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Vegan Stupid: In Varying Fun, Full Flavours!
Ganked from stupid_free (I'm hoping zannechaos both doesn't mind the fact that it's borne of stupid_free and appreciative of all the effort I shall be putting into this post).

Predictable disclaimer: ~~My best friend is a vegan!~~ I'm focusing on the stupid, not the ethics, folks.

This post is like a vegan wank BOMB. You go into it expecting one little trickle and suddenly you're in a big ol' puddle of splooge. It's coming (hah!) from all directions too, I don't know where to start. I feel like Belladonna! Okay, we'll start at the beginning!

There's a post in veganism from a concerned iammicah who is going to study abroad in México. Very RURAL México. Poor, rural - you get the idea. She says she can't reasonably continue her veganism for the four months she's there so she's going to slowly wean herself back onto meat after being vegan for six years. She was wondering if anyone there had any tips for her? It's kinda like asking a priest for sex tips but hey, maybe someone there might know so it's not ENTIRELY unreasonable.

Well, that's pretty much what she got back in the form of incredibly literate kari_louise:

get out of this community if you want help not being vegan. why dont you try asking for hep being vegan in a foreign country before decisiong to throw away 6 years. everything youve stood for and worked so hard for 6 years is going to be crap now, everyone will cal you a hypocrite and if you ever go back to vegan people wi just augh at you "sure just another phase". read vegan freak it might help you.

Oh, she's pretty special, this one. Even the other vegans are going "Bzuh?!" at the rage involved. Obviously they just don't get what a TRUE vegan kari_louise is.

Of course, other people urge her to not give up her vegan ways. vanityisdeath went to México! Of course, he went to a city rather than a farm. He says:

Mexican people are some of the most considerate I have ever met. If you kindly explain to them (before they prepare you a meal) your dietary needs I'm sure they will cater to you. (bold mine).

Yeah, maybe you might want them to polish your floors for you too, hombré?

A little further down the thread, kari_louise wins the Supreme Stupid award by calling an Orthodox Jewish woman "Hitler". But she doesn't stop there. It's time for a flounce and a reminder to all of the community rules!

kari_louise: can i remind the community for who and what this is for?

What. This journal is intended to be a supportive community for vegans and those who wish to become vegan. As the community progresses we hope to make an informative, comprehensive journal as well as encourage discussions on veganism and animal rights. We support the fight for animal liberation and abolishing all forms of animal exploitation through protests, boycotts, civil disobedience and non-violent direct action (taking into account that you cannot inflict acts of violence against property and other material items).

Who. We welcome all types of vegans: animal-rights oriented, health-oriented, etc.

why was this post even allowed? i dont see where this says its supportive for people who want to stop being vegan.

(bolding hers)

But everyone tells her to STFU, which is wholly satisfying to read.

Of course, if in moral doubt, reference Star Trek:

gsyh: In Star Trek, the Vulcans are vegetarians, but, they do know how to hunt and gather and during their survival trips they eat stuff like lizards that they found. Their reasoning is that if they could easily avoid causing any harm even to non-sentient beings in their daily life they should as it is the logical thing to do. If the consumption of animal life is necessary for survival, then it will be illogical to feel guilty over it because the lions gotta do what the lions gotta do to survive.

Makes me wonder whether they eat replicated meat since it's molecularly the same but nothing died...

... OKAY! Don't let Faux Klingons send REAL Americans to war, people! Or should that be... don't let Real Starfleet Officers and Vulcans eat Faux Chickens? Anyhoo, moving on!

This whole scuffle is taken to stupid_free and that's where it develops and grows, like a fine ~~wine~~ vinegar. It's vegan bashing time! Amusing macro time, too!

It's at this point that entelodont (that username makes me think "Entelo-DO!") links to a seperate, equally "WTF?!" inducing wank on veganpeople where sophia_corvino asks:

Ok -- question:

Birth control or no birth control pill? There are numerous bad ingredients in the pill and its most likely tested on animals. I'm on it right now for regulation and for the obvious -- but I need some advice in deciding to continue it.

Also -- what about prescription drugs? If its for something not-so-serious, do you take them?

Enter our next wanker - willfishguy! - who believes in the POWER of VEGETABLES! He seems to also have missed that wank about English Majors (All eleventy hundred of them) and that putting "As a..." at the beginning of something doesn't mean shit.

willfishguy: As a male, I sometimes like to express my opinion in regard to the birth control pills. I'm on the 'never ever take that garbage' side, but I usually dig myself into a hole when I do express it.

... What, NO, REALLY?! I don't believe it! A wordsmith and paragon of sensitivity such as yourself must be convincing hundreds of women that BCPs are wrong and evil! As a female, I sometimes like to express my opinion that half-witted grunts like yourself should mind your own friggin' business, but I'm wanking on myself here. The real jewel of this kerfuffle is when willfishguy (am I the only one reading that as 'willful selfish'?) responds to a poster's comment that she absolutely *has* to take her asthma medication. Or she'll, you know, *die*.

willfishguy: Asthma can be cured in thirty days. By first removing specific foods, then by taking daily doses of MSM and most importantly learning to beathe [sic] properly.

There is no internet slang, no meme, no macro nor funny little ASCII art piece that can properly express my absolute and utter FLABBERGASTEDNESS at that comment. See, I had to resort to ~~made up shit~~ using fictional words, I'm so full of :O

I leave you with that, my fine wankas.

ETA: Edited cause my brain failed and so did my grammar.

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onaga
2007-04-30 01:32 pm UTC (link)

Did you see this bit of genius from him?

This actually an outrageous lie. Through out history people all over the world have lived well into their 80's and 90's. A long healthy life is about nutrition, exercise and a healthy environment, not drugs. And You also need to take into consideration that Your bogus stats are actually derived from times during two world wars and the up-start of the industrial revolution and it poisonous work environments, plus all the deadly mining conditions that fed industry. That is why people were short lived, war and deadly work environments!

Western Medicine needs to be destroyed and started over. Thank goodness it's well on it's way out!

...actually, average lifespans have increased because we no longer have sky-high infant mortality and mothers dying in childbirth, but thanks for playing!

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	threegoldfish 2007-04-30 01:45 pm UTC (link)
	Ah, interesting. Any idea what the statistic is if you discount those? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	onaga 2007-04-30 01:49 pm UTC (link)
	I don't have numbers to hand, at the minute; I'm thinking in particular back to antiquity and the Greeks and Romans. XD Also, this guy is babbling about the industrial revolution and the world wars as if they happened at the same time, which... no. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	threegoldfish 2007-04-30 01:55 pm UTC (link)
	Why let history and fact get in the way of a good batshit theory? (Reply to this)(Parent)

issendai
2007-05-01 12:24 am UTC (link)

I don't have statistics either, but old age set in in the 50's, and it was uncommon for people to live past the 60's. Not incredibly rare, and the percentage varies widely by time and place, but uncommon.

Infant mortality causes a bigger drop in the average lifespan than death in childbirth. (Removing infant mortality can make a very low average lifespan double.) Not only did a higher percentage of babies than mothers die, but maternal deaths were counterbalanced by male deaths from war, occupational diseases and accidents, adolescent stupidity, etc.

Wow, I'm lecture-y tonight. Er. Basically, most people throughout history expected to die of old age in their 60's, mmmmaybe their early 70's.

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	threegoldfish 2007-05-01 12:29 am UTC (link)
	Cool, thanks for the info! I'm all for lecture-y. I know it makes Sep's eye twitch, but I like the learnings on OTF. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	isntitironic 2007-04-30 01:53 pm UTC (link)
	Excuse me. I'm going to go beat this person over the head with a big, thick book of Roman tomb inscriptions, almost all of which are for people who died at thirty. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

isntitironic
2007-04-30 01:58 pm UTC (link)

Ooh, ooh, and you know the number one reason why people didn't live very long back then?

POOR NUTRITION.

Actually, life spans dropped during the Middle Ages, because people weren't eating enough protein. You hear about the occasional medieval guy who lived to be eighty, but he's invariably a nobleman or connected with the church, because those people had access to... wait for it...

MEAT.

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vigilanterodent
2007-04-30 04:18 pm UTC (link)

Plus, PLAGUES.

Did Europeans have access to a complete, balanced vegetarian protein source? There are plenty of cultures which come up with something that covers all the turf, like the corn/beans/squash combo in the Americas, but European history has always given me the distinct impression that it's a freaking miracle Europe managed to last more than a century, much less take over the world.

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	geegaw 2007-04-30 04:30 pm UTC (link)
	I believe reading once, and this is off the top of my head from memory, that the lentils/dark bread/oatmeal porridge diet did reasonably well for people, beets and cabbage and dairy added in as per region - but as with all such combos, if any one element was missing for too long, as it often was, trouble set in. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	onaga 2007-04-30 01:58 pm UTC (link)
	<3 <3 <3 <3 <3! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	cookie_love 2007-04-30 04:20 pm UTC (link)
	Holy shit, it's Tom Cruise! O_o (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	doomsday 2007-04-30 04:27 pm UTC (link)
	That was my exact thought: Tom Cruise got himself an LJ! He can't dwell on PPD anymore because, you know, he's all buddy-buddy with Brooke Shields, but asthma's still fair game. Now I want Matt Lauer to get an LJ too so we can have glib wank! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	black_spot 2007-04-30 09:08 pm UTC (link)
	I’m going for the red wine bet in copious amounts. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	suzycat 2007-05-01 12:30 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, don't count those silly women! Death in childbirth is simply nature's way of ensuring men spread their manly seed unimpeded by the pill to as many young hawt not-dead women as possible! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	chaimonkey 2007-05-02 04:03 am UTC (link)
	Through out history people all over the world have lived well into their 80's and 90's. Sure, if you're talking about the evil relatives who NEVER DIE. (Reply to this)(Parent)

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