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sometime practicioner of earth logic ([info]imadra_blue) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2007-05-10 15:08:00


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Wanky Biblical Exegesis Fun For The Whole Family!
So, [info]skzbrust, author of the Dragaera books (of which contain, most notably, the Vlad Taltos series) posted a little blurb on his LJ* about a Republican friend of his who offered a sarcastic alteration of John 3:15 to prove a point about gay-bashing.

Because it deserves to be posted everywhere, this friend said:
"That whosoever believeth in him may not perish, but may have life everlasting, except for you two cocksuckers in back, because ain't no fucking fags gettin' into heaven!"

Most people respond with sarcasm in a similar vein or with resounding approval, but what's a post about Jesus without someone commenting who misses the point? Aptly titling the comment with "Someone is confused," "Holy Crusader For Great Justice" aka [info]dvcastle says:

"Speaking for Jesus is a pretty bold move. I mean, if the manger and the cross and the entire story in between doesn't scream out that the penultimate virtue is humility then maybe I missed something."

Then, "Bitter Satanist Somebody Set Up Us The Bomb" aka [info]cpxbrex responds with:

"Jesus doesn't come off to me as particularly humble. He comes off as an arrogant jerk, really....Sorry, any asshat who condemns most of the human race to hellfire because they don't accept the holy spirit or whatever is not humble. That's arrogance on a massive scale."

Now, really, [info]cpxbrex, don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel!

As predicted by cloistered Franciscan monks for thousands of years in ancient prophecy, the people respond to this heresy. Responses vary from agreement to patient sermons about how awesome Jesus really was, because he died and stuff.

Choice quotes:
[info]hellmutt: "He comes across very arrogantly to me too (although at least he denies that he's God, which is nice)."

Uh, denies he's God? That's funny, he spends most of the Gospel of John affirming that he and the Father are one. Someone fell asleep during Sunday school.

[info]cpxbrex: "Positive aspect of his religion? When was the last time a Christian was humble?"

I'm guessing he doesn't know many people or read much history?

[info]mattador: "While I respect the point you're trying to make, a) turning down a gift doesn't mean it wasn't given to you, and b) you have absolutely no empirical basis for saying that you haven't been helped by it happening."

Aren't religionists cute when they use big words like "empirical?"

[info]talesya: "This is the most patently absurd claim Christians like to make. They somehow think that an all-powerful being being inconvenienced for a few hours is somehow a sacrifice which demands the adulation of every human who lives."

Come on. Christians make a lot of patently absurd claims. I wouldn't say this is the most absurd.

[info]dvcastle: "If it wasn't a sacrifice for the infinite God to become a fetus in a womb, be born in the most humble manner, live a sinless life while subject to all its torments and temptations and ultimately to be tortured to death, then what verifiable method would meet your criteria?"

I'm sorry, I got hung up on the idea of God as a fetus and paid no attention to the rest of the sentence. Do you think he glowed wth a holy aura on the inside? Did Mary's pregnant belly look like that of a Glow Worm? How many jelly beans do you think I can fit in my mouth?

[info]cpxbrex: "To me, he comes off like just another end-of-the-world nutter mindlessly challenging authority in order to bring about his eschatology. He's as much a social reformer as Jim Jones or L. Ron Hubbard was."

Damn, man. I'm about as Christian as Gandhi was, but that's harsh. No one deserves to be compared to L. Ron Hubbard. No one.

[info]cpxbrex: "It would be hard for me to be smarter than I think I am. See, I already consider myself waaaaaaay smarter than C.S. Lewis. For instance, I know what Jesus said was not true. ;)"

And remember kids, when wanking about a popular religious figure, it always boils down to how much smarter than C.S. Lewis you are. Or something. I'm going to go watch The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe.


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* - I'd just like to say that the title of [info]skzbrust's post, "Jesus and the Gays," sounds like a band name. I'm picturing a hairy guy in white robes playing an electric guitar surrounded by flashy metrosexuals on keyboards and drums. Song titles could include, "Messiah Love You Long Time," "Going Down To Be Born From Above," and "Just Wait For The Second Coming."

Edit: Fixed the spelling of Gandhi.


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iwanttobeasleep
2007-05-10 08:28 pm UTC (link)
Wank, what wank? The important thing here is Steven Brust has an LJ! *friends*

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[info]imadra_blue
2007-05-10 08:30 pm UTC (link)
Ahahaha, I like your priorities!

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[info]khym_chanur
2007-05-10 10:44 pm UTC (link)
Think we could lure him over here?

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(no subject) - iwanttobeasleep, 2007-05-10 10:50 pm UTC

[info]gunshou
2007-05-11 02:31 am UTC (link)
Also my first thought.

Yay, next Vlad novel is on chapter two! Good to hear!

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(no subject) - [info]fourthage, 2007-05-12 02:59 pm UTC

[info]cinnamonical
2007-05-10 09:01 pm UTC (link)
* - I'd just like to say that the title of skzbrust's post, "Jesus and the Gays," sounds like a band name. I'm picturing a hairy guy in white robes playing an electric guitar surrounded by flashy metrosexuals on keyboards and drums. Song titles could include, "Messiah Love You Long Time," "Going Down To Be Born From Above," and "Just Wait For The Second Coming."

*distracted from the wank by the oh lordy amusing images that this paragraph produces*

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[info]chikane
2007-05-10 09:25 pm UTC (link)
"Just Wait For The Second Coming."

*head explodes after using her imagination a bit too much*

Too easy.^^

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[info]dragonfangirl
2007-05-10 10:27 pm UTC (link)
IAWTC

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[info]amxjm
2007-05-10 11:38 pm UTC (link)
"Going Down To Be Born From Above"

Wow, I really like that one.

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(no subject) - [info]grand_sealink, 2007-05-11 12:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]vzg, 2007-05-11 07:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pariforma, 2007-05-11 08:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]vzg, 2007-05-11 08:58 pm UTC

[info]greenling
2007-05-10 09:22 pm UTC (link)
How many jelly beans do you think I can fit in my mouth?

I don't know, but I'm willing to run the bets for ya. ;3

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(no subject) - [info]imadra_blue, 2007-05-12 03:52 am UTC
They all need to read "Lamb"
[info]demonbean
2007-05-10 09:28 pm UTC (link)
Sorry, any asshat who condemns most of the human race to hellfire because they don't accept the holy spirit or whatever is not humble. That's arrogance on a massive scale.

Jesus =/= The Church

This is the most patently absurd claim Christians like to make.

Eh, my favorite is immaculate conception.

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Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]digigirl132, 2007-05-10 09:47 pm UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]barankhy, 2007-05-11 04:55 am UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]digigirl132, 2007-05-11 02:21 pm UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]sheep, 2007-05-10 09:53 pm UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]mmanurere, 2007-05-10 09:55 pm UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]omega, 2007-05-10 10:15 pm UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]dragonfangirl, 2007-05-10 10:27 pm UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]omega, 2007-05-10 10:31 pm UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]singe, 2007-05-10 10:41 pm UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]bubosquared, 2007-05-13 02:07 am UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]singe, 2007-05-13 06:32 am UTC
Churchgoers are ... members ... of the body of Christ? - [info]irised, 2007-05-13 11:13 pm UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]puipui, 2007-05-10 10:44 pm UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]vergilsparda, 2007-05-10 10:57 pm UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]mael, 2007-05-11 12:43 am UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]oar, 2007-05-11 04:49 am UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - (Anonymous), 2007-05-10 10:15 pm UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]karmyn75, 2007-05-10 10:33 pm UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]sepiamagpie, 2007-05-10 10:46 pm UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]napalmnacey, 2007-05-12 10:33 am UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]puipui, 2007-05-10 10:56 pm UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]vergilsparda, 2007-05-10 11:02 pm UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - rowleyorama, 2007-05-10 11:17 pm UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]shaysdays, 2007-05-11 12:03 am UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - (Anonymous), 2007-05-11 12:26 am UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]brown_betty, 2007-05-11 01:33 am UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]imadra_blue, 2007-05-11 03:43 am UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]cookie_love, 2007-05-10 11:16 pm UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - rowleyorama, 2007-05-10 11:22 pm UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]exdee, 2007-05-11 12:18 am UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - rowleyorama, 2007-05-11 12:27 am UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]puipui, 2007-05-11 12:28 am UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]mmanurere, 2007-05-11 01:20 am UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]exdee, 2007-05-11 02:29 am UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]luthe, 2007-05-11 04:22 am UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]wrongly_amused, 2007-05-10 11:29 pm UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]jat_sapphire, 2007-05-11 01:14 am UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]wrongly_amused, 2007-05-11 02:31 am UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]influencethis, 2007-05-11 07:51 am UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]wrongly_amused, 2007-05-11 03:28 pm UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]amyheartssiroc, 2007-05-11 12:37 am UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]cookie_love, 2007-05-10 11:13 pm UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]marumae, 2007-05-11 12:06 am UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]cookie_love, 2007-05-11 12:31 am UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]wrongly_amused, 2007-05-10 11:30 pm UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]mmanurere, 2007-05-11 01:25 am UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]lady7jane, 2007-05-11 10:54 am UTC
Re: They all need to read "Lamb" - [info]vzg, 2007-05-11 07:43 pm UTC

dracothelizard
2007-05-10 10:29 pm UTC (link)
"Sorry, any asshat who condemns most of the human race to hellfire because they don't accept the holy spirit or whatever is not humble."

Well, someone completely forgot about the Harrowing of Hell.

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(no subject) - [info]herongale, 2007-05-11 12:31 am UTC
(no subject) - dracothelizard, 2007-05-11 12:33 am UTC

[info]hallidae
2007-05-10 11:21 pm UTC (link)
Oh, yay. Another wank where the OP is the only one I don't want to take a bat to.

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[info]onaga
2007-05-10 11:35 pm UTC (link)
See, I already consider myself waaaaaaay smarter than C.S. Lewis.

OH NO HE DID NOT.

Bitch please. I doubt he will be teaching at Oxford any time soon.

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OMG I <3 YOUR ICON! - [info]puipui, 2007-05-10 11:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hallidae, 2007-05-10 11:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2007-05-11 03:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]yattara, 2007-05-11 08:53 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2007-05-11 09:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]yattara, 2007-05-11 09:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2007-05-11 02:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]amxjm, 2007-05-11 07:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]imadra_blue, 2007-05-12 03:51 am UTC
My thoughts on Yahweh
[info]nekoama
2007-05-10 11:39 pm UTC (link)
ARGH, I hate religious wank. It always manages to leave me in a pissy mood, but I can never stop myself from reading it. I mean firstly, for fuck's sake, the Bible was written millenia ago by a bunch of dudes based on what they heard/saw. AND THEN it was translated a hundred times over in different languages. Who knows how much scripture is still intact? Jesus could've wrote love letters and scented them with flowers to change everything he was against, but it was written to make him sounds more badass and more 'Fear God!' Who knows?
And This thread is just driving me up every wall.
While it may or may not be true, all who are good and beleive in God will also live eternally in heaven, just like Jesus. So if I rip a Good Christian's body apart with chopsticks while fire ants ate his wounds, it shouldn't matter because fuck that suffering right there, dude's gonna live forever!
And this ? You're right, he did all that without blinking. That the rain was, metaphorically, God weeping (and that he hated doing it so much he swore he'd never do it again). And He put off killing the kids for as long as possible and had Moses beg the Pharoh numerous times to not force God to do it.
And Hell is just the space Without God. I don't know why we haven't go the PC way yet and just called 'Atheist Heaven'. Sounds more pleasent, doncha think?
Now if you'll excuse, I has me a mess to clean.

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Re: My thoughts on Yahweh - [info]tigerlily, 2007-05-11 02:59 am UTC
Re: My thoughts on Yahweh - [info]pariforma, 2007-05-11 08:48 pm UTC
Re: My thoughts on Yahweh - [info]omega, 2007-05-11 05:47 am UTC
Re: My thoughts on Yahweh - [info]dragonfangirl, 2007-05-11 09:07 am UTC
Re: My thoughts on Yahweh - [info]omega, 2007-05-11 11:44 am UTC
Re: My thoughts on Yahweh - [info]nekoama, 2007-05-11 11:17 am UTC
Re: My thoughts on Yahweh - [info]omega, 2007-05-11 11:53 am UTC
Re: My thoughts on Yahweh - [info]omega, 2007-05-11 12:00 pm UTC
Re: My thoughts on Yahweh - [info]nekoama, 2007-05-11 01:53 pm UTC
Re: My thoughts on Yahweh - (Anonymous), 2007-05-11 01:50 pm UTC
Re: My thoughts on Yahweh - [info]omega, 2007-05-11 02:06 pm UTC
Re: My thoughts on Yahweh - (Anonymous), 2007-05-12 07:04 am UTC
Re: My thoughts on Yahweh - [info]wtf, 2007-05-11 08:51 am UTC
Re: My thoughts on Yahweh - [info]nekoama, 2007-05-11 11:09 am UTC
Re: My thoughts on Yahweh - [info]catslash, 2007-05-11 08:49 pm UTC

[info]marumae
2007-05-11 12:05 am UTC (link)
Do you think he glowed wth a holy aura on the inside? Did Mary's pregnant belly look like that of a Glow Worm? How many jelly beans do you think I can fit in my mouth?


...somehow those combined to make the most blasphemous and horrendous image. ever.

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(no subject) - [info]barankhy, 2007-05-11 04:58 am UTC

[info]herongale
2007-05-11 12:29 am UTC (link)
I would just like to hold this up as a shining example of just how to write a wank-report, and shove it down the throats of the funny-deficient. I love how you roast both sides while taking sides with neither, and the L. Ron Hubbard point was nicely played. You made this wank seem fun and interesting before I even decided to wander over the the LJ in quetion, and that my friend is a rare rare gift.

*offers you a lovely discount halo*

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(no subject) - [info]imadra_blue, 2007-05-11 03:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lady7jane, 2007-05-11 11:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]imadra_blue, 2007-05-12 03:49 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2007-05-12 10:44 am UTC

[info]kittenmommy
2007-05-11 01:30 am UTC (link)

It's John 3:16, not 3:15.

< /nitpickery>

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(no subject) - [info]imadra_blue, 2007-05-11 02:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kittenmommy, 2007-05-11 02:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]imadra_blue, 2007-05-11 03:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kittenmommy, 2007-05-11 03:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]imadra_blue, 2007-05-11 03:15 am UTC

[info]sylvatica
2007-05-11 02:11 am UTC (link)
"This is the most patently absurd claim Christians like to make. They somehow think that an all-powerful being being inconvenienced for a few hours is somehow a sacrifice which demands the adulation of every human who lives."

Man, no matter how many times I hear this argument it never stops being funny. The almighty, all-powerful, infinite God subjected 1/3 of himself to a bad weekend for your sins!

Not my line, but it makes the rounds of talk.origins with some frequency

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[info]wrongly_amused
2007-05-11 02:46 am UTC (link)
"Just Wait For The Second Coming."

We've been waiting an awful long time. :-P


OMG, Imadra, I just realized that was you! XD I thought I'd seen that icon before.

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(no subject) - [info]imadra_blue, 2007-05-11 03:02 am UTC

[info]blue_penguin
2007-05-11 05:38 am UTC (link)
Oh, man, it's Thoughts On Jesus time again. Can't we all just agree that Jesus was way cool? I mean, he told people to eat his body and drink his blood. That's so cool!

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(no subject) - [info]imadra_blue, 2007-05-11 05:45 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]daylightsparks, 2007-05-11 07:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]blue_penguin, 2007-05-11 07:10 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2007-05-11 09:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]goblin, 2007-05-11 02:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]blue_penguin, 2007-05-11 04:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]snarkivist, 2007-05-14 05:58 am UTC

[info]wtf
2007-05-11 08:50 am UTC (link)
When I was a wee little [info]wtflet, I read "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe" a million times, but the whole "HAY GUYZ THIS IS AN ALLEGORY LOLZ" thing totally flew over my head. I didn't figure it out until I did a speech on C.S. Lewis in high school.

I am not, apparently, waaaay smarter than C.S. Lewis. :(

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(no subject) - [info]okalintu, 2007-05-11 12:26 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]darkstarrie, 2007-05-13 03:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]funwithrage, 2007-05-12 01:00 am UTC
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[info]kadath
2007-05-11 04:05 pm UTC (link)
A+++ wank report, would LOL again!!!!!!1

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(no subject) - [info]imadra_blue, 2007-05-12 03:46 am UTC

[info]billymasqets
2007-05-11 08:13 pm UTC (link)
"To me, he comes off like just another end-of-the-world nutter mindlessly challenging authority in order to bring about his eschatology. He's as much a social reformer as Jim Jones or L. Ron Hubbard was."

Damn, man. I'm about as Christian as Ghandi was, but that's harsh. No one deserves to be compared to L. Ron Hubbard. No one.


Did you ever know that you're my hero?

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(no subject) - [info]imadra_blue, 2007-05-12 03:46 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]imadra_blue, 2007-05-12 06:33 pm UTC

[info]napalmnacey
2007-05-12 10:47 am UTC (link)
How many jelly beans do you think I can fit in my mouth?

Hmm, forty?

And dude - it's 'Gandhi'. Just so ya know. ^_^ (puts nit picks away)

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(no subject) - [info]imadra_blue, 2007-05-12 06:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2007-05-13 05:07 am UTC

[info]snarkivist
2007-05-14 05:57 am UTC (link)
Did Mary's pregnant belly look like that of a Glow Worm? How many jelly beans do you think I can fit in my mouth?

Actually, there's a particularly disturbing bit of Catholic art that features a pregnant Mary with a glowing Jesus visible through her womb. And belly. And clothing. Now I've got to remember where I saw that...

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