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Vegan Stupid: In Varying Fun, Full Flavours!
Ganked from stupid_free (I'm hoping zannechaos both doesn't mind the fact that it's borne of stupid_free and appreciative of all the effort I shall be putting into this post).

Predictable disclaimer: ~~My best friend is a vegan!~~ I'm focusing on the stupid, not the ethics, folks.

This post is like a vegan wank BOMB. You go into it expecting one little trickle and suddenly you're in a big ol' puddle of splooge. It's coming (hah!) from all directions too, I don't know where to start. I feel like Belladonna! Okay, we'll start at the beginning!

There's a post in veganism from a concerned iammicah who is going to study abroad in México. Very RURAL México. Poor, rural - you get the idea. She says she can't reasonably continue her veganism for the four months she's there so she's going to slowly wean herself back onto meat after being vegan for six years. She was wondering if anyone there had any tips for her? It's kinda like asking a priest for sex tips but hey, maybe someone there might know so it's not ENTIRELY unreasonable.

Well, that's pretty much what she got back in the form of incredibly literate kari_louise:

get out of this community if you want help not being vegan. why dont you try asking for hep being vegan in a foreign country before decisiong to throw away 6 years. everything youve stood for and worked so hard for 6 years is going to be crap now, everyone will cal you a hypocrite and if you ever go back to vegan people wi just augh at you "sure just another phase". read vegan freak it might help you.

Oh, she's pretty special, this one. Even the other vegans are going "Bzuh?!" at the rage involved. Obviously they just don't get what a TRUE vegan kari_louise is.

Of course, other people urge her to not give up her vegan ways. vanityisdeath went to México! Of course, he went to a city rather than a farm. He says:

Mexican people are some of the most considerate I have ever met. If you kindly explain to them (before they prepare you a meal) your dietary needs I'm sure they will cater to you. (bold mine).

Yeah, maybe you might want them to polish your floors for you too, hombré?

A little further down the thread, kari_louise wins the Supreme Stupid award by calling an Orthodox Jewish woman "Hitler". But she doesn't stop there. It's time for a flounce and a reminder to all of the community rules!

kari_louise: can i remind the community for who and what this is for?

What. This journal is intended to be a supportive community for vegans and those who wish to become vegan. As the community progresses we hope to make an informative, comprehensive journal as well as encourage discussions on veganism and animal rights. We support the fight for animal liberation and abolishing all forms of animal exploitation through protests, boycotts, civil disobedience and non-violent direct action (taking into account that you cannot inflict acts of violence against property and other material items).

Who. We welcome all types of vegans: animal-rights oriented, health-oriented, etc.

why was this post even allowed? i dont see where this says its supportive for people who want to stop being vegan.

(bolding hers)

But everyone tells her to STFU, which is wholly satisfying to read.

Of course, if in moral doubt, reference Star Trek:

gsyh: In Star Trek, the Vulcans are vegetarians, but, they do know how to hunt and gather and during their survival trips they eat stuff like lizards that they found. Their reasoning is that if they could easily avoid causing any harm even to non-sentient beings in their daily life they should as it is the logical thing to do. If the consumption of animal life is necessary for survival, then it will be illogical to feel guilty over it because the lions gotta do what the lions gotta do to survive.

Makes me wonder whether they eat replicated meat since it's molecularly the same but nothing died...

... OKAY! Don't let Faux Klingons send REAL Americans to war, people! Or should that be... don't let Real Starfleet Officers and Vulcans eat Faux Chickens? Anyhoo, moving on!

This whole scuffle is taken to stupid_free and that's where it develops and grows, like a fine ~~wine~~ vinegar. It's vegan bashing time! Amusing macro time, too!

It's at this point that entelodont (that username makes me think "Entelo-DO!") links to a seperate, equally "WTF?!" inducing wank on veganpeople where sophia_corvino asks:

Ok -- question:

Birth control or no birth control pill? There are numerous bad ingredients in the pill and its most likely tested on animals. I'm on it right now for regulation and for the obvious -- but I need some advice in deciding to continue it.

Also -- what about prescription drugs? If its for something not-so-serious, do you take them?

Enter our next wanker - willfishguy! - who believes in the POWER of VEGETABLES! He seems to also have missed that wank about English Majors (All eleventy hundred of them) and that putting "As a..." at the beginning of something doesn't mean shit.

willfishguy: As a male, I sometimes like to express my opinion in regard to the birth control pills. I'm on the 'never ever take that garbage' side, but I usually dig myself into a hole when I do express it.

... What, NO, REALLY?! I don't believe it! A wordsmith and paragon of sensitivity such as yourself must be convincing hundreds of women that BCPs are wrong and evil! As a female, I sometimes like to express my opinion that half-witted grunts like yourself should mind your own friggin' business, but I'm wanking on myself here. The real jewel of this kerfuffle is when willfishguy (am I the only one reading that as 'willful selfish'?) responds to a poster's comment that she absolutely *has* to take her asthma medication. Or she'll, you know, *die*.

willfishguy: Asthma can be cured in thirty days. By first removing specific foods, then by taking daily doses of MSM and most importantly learning to beathe [sic] properly.

There is no internet slang, no meme, no macro nor funny little ASCII art piece that can properly express my absolute and utter FLABBERGASTEDNESS at that comment. See, I had to resort to ~~made up shit~~ using fictional words, I'm so full of :O

I leave you with that, my fine wankas.

ETA: Edited cause my brain failed and so did my grammar.

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telophase
2007-04-30 05:15 pm UTC (link)

This is why I don't tell many people about my recent ADHD diagnosis. Because the 30odd years of chronic inability to plan or finish anything pre-meds and the four amazing months of being able to actually get things done post-meds have nothing to do with it and it's all a matter of just applying myself/committing to $DEITY of choice/eating the right food/popping the right supplement.

Pfui.

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	napalmnacey 2007-05-01 04:39 am UTC (link)
	Sorry to be nosey, but what made you try to find out if you had ADHD? It's just I can never figure out if there's something wrong with me or if I'm just incredibly lazy. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

telophase
2007-05-01 04:53 am UTC (link)

It's something I'd wondered about for a long time. What galvanized me to actually go to a doctor about it was a combination of becoming so unable to focus on anything that I wasn't doing any work for most of the day, to the point where I could have been fired if anyone figured out how little I was doing, plus a new coworker who had ADHD himself. He was the one that pointed out that hyperfocus - the ability to focus in on one thing for long periods of time - is, ironically, one of the symptoms.

So I had my regular doctor refer me to someone who handles psychiatric stuff, and they examined me, gave me a test, talked about my childhood - the symptoms have to have appeared in childhood for it to be ADHD - and gave me a prescription of Strattera, this fairly new non-stimulant stuff that takes a while to kick in. After a month or so, I could start seeing little differences - it's not a miracle cure by any means (I really need cognitive therapy to help me break bad habits, but it ain't in the budget), but I can now do things like stick to an eating plan and exercise program, remember to make my lunch every night and remember to take it to work in the morning, it's a little bit easier to focus in on work I ahve to do, and so on.

I don't think it's a coincidence that I've been able to count calories and get on a stationary bike 6 days out of every 7 since mid-January (and lose 30 pounds! whee!) when I'd never been able to stick to an exercise plan or eat consistently for longer than two days in a row before. I'm actually eager to start learning a foreign language at some point in the future, because I think I may finally be able to study for the first time in my entire life.

It's up and down - right now I'm in a highly distractible mood, mostly due to sleep deprivation over the past few days. That'll improve once I catch up. And when something big happens, like when the nimrod who lives above me flooded his apartment causing water damage in mine, I regressed to almost my previous level of inability to focus for a couple of weeks (was still able to exercise, though).

More than you wanted to know, huh? :) My cousin has ADHD, but he's got the type with hyperactivity and I've got the type with inattention, so we express it in completely different ways. He can't sit still, while I get bored easily and can't pay attention and drift off into daydreams.

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napalmnacey
2007-05-01 05:35 am UTC (link)

See, you sound just like me. So much like me it's scary. My whole life has been a mess cause I could never concentrate on studying in school and I just *know* when I have a task in front of me that I'll never finish it. I never finish anything. I keep screwing up any sort of college courses I do cause I peter out halfway through and go into brain shut-down. I always thought that I'm just really freakin' lazy, you know? Which I'm still assuming.

But sometimes I get these periods where I work intensely. Like on my comic and stuff. Or a book. And ALL I do is that project, to the detriment of the rest of my life.

As a result I've got a whole pile of artwork and unfinished projects that have heaps of promise, but no real accomplishments to speak of. Very depressing, really.

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	telophase 2007-05-01 05:37 am UTC (link)
	Yup, that sounds eerily familiar. :D I could only get things accomplished by engineering other people to provide deadlines for me, because any deadline I set myself just wasn't going to get met. I thought I was lazy, too. It's certainly worth going in and getting looked at. :) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	napalmnacey 2007-05-01 06:05 am UTC (link)
	Thanks, I might do that. Which, you know, having yet ANOTHER condition on top of my other ones - my Dad thinks I'm the worst hypochondriac because in the space of five years I've been diagnosed with migraines, depression, endometriosis, irritable bowel syndrome and I've had two surgeries. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

telophase
2007-05-01 11:15 am UTC (link)

You can't be worse than my aunt, whose hobby is having surgery, it seems. My mom and I speculate every year about what she's going to get operated on this time - and it's never cosmetic, either.

I've got migraines, too (the associated apathy and lethargy tend to overcome the Strattera for a day or two when I have them). And Strattera is also a mild antidepressant - I think they discovered its effects on ADHD when testing it for antidepressant qualities - so that may help in that area. Plus, if IIRC depression can sometimes be helped by things like regular exercise, and being able to finish things you start.

I'm speculating here and don't want you to think it's a miracle cure, because it isn't. :) It hasn't been the difference between night and day for me, but it's been the difference between, say, twilight and daybreak. :)

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	napalmnacey 2007-05-01 12:06 pm UTC (link)
	Well, I'll mention it to the neurologist I'm booked to see in the next couple of weeks. (Reply to this)(Parent)

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semtex
2007-05-01 10:16 am UTC (link)

This, too, could be my life story. Especially the hyper focused bit. And it wasn't until a year or so ago I was diagnosed with ADD, the inattentive kind..
Unfortunately since I moved, I haven't found a new doctor. I was taking Adderal, which oddly enough while it is a stimulant, actually HELPED ME SLEEP. Now, I've got this new job in which my "ability" to hyper focus but only if I'm REALLY interested in what I'm doing plays to my advantage. Then again, there's the sheer stress of hiding my ~~incompetence~~ ~~laziness~~ ~~flakiness~~ different way of thinking from my coworkers.
This comment has been brought to you by Insomnia™ and TMI™ - enjoy some tonight!

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