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Oxydosic ([info]oxydosic) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2007-05-25 11:35:00


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Current mood:sleepy

Kids aren't badly behaved, they're SPIRITED
Ok...the argument here gets a little tl;dr but I'll try to give the highlights.

Over in [info]booju_newju, an article is posted about A toddler that trampled some monks' sand artwork. The OP asks the members of the comm if they would have reported it if it was THEIR child that had done it.

The fun begins when [info]threekidsinky posts her two cents:

Oh please. Report it to whom? It's not a crime, for goodness sake. If the monks wanted it to remain whole, they should have done it someplace where no one could get to it, or in a more secure area. It was a toddler who did it, but it could very well have been any aged person who wasn't watching what they were doing, or a daring teen, or an elderly person falling into it...could have been anything. I would apologize profusely and then forget it.

Wanky? Not wanky? Matter of opinion perhaps, but it goes downhill from there:


[info]glamscene: well, considering it was blocked off by rope...

[info]threekidsinky: In a public area, someplace where people bring children, it's not enough. In an art museum, sure. If the mom wasn't expecting it to be there, for example, and if she's brought her child there before and not had any reason to think there was something he could destroy, then I don't see how I can fault her. I try hard not to take my kids places, but sometimes it's inevitable...but I can't always have ahold of them 100% of the time. Trying to deal with mailing something and holding onto a squirming toddler isn't ever easy, and there have been times where my kid has gotten away from me quicker than I could catch up with him. Again, if they didn't want it messed up, they needed to have it sheltered more than having a rope around *half* of it (not even all the way around!!). And apparently the monks aren't upset. The toddler was being a toddler and we don't know the woman's situation, how the toddler got away, etc. *IF* she was truly negligent...in that she could have prevented the toddler from running and she purposely did not...then maybe I'd say she should make some kind of restitution. But ONLY then.

[info]glamscene: What a lame excuse, really. If the mother didn't see that display being blocked off and her toddler was running loose? thats bad parenting. If something would have gone wrong and the child got hurt by trying to hang off the rope things, Union Station would have been in deep shit.

[info]threekidsinky brawls with some people in that thread, while further down we get this gem (with bonus childfree slang mini-wank):

[info]ladyartemisa: hooray for parents that let their sprog do anything without watching them!!!!

[info]threekidsinky: Hooray for people who likely aren't raising spirited children.

And further down:

[info]threekidsinky: HOW MANY OF YOU SKIPPED RIGHT OVER THE WORDS "I WOULD APOLOGIZE PROFUSELY"????

That in no way means that I think the mom was OK in just running off. When I see "REPORT IT" it makes me think of s police report, or a security report, neither of which I think was called for. But an apology? Yes, I think that would have been appropriate. That part of my post was probably unclear, and for that I apologize. But I also do think that if something is that easily destroyed and they want to keep it whole, it needs to be better protected.


[info]agateway: so should everything out there be covered in bubble wrap and with armed guards because someone refuses to teach their children to respect the personal space of others? it could be a child screaming loudly in the face of someone on the train or destroying art; respect is respect. if you don't teach that to the child, there is no amount of safety guards in the world that can keep a child with no PERSONAL boundaries or respect for others out of something.

that's the point



I...honestly am not entirely sure what's going on. Is everyone misunderstanding [info]threekidsinky like she claims, or is he just covering her ass? Perhaps I'd know if I wasn't so hopped up on allergy meds. Anyway, have at.



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laughing at the irony
[info]tehrin
2007-05-25 04:20 pm UTC (link)
How dare your toddler destroy a sand painting which was going to be destroyed at the end anyways!

Mandala sand paintings are temporary art. Getting destroyed is part of their tradition. I imagine things like this happen all the time to the monks.

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Re: laughing at the irony
[info]ayezur
2007-05-25 05:20 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, that was my reaction. The point of the mandala is its destruction - and Buddhist monks tend to be pretty mellow. Not likely to be upset because a woman lost control of her kid for a second and he did what kids do.

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Re: laughing at the irony
[info]agent_hyatt
2007-05-25 06:37 pm UTC (link)
Original article covers both those points. Funny, how the version posted to LJ glossed over the monks' reaction and completely left out the traditional destruction part.

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Re: laughing at the irony
[info]ayezur
2007-05-25 06:43 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, that bothered me.

And you know, when you think about it? This incident is sort of the very essence of the Buddhist approach to the material world. You work your ass off for days, focusing on tiny minute details... and in a few seconds a small child comes by and destroys it in play. Very valuable lesson, that.

Article didn't mention - were the monks there at the time?

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Re: laughing at the irony
[info]sequinedlizard
2007-05-25 07:58 pm UTC (link)
The article I read mentioned they had gone for the day, hence the being roped off.

But yes, I was very amused that people were saying "I don't see how the monks could take this so graciously." Um, because they're Buddhist monks. That's kinda their thing, y'know?

They've obviously never had the great joy of watching a bunch of giggling monks sitting around a kids' picnic table reading the Harry Potter books or watched a lama rock out on the guitar during a jam session at a birthday dinner.

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Re: laughing at the irony
[info]ayezur
2007-05-25 08:08 pm UTC (link)
Buddhist monks are fantastic. I am not a buddhist, per se, but a friend of the family is and he took me to a temple once. I learned precisely one thing there and it is the most valuable thing I know - that given the correct perspective, life is absolutely hysterical. Go with it.

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Re: laughing at the irony
[info]shallow_kid
2007-05-25 09:48 pm UTC (link)
Hey, that's pretty much my perspective on life. Perhaps I should convert from lapsed Catholic to lapsed Buddhist.

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Re: laughing at the irony
[info]seiberwing
2007-05-26 01:53 am UTC (link)
Seconded in all forms and ways.

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Re: laughing at the irony
[info]omnicrom
2007-05-28 04:14 pm UTC (link)
That lesson is practically F_W's call sign.

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Re: laughing at the irony
[info]lottelita
2007-05-26 12:13 am UTC (link)
A lesson that, predictably, has been lost on the booju crowd.

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Re: laughing at the irony
[info]mistressrenet
2007-05-26 12:37 am UTC (link)
I bet the monks laughed their ass off. (Keith Olbermann, bless his heart, said "Hell, they're probably being paid by the hour!"

Having said that, I can't believe anyone would leave their toddler unattended for as long as it seemed to be in that tape, much less at the airport.

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Re: laughing at the irony
[info]napalmnacey
2007-05-27 04:34 pm UTC (link)
I'm sure the monks didn't mind the fact that the little kid got such joy out of their hard work. On the CCTV it looks like he's having a ball!

And really - Would Tripitaka get mad?

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Re: laughing at the irony
[info]vigilanterodent
2007-05-25 09:06 pm UTC (link)
I can see bitching a little because the mother didn't apologize or even fess up about it, but . . . yeah, seriously. Small children are a force of nature.

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Re: laughing at the irony
[info]seiberwing
2007-05-26 01:51 am UTC (link)
Having it destroyed by a small child? I would think that would be a great sort of way for it to happen.

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