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Oxydosic ([info]oxydosic) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2007-05-25 11:35:00


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Current mood:sleepy

Kids aren't badly behaved, they're SPIRITED
Ok...the argument here gets a little tl;dr but I'll try to give the highlights.

Over in [info]booju_newju, an article is posted about A toddler that trampled some monks' sand artwork. The OP asks the members of the comm if they would have reported it if it was THEIR child that had done it.

The fun begins when [info]threekidsinky posts her two cents:

Oh please. Report it to whom? It's not a crime, for goodness sake. If the monks wanted it to remain whole, they should have done it someplace where no one could get to it, or in a more secure area. It was a toddler who did it, but it could very well have been any aged person who wasn't watching what they were doing, or a daring teen, or an elderly person falling into it...could have been anything. I would apologize profusely and then forget it.

Wanky? Not wanky? Matter of opinion perhaps, but it goes downhill from there:


[info]glamscene: well, considering it was blocked off by rope...

[info]threekidsinky: In a public area, someplace where people bring children, it's not enough. In an art museum, sure. If the mom wasn't expecting it to be there, for example, and if she's brought her child there before and not had any reason to think there was something he could destroy, then I don't see how I can fault her. I try hard not to take my kids places, but sometimes it's inevitable...but I can't always have ahold of them 100% of the time. Trying to deal with mailing something and holding onto a squirming toddler isn't ever easy, and there have been times where my kid has gotten away from me quicker than I could catch up with him. Again, if they didn't want it messed up, they needed to have it sheltered more than having a rope around *half* of it (not even all the way around!!). And apparently the monks aren't upset. The toddler was being a toddler and we don't know the woman's situation, how the toddler got away, etc. *IF* she was truly negligent...in that she could have prevented the toddler from running and she purposely did not...then maybe I'd say she should make some kind of restitution. But ONLY then.

[info]glamscene: What a lame excuse, really. If the mother didn't see that display being blocked off and her toddler was running loose? thats bad parenting. If something would have gone wrong and the child got hurt by trying to hang off the rope things, Union Station would have been in deep shit.

[info]threekidsinky brawls with some people in that thread, while further down we get this gem (with bonus childfree slang mini-wank):

[info]ladyartemisa: hooray for parents that let their sprog do anything without watching them!!!!

[info]threekidsinky: Hooray for people who likely aren't raising spirited children.

And further down:

[info]threekidsinky: HOW MANY OF YOU SKIPPED RIGHT OVER THE WORDS "I WOULD APOLOGIZE PROFUSELY"????

That in no way means that I think the mom was OK in just running off. When I see "REPORT IT" it makes me think of s police report, or a security report, neither of which I think was called for. But an apology? Yes, I think that would have been appropriate. That part of my post was probably unclear, and for that I apologize. But I also do think that if something is that easily destroyed and they want to keep it whole, it needs to be better protected.


[info]agateway: so should everything out there be covered in bubble wrap and with armed guards because someone refuses to teach their children to respect the personal space of others? it could be a child screaming loudly in the face of someone on the train or destroying art; respect is respect. if you don't teach that to the child, there is no amount of safety guards in the world that can keep a child with no PERSONAL boundaries or respect for others out of something.

that's the point



I...honestly am not entirely sure what's going on. Is everyone misunderstanding [info]threekidsinky like she claims, or is he just covering her ass? Perhaps I'd know if I wasn't so hopped up on allergy meds. Anyway, have at.



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laughing at the irony
[info]tehrin
2007-05-25 04:20 pm UTC (link)
How dare your toddler destroy a sand painting which was going to be destroyed at the end anyways!

Mandala sand paintings are temporary art. Getting destroyed is part of their tradition. I imagine things like this happen all the time to the monks.

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Re: laughing at the irony
[info]ayezur
2007-05-25 05:20 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, that was my reaction. The point of the mandala is its destruction - and Buddhist monks tend to be pretty mellow. Not likely to be upset because a woman lost control of her kid for a second and he did what kids do.

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Re: laughing at the irony - [info]agent_hyatt, 2007-05-25 06:37 pm UTC
Re: laughing at the irony - [info]ayezur, 2007-05-25 06:43 pm UTC
Re: laughing at the irony - [info]sequinedlizard, 2007-05-25 07:58 pm UTC
Re: laughing at the irony - [info]ayezur, 2007-05-25 08:08 pm UTC
Re: laughing at the irony - [info]shallow_kid, 2007-05-25 09:48 pm UTC
Re: laughing at the irony - [info]seiberwing, 2007-05-26 01:53 am UTC
Re: laughing at the irony - [info]omnicrom, 2007-05-28 04:14 pm UTC
Re: laughing at the irony - [info]lottelita, 2007-05-26 12:13 am UTC
Re: laughing at the irony - [info]mistressrenet, 2007-05-26 12:37 am UTC
Re: laughing at the irony - [info]napalmnacey, 2007-05-27 04:34 pm UTC
Re: laughing at the irony
[info]vigilanterodent
2007-05-25 09:06 pm UTC (link)
I can see bitching a little because the mother didn't apologize or even fess up about it, but . . . yeah, seriously. Small children are a force of nature.

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Re: laughing at the irony
[info]seiberwing
2007-05-26 01:51 am UTC (link)
Having it destroyed by a small child? I would think that would be a great sort of way for it to happen.

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[info]chili_power
2007-05-25 04:35 pm UTC (link)
What exactly is the difference between booju_newju and mooju now? They seem to be equally wanktastic.

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[info]oxydosic
2007-05-25 04:40 pm UTC (link)
I think their reason was that mooju was getting overrun by trolls and the mods refused to do anything about it. So they created their own comm where such things would be properly dealt with! Same old, same old.

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[info]thebratqueen
2007-05-25 04:39 pm UTC (link)
As soon as I saw that news report I wondered how long it would take before there was wanking about it.

By my count, a half hour.

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[info]kadath
2007-05-25 05:03 pm UTC (link)
Hah! This wank is made for my icon!

Anyway, I sincerely doubt the Buddhist monks were upset, y'know, being Buddhist monks and all.

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[info]mistressrenet
2007-05-26 12:37 am UTC (link)
That icon rocks!

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[info]jrs1980
2007-05-25 05:11 pm UTC (link)
There was also inappropriate posting in customers_suck.

I know the kid and his mom were not customers but can you imagine if they were and this wasnt just a temporary display?

Hypothetical suck from people who could potentially be customers!

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gic - [info]jrs1980, 2007-05-25 05:15 pm UTC
Re: gic - [info]oxydosic, 2007-05-25 05:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]alya1989262, 2007-05-25 07:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jrs1980, 2007-05-27 03:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]littlest_lurker, 2007-05-25 11:02 pm UTC

[info]queencallipygos
2007-05-25 05:21 pm UTC (link)
See, I could see the ire against the kid if he were, say, six. But the child is TWO. Two-year-olds are like short, extremely obstinate cavemen with zero impulse control and hyperactivity. Even if you have the world's most attentive parent, shit is still going to happen.

Yes, an unpredictable child can be made even worse by an inattentive parent. But not every instance of a two-year-old going wild is because of inattentive parents; there's a reason they're called "the terrible twos".

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(no subject) - [info]shaysdays, 2007-05-25 05:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]antigone, 2007-05-25 11:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2007-05-27 04:38 pm UTC
good question... - [info]antigone, 2007-05-27 11:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]littlest_lurker, 2007-05-25 11:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eilan, 2007-05-26 08:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]littlest_lurker, 2007-05-26 09:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]plazmah, 2007-05-25 06:18 pm UTC

[info]gloria_mundi
2007-05-25 05:51 pm UTC (link)
It's called the "Terrible Twos" for a reason

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[info]twoiskewl
2007-05-25 06:06 pm UTC (link)
there's more wank in the article's comments, too

http://pod01.prospero.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=kr-kctm&tid=1560

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(no subject) - [info]pantyless_angel, 2007-05-25 07:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]xturtle, 2007-05-25 08:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pantyless_angel, 2007-05-25 08:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]v_digitalwytch, 2007-05-27 10:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2007-05-26 12:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2007-05-26 07:14 am UTC

[info]frequentmouse
2007-05-25 07:01 pm UTC (link)
Meh.

The problem I see is that the mother was letting her kid trail behind in a public place- there's an aspect of "danger to himself and others" in that which goes beyond the sand painting.

I may be cranky about this as the last time we went shopping a three year old trailing behind his mom in a parking lot sat down in the way of traffic to take his shoe off and shake a pebble out.

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[info]mistal
2007-05-25 07:49 pm UTC (link)
Well, considering it was blocked off by rope....

Because it's not like the toddle could've went under the rope without even noticing it.

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(no subject) - [info]caito, 2007-05-25 08:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]singe, 2007-05-25 09:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]caito, 2007-05-25 09:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hallidae, 2007-05-25 10:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]singe, 2007-05-26 12:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ghostmaster, 2007-05-26 01:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aposiopetic, 2007-05-26 12:36 am UTC

[info]splorch
2007-05-25 07:53 pm UTC (link)
I am waiting for the inevitable wank from someone posting "If it were my kid he'd have been smacked within an inch of his life!" OMG DUN BEAT UR FERAL CHILDERNS.

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(no subject) - [info]tofuknight, 2007-05-26 01:34 pm UTC

rachelthedemon
2007-05-25 08:22 pm UTC (link)
The hell? People are bitching because a toddler destroyed a sand painting? Inevitable destruction is part of the art form, if I remember correctly. They're supposed to get destroyed. Whether it's by the wind or some unheeding human, the monks don't really care. They're Buddhist Monks, fer cryin' out loud.

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(no subject) - [info]ilpalazzo, 2007-05-25 08:44 pm UTC

[info]herongale
2007-05-25 09:15 pm UTC (link)
Ya know, when I was eight years old (or thereabouts), I participated in a summer-camp thing at Greenfield Village (a museum, of sorts, in the Detroit area, which is set up like a little town and which collects historical houses for you to look at and explore). We were all in Thomas Edison's house, baking a pie out of pure lard, and I decided to sneak under the ropes at one point and mess around with Edison's harpsichord until someone came and yelled at me.

Was I bad? Sure. Do I regret it? No freakin' way.

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(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2007-05-26 01:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]issendai, 2007-05-26 01:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]threegoldfish, 2007-05-26 03:04 am UTC

[info]lottelita
2007-05-26 12:13 am UTC (link)
That's a whole lot of people who don't know the first thing about the very artwork they're insisting be protected. They're made of sand for a reason, idiots -- they're not meant to be permanent.

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(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2007-05-26 07:17 am UTC

[info]wrongly_amused
2007-05-26 02:12 am UTC (link)
It's a sand painting. In an open, public space. With families around. I hate to say it, but is it really so shocking?

I admit I'm a little surprised the mother didn't at least make anybody aware of what happened, but seeing how over-reactionary the article was, I half understand why.

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(no subject) - [info]cthulhuswhore, 2007-05-26 11:20 am UTC

nam_jai
2007-05-26 03:50 am UTC (link)
Wank based in my hometown! Woo!

What this place has done to me: When I saw this on the local news, my first thought was, "I wonder if cf_hardcore will get hold of this?"

Looks like they have, but it's not too wanky. Then someone posts it again, is unrepentant, and gets bombarded with cat macros: more wanky, but not so much about the kid.

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(no subject) - [info]chibikaijuu, 2007-05-26 05:54 am UTC
(no subject) - nam_jai, 2007-05-26 02:41 pm UTC

[info]mandelion
2007-05-26 02:10 pm UTC (link)
as agateway on LJ, i feel honored to be above. i realized it was sand and realized it was temporary. my thing was about small children not having a certain level of respect or knowledge of boundaries (personal or property). you do realize that same mother would have been just ready to have someone arrested if a random person came up and invaded her child's things?

kids slip away, things happen, but by the time good old threekidslinky was saying something about beating kids, i realized the insanity.

jesus fuck, no one said beat your kids but to just treat them to respect others as they would like to be respected.

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(no subject) - [info]ilpalazzo, 2007-05-26 04:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mandelion, 2007-05-26 06:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chibikaijuu, 2007-05-27 05:10 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2007-05-27 04:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mandelion, 2007-05-28 01:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2007-05-28 05:21 am UTC

[info]rimrunner
2007-05-26 11:59 pm UTC (link)
I'm more perturbed that the mom apparently didn't tell anyone. Cause, yeah, sand mandalas are temporary and small children hold the land speed record for Getting Into Shit They Shouldn't, but really.

*wipes up the wanklet*

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[info]momcat
2007-05-28 05:38 am UTC (link)
The artist Andy Goldsworthy does most of his stuff in transient media. IOW, he builds stuff out of ice and leaves and sticks and sand. Sometimes he gets 90% of the way done and a dog runs over the work, or a tractor comes roaring through it, or it rains and the whole thing gets spoiled...yeah, I doubt very much the monks would have minded their mandala being spoilt.

That being said, the kid should have been in a stroller. I gots me a toddler and damn, they move fast.

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[info]aerobot
2007-05-28 06:15 am UTC (link)
I have to admit, I got REALLY annoyed at the people who assume kid runs off = bad mother/horrible disrespectful brat.

I once walked through pampas grass and scaled a two-metre fence in the four minutes it took to put a band-aid on my sister's skinned knee. Some kids are GODDAMN NINJAS.

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