her vegan ways. [info]vanityisdeath went to México! Of course, he went to a city rather than a farm. He says:

Mexican people are some of the most considerate I have ever met. If you kindly explain to them (before they prepare you a meal) your dietary needs I'm sure they will cater to you. (bold mine).

Yeah, maybe you might want them to polish your floors for you too, hombré?

A little further down the thread, [info]kari_louise wins the Supreme Stupid award by calling an Orthodox Jewish woman "Hitler". But she doesn't stop there. It's time for a flounce and a reminder to all of the community rules!

[info]kari_louise: can i remind the community for who and what this is for?

What. This journal is intended to be a supportive community for vegans and those who wish to become vegan. As the community progresses we hope to make an informative, comprehensive journal as well as encourage discussions on veganism and animal rights. We support the fight for animal liberation and abolishing all forms of animal exploitation through protests, boycotts, civil disobedience and non-violent direct action (taking into account that you cannot inflict acts of violence against property and other material items).

Who. We welcome all types of vegans: animal-rights oriented, health-oriented, etc.



why was this post even allowed? i dont see where this says its supportive for people who want to stop being vegan.


(bolding hers)

But everyone tells her to STFU, which is wholly satisfying to read.

Of course, if in moral doubt, reference Star Trek:

[info]gsyh: In Star Trek, the Vulcans are vegetarians, but, they do know how to hunt and gather and during their survival trips they eat stuff like lizards that they found. Their reasoning is that if they could easily avoid causing any harm even to non-sentient beings in their daily life they should as it is the logical thing to do. If the consumption of animal life is necessary for survival, then it will be illogical to feel guilty over it because the lions gotta do what the lions gotta do to survive.

Makes me wonder whether they eat replicated meat since it's molecularly the same but nothing died...


... OKAY! Don't let Faux Klingons send REAL Americans to war, people! Or should that be... don't let Real Starfleet Officers and Vulcans eat Faux Chickens? Anyhoo, moving on!

This whole scuffle is taken to [info]stupid_free and that's where it develops and grows, like a fine wine vinegar. It's vegan bashing time! Amusing macro time, too!

It's at this point that [info]entelodont (that username makes me think "Entelo-DO!") links to a seperate, equally "WTF?!" inducing wank on [info]veganpeople where [info]sophia_corvino asks:

Ok -- question:

Birth control or no birth control pill? There are numerous bad ingredients in the pill and its most likely tested on animals. I'm on it right now for regulation and for the obvious -- but I need some advice in deciding to continue it.

Also -- what about prescription drugs? If its for something not-so-serious, do you take them?


Enter our next wanker - [info]willfishguy! - who believes in the POWER of VEGETABLES! He seems to also have missed that wank about English Majors (All eleventy hundred of them) and that putting "As a..." at the beginning of something doesn't mean shit.

[info]willfishguy: As a male, I sometimes like to express my opinion in regard to the birth control pills. I'm on the 'never ever take that garbage' side, but I usually dig myself into a hole when I do express it.

... What, NO, REALLY?! I don't believe it! A wordsmith and paragon of sensitivity such as yourself must be convincing hundreds of women that BCPs are wrong and evil! As a female, I sometimes like to express my opinion that half-witted grunts like yourself should mind your own friggin' business, but I'm wanking on myself here. The real jewel of this kerfuffle is when [info]willfishguy (am I the only one reading that as 'willful selfish'?) responds to a poster's comment that she absolutely *has* to take her asthma medication. Or she'll, you know, *die*.

[info]willfishguy: Asthma can be cured in thirty days. By first removing specific foods, then by taking daily doses of MSM and most importantly learning to beathe [sic] properly.

There is no internet slang, no meme, no macro nor funny little ASCII art piece that can properly express my absolute and utter FLABBERGASTEDNESS at that comment. See, I had to resort to made up shit using fictional words, I'm so full of :O

I leave you with that, my fine wankas.

ETA: Edited cause my brain failed and so did my grammar.



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[info]expeliarbum
2007-04-30 04:37 am UTC (link)
As a woman, I absolutely lurve it when men express their opinion regarding other women's birth control choices!

Also, [info]needoll says: I don't have the pill anymore. Not only cause of animal testing, but also when you pass urine, the pill chemicals are in it, going into waterways and possibly making wildlife sterial (read it somewhere on this list once)

I'd love to know the source of that one. Really.

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[info]lykomancer
2007-04-30 04:47 am UTC (link)
Actually, I've heard something similar-- though I'm without sources or a very accurate memory, I'm afraid. Something about the progestagens. *shrugs and turns to Wiki*

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[info]frequentmouse
2007-04-30 04:47 am UTC (link)
There's been discussion of the levels of drugs and hormones in surface water all over the place (peer reviewed journals, mainstream newspapers, NPR, BBC) for about the past six months, although excreted metabolites don't seem to be as big a problem as people discarding old prescriptions by flushing them down the toilet.

One of the more fun things to come out in this discussion is that Puget Sound is caffienated.

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[info]expeliarbum
2007-04-30 04:54 am UTC (link)
Really? I did a quick search in pubmed and I wasn't able to find anything. Apparently my pubmed-fu is getting weaker and weaker. I'm going to have to put in more time, because now I'm more curious than ever.

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(no subject) - [info]frequentmouse, 2007-04-30 05:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]qem_chibati, 2007-04-30 05:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]expeliarbum, 2007-04-30 06:17 am UTC

[info]daylightsparks
2007-04-30 05:12 am UTC (link)
Puget Sound is caffienated.

Given the amount of coffee consumption in the Pacific Northwest, that doesn't surprise me at all.

- an Oregonian chai drinker

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[info]visp
2007-04-30 05:23 am UTC (link)
I believe it.

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[info]hallidae
2007-04-30 05:22 pm UTC (link)
Someone brought this up in a political science class last semester, only he claimed the government was doing it on purpose to keep the population down. Since he brought it up in a completely unrelated discussion, however, our (male) professor got annoyed and replied with "Chemicals in the water are keeping me from getting pregnant, huh? And here I always thought it was basic biology."

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iwanttobeasleep
2007-04-30 05:04 am UTC (link)
NPR's Science Friday had a fascinating bit of intersex fish. I didn't listen to it, of course, because I'd prefer to take my pills and feel normal without feeling guilty about turning populations of fish into hermaphrodites.

LOL@sterial, though.

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[info]txvoodoo
2007-05-01 08:23 pm UTC (link)
Many fish actually change sex without any BCP runoff :)

Clownfish start out as unsexed juveniles. If you have two, one will eventually become female and dominant, and grow substantially larger than the other fish. If the female dies and another is introduced, another female will eventually emerge from either of the new fish.

/fishgeek

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(no subject) - [info]jabberwockypie, 2007-05-01 11:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]txvoodoo, 2007-05-01 11:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sharps, 2007-05-02 06:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]txvoodoo, 2007-05-02 08:56 pm UTC

[info]warchio
2007-04-30 06:15 am UTC (link)
Torchwood.

Captain Jack's first speech. It was funny. :D

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[info]napalmnacey
2007-04-30 06:23 am UTC (link)
Yep. *Everything* Jack says is true. Especially about sex. :D

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[info]tianxiaode
2007-04-30 08:13 am UTC (link)
Heh. Was waiting for someone to bring this up. *g*

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[info]seiberwing
2007-04-30 01:43 pm UTC (link)
What did he say?

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(no subject) - [info]threegoldfish, 2007-04-30 01:48 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]issendai, 2007-04-30 11:55 pm UTC
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[info]chaos_theory
2007-05-01 02:26 pm UTC (link)
Yargh! Just said that further down. I should have known that someone would have thought of that already. Captain Jack is the world's leading fictional expert on chemical run-off, dontchaknow.

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[info]warrioreowyn
2007-04-30 04:41 pm UTC (link)
As a woman, I absolutely lurve it when men express their opinion regarding other women's birth control choices!

Why is this so much more offensive than someone saying, "I don't think people should eat deep-fried foods because it's unhealthy"? Or, "I don't think people should take Aspirin"? Or, for that matter, "People shouldn't eat meat because it's cruel"? Yes, it's a birth-control method, and it's also something with debatable health effects, and there's no reason to regard commentary on whether it's advisable or not as more out-of-place than commentary on anything else people ingest.

I've heard that the pill increases your likelihood of getting some kind of cancer, but I don't know if that's reliable or not.

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[info]influencethis
2007-04-30 05:08 pm UTC (link)
Well, I don't know this argument from Adam, but the thing that sticks out to me is there aren't many easy, reliable alternatives. Vegan? Eat veggies and get in some protein & iron supplements. Asprin alergies? Try ibuprofen. Deep fried? There's...kentucky fried?

But for birth control, you could either A. use a bunch of condoms, which are very visible pollutants that can't really be recycled B. use one of the invasive and often unhelpful "family planning methods" C. get one of those non-hormonal IUD things that can be prohibitively expensive, and that at least in the US requires doctors to know how long you've been sleeping with someone "exclusively" in order to provide it or D. go without and don't have sex.

Not to say that there aren't legitimate environmental concerns, but since they're invisible to the public now, it's kind of a boogeyman. WOOOO! Hermaphrodite fish! Give us your HBC! Add to that the fact it's a man saying it, who will never ever experience pregnancy no matter how hard he empathizes, and one who seems to have been slapped with a stupid stick, and people are going to be wary of whatever he claims to be happening.

AND....I just got unfunny in OTF. Commence the trout-slapping

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(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2007-04-30 05:37 pm UTC

[info]ladyvorkosigan
2007-04-30 05:29 pm UTC (link)
Speaking only for myself, I find it kind of annoying when people tell me I shouldn't eat deep-fried foods because they're unhealthy.

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(no subject) - [info]funwithrage, 2007-04-30 11:20 pm UTC
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[info]onaga
2007-04-30 05:57 pm UTC (link)
Because basically the entirety of human history has been full of men telling women what they should and shouldn't do with their uteri?

Or maybe that's just me.

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(no subject) - [info]warrioreowyn, 2007-04-30 07:08 pm UTC
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[info]breecita
2007-04-30 07:52 pm UTC (link)
I've heard that the pill increases your likelihood of getting some kind of cancer, but I don't know if that's reliable or not.

I heard that taking the pill makes you seem like a giant whore. I don't know if that's reliable or not either, but I think it might be.

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(no subject) - [info]stoney321, 2007-04-30 09:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]breecita, 2007-04-30 10:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2007-05-01 05:10 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2007-05-01 05:04 am UTC
The more you know!
[info]jetamors
2007-04-30 08:19 pm UTC (link)
According to Wikipedia, some studies have shown a link to breast cancer, but it's really complex and may just boil down to the fact that women getting the pill go to the doctor more often. The pill definitely can affect coagulation, though, which is why it's contraindicated for women with cardiovascular disease or a family history of clots.

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Re: The more you know! - [info]chaimonkey, 2007-05-02 03:42 am UTC
Re: The more you know! - [info]chaimonkey, 2007-05-02 03:44 am UTC
Re: The more you know! - [info]chaimonkey, 2007-05-02 03:43 am UTC

[info]aposiopetic
2007-04-30 09:48 pm UTC (link)
I had one of my pre-med-nurse friends tell me that hormonal birth control which suppresses you from getting your period in the first place is thought to decrease cervical cancer, because your system is going through the whole rip-itself-apart-and-repair cycle fewer times. This was probably three years ago though, so between her knowledge and my memory you should take that with a pretty big grain of salt.

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(no subject) - [info]wankaholic, 2007-05-01 05:07 am UTC

[info]queencallipygos
2007-04-30 06:03 pm UTC (link)
I'd heard different, actually -- that the increased hormonal levels in urine from people on various medications (not just the Pill, but also from menopause-alleviating medications) were causing children to begin puberty at an earlier age on average.

...If you think about it, her argument makes no sense, becuase the birth control pill is just hormones, synthesized though they may be -- and is it me, or do human hormones NOT WORK on other species? (not that they may not be harmful, but I would think it would be a little naive to assume that every chemical on the planet affects every species in exactly the same way.)

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[info]ladyvorkosigan
2007-04-30 06:36 pm UTC (link)
Well, they are working differently on other species, right? They're not preventing pregnancy; they're turning fish into weird hermaphrodites or whatever. (Also, and God knows I'm no biologist so I could be completely wrong, but aren't hormones one of those things that are far enough back in our evolutionary history that there's a far number of similarities in function between humans and other vertebrates?)

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(no subject) - [info]queencallipygos, 2007-04-30 06:59 pm UTC

[info]the_mouse
2007-04-30 06:45 pm UTC (link)
Really? I always assumed it was partially due to obesity- doesn't the pitutary gland kick in when you reach a certain weight/age? And that since children are getting more overweight they're hitting puberty sooner? Am I making this up again?

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(no subject) - [info]queencallipygos, 2007-04-30 06:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]aposiopetic, 2007-04-30 09:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]issendai, 2007-05-01 12:00 am UTC
Source
[info]chaos_theory
2007-05-01 02:24 pm UTC (link)
Torchwood?

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