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jetwolf ([info]jetwolf) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2007-05-02 13:42:00


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The Nazi Legacy: Dead Jews and "No Smoking" Signs
Over in LJ Land there's this fun little community by the name of [info]damnportlanders. It's an awesome comm for the most part, but does have its share of, shall we say, disproportionately passionate folks. Exhibit A: [info]bennetfox.

Yesterday he posted a rant entitled To the Anti-Smoking Gestapo. From zero to Godwin's in 1.3 seconds? This can only get better.

The crux of his complaint is the smoking ban placed on Pioneer Courthouse Square in Portland, Oregon. Bear in mind that this ordinance went into effect on 1 January 2007, so I'm not sure why his frothing rage had to marinate for 5 months first, but okay.

[info]bennetfox is incensed with this inconvenience to his personal liberties, and lashes out at everyone who supported this ban. All of whom are planet-killing SUV owners who deserve a painful and messy death.

And as I watched this unfold yesterday, I was just going to let it be stupid all on its own. But [info]bennetfox returned today, enthusiastically pointing the Gestapo to other major cities that they can "ruin" next.

But really it's all okay cuz he's just doing it for the lulz.

Keep Portland Wanky!


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[info]zaliesiren
2007-05-03 02:42 am UTC (link)
I'm trying to remember the exact phrasing of the episode. Basically that yes, it does, but the danger is so very minimal that it barely registers and has been hyped up by the media over the past couple decades and blown WAY out of proportion.

Damn, now I'm going to end up searching around YouTube.

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[info]seiberwing
2007-05-03 02:47 am UTC (link)
Still stinks like hell, though.

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[info]zaliesiren
2007-05-03 02:48 am UTC (link)
Oh that it does. That it does.

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[info]seiberwing
2007-05-03 02:53 am UTC (link)
And explain the icon.

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[info]zaliesiren
2007-05-03 03:01 am UTC (link)
Oh geeze. "Dance of the Vampires" - short lived Broadway musical written by Jim Steinman based on the old movie "Fearless Vampire Killers."

The scene is Herbert (flaming gay vampire son of the count) and Alfred (dashingly inept hero). Herbert lures Alfred into his room and tries to sleep with him. The icon is Alfred's attempts to ward him off. I explain funny scene poorly.

The German production, Tanz Der Vampire, is my favorite. The American NYC version was just over the top and campy. Fun, but campy.

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[info]seiberwing
2007-05-03 03:18 am UTC (link)
But does it work or is there happy vampire sex?

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[info]zaliesiren
2007-05-03 03:25 am UTC (link)
No. ;.; Well, not happy gay!vampire sex. Presumably, there is vampire sex at the end, because the vampires win!

...Hm, perhaps there is happy gay!vampire sex. Just not onstage.

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[info]seiberwing
2007-05-03 03:31 am UTC (link)
Yay!

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[info]winter
2007-05-03 06:40 am UTC (link)
There is dream happy gay vampire sex. And threesome.

*totally hasn't seen it 22 times in Warsaw and Vienna, nor owns 10 video bootlegs of other productions*

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[info]seiberwing
2007-05-03 03:00 pm UTC (link)
Any chance of finding clips of said vampire sex?

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[info]winter
2007-05-03 03:08 pm UTC (link)
This is the dream sequence (from a gorgeous video boot that, alas, suffers from The Most Mediocre Cast Ever). And the gay vampire himself (featuring Aris Sas, one of the better Alfreds, and Máté Kamarás as the gay vampire - I have a chance of catching him in Budapest this summer and this is the one guy I want to ambush at the stagedoor and glomp)

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[info]winter
2007-05-03 06:42 am UTC (link)
*cough* Jim Steinman kind of mostly recycled old music for it ;) The writing was Michael Kunze's.

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[info]zaliesiren
2007-05-03 07:08 pm UTC (link)
*nods* Yes, but his name is the one all over the damned place on the sites and whatnot. There were so many changes (not all bad!) to the NYC version that I'm not sure who wrote what.

I don't think I've ever laughed so hard when I heard them start singing "Total Eclipse of the Heart."

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[info]winter
2007-05-03 07:12 pm UTC (link)
I think Steinman was the one who did the translation into English, though all other changes IIRC are Crawford's. I assume you were unlucky enough to be subjected to it live?

(I started watching a video of it once. Had to stop after 30 seconds because all my astral Von Krolocks started shouting in my head. Since I have four from various productions, it was quite a racket.)

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[info]come_love_sleep
2007-05-03 04:14 am UTC (link)
Unless you're allergic or asthmatic. There'r weeks when one of my sisters dares not go to public places, because a breath of secondhand smoke can hospitalise her. :(

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[info]zaliesiren
2007-05-03 04:16 am UTC (link)
I know. *points up to original comment* I mentioned that. My best friend is terribly allergic, so I never light up within breathing distance.

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[info]come_love_sleep
2007-05-03 04:20 am UTC (link)
*facepalm*
Oh, I can read, I can.

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[info]amymccabe
2007-05-03 02:20 pm UTC (link)
I've got the same issue. Oddly enough, cigars and pipe smoke is alright (abet stinky). Cigarettes stop me from being able to breath.

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[info]athy
2007-05-03 05:40 pm UTC (link)
Huh maybe it's allergies that do that to me. I start coughing and can't stop if I get close enough to smoke. I have to actively concentrate on not coughing just to force myself to stop. It could, possibly, be mental as well. But my lungs suck so I'm not sure.

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[info]amymccabe
2007-05-03 06:23 pm UTC (link)
I had asked my doctor about it. He suspects it is that I am either allergic to something in cigarettes or much more sensitive than usual to one of the added poisons typically found in cigarettes, but not commonly so in cigars (like arsenic). I don't know and the doctor said it wasn't actually worth investigating; just stay away from cigarettes.

In truth, smoke itself can irritate people with asthma and other lung conditions. If you lungs are weakened by something, you could just have trouble with smoke in general too.

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[info]tachikoma01
2007-05-03 03:38 pm UTC (link)
I'm not as seriously bad with it as a friend of mine, who has nearly been hospitalized from simply having a smoker (who was not smoking at the time) walk past her since he was literally saturated in the cigarette smell.

However... sometimes I end up at a loss on public transit, because a heavy smoker will plunk down next to me and I'll be gagging on his/her reek. Do I ask them to move, or do I just suck it up and move because I'm the one with the problem?

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[info]zaliesiren
2007-05-03 11:39 pm UTC (link)
That's a tough one. One the one hand, I like to think I wouldn't be offended if you (hypothetically) asked me to move because the smell of smoke bothered you, but on the other hand: if I don't have a cigarette in my hand at that moment? Tough cookies.

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[info]threegoldfish
2007-05-04 03:04 pm UTC (link)
I'd say it makes more sense for you to move because it's the one solution on that will work on a crowded train. I mean, it's not like you can shove him into a shower. Although, once at the opera in Vienna, a lady in front of me "spilled" a bottle of perfume all over a guy that reeked of onions, BO and all manner of gagworthy things so that we could make it through the second act without vomiting.

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[info]sharps
2007-05-04 04:10 pm UTC (link)
I'd say they're the one with the problem. If you're making yourself stink by sucking on a paper tube full of burning leaves...

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[info]amymccabe
2007-05-03 02:19 pm UTC (link)
I suspect that if you encounter it now and again, chances are you aren't getting enough to kill you (unless, like me, you are allergic to it and quickly lose the ability to breath). I think the real danger of second hand smoke is probably only if you are exposed to a lot of it over the course of years, e.i. parents smoking in the house with kids.

But since I can't breath around cigarette smoke, and it generally kills off those that do it anyway, I'm all for banning it.

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