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luthe ([info]luthe) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2007-06-15 02:40:00


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Current music:U2 - Mysterious Ways

Jesurgislac: the new Ginmar?
It's apparently "Lowered Standards of Rape Night" over at slacktivist. Poor Fred.

Anyway. Fred posts a nice little piece on Mike McGrath, who is apparently a prosecutor in Montana. Mr. McGrath isn't a big fan of DNA testing proving people innocent. You would think a wank on our justice system would ensue. But no. We get rape wank instead.

Jesurgislac gets things off to a rolling start by stating that 1 in 12 men commit rape in their lifetime, followed by a definition of rape.

Now, most of the other slacktivist regulars are pretty easy-going, so they don't lose it in response to this. We get this exchange instead.

J: Isn't there a better term for that? Maybe "pity sex"? The kind of lay a woman might offer a guy who reveals himself to be such a thoroughly pathetic human being that she feels 51% sorry for him and 49% wants to get rid of him as efficiently as possible.

Jesurgilac: I'd guess you're male, J - am I right?

J: That engine-revving noise you all hear is Jesurgislac firing up her Political Correctness Motorcycle. Beware: I believe she intends to burn rubber.


The wank really takes off when Raka gets involved.

he knew she didn't want to have sex with him, but he wanted to have sex with her: her wishes were irrelevant. That makes what he did to her rape.

That's the second most insultingly reductionist definition of rape I've ever seen, and the first was intended as humor. Well done!

So if a child in a store pesters his mother until she buys him candy, that's robbery. And if my wife pesters me until I haul those old cabinets out of the garage and to the dump, that's slavery. If a friend says they'll meet me at 8:00 and doesn't show up until a quarter after, that's unlawful detention. Good to know.

No, I'm not defending the practice. "Pester sex" is already abhorrent on its own. It may even entail illegal behavior, such as harassment. But stretching the definition of rape to include unreasonable persistence doesn't make the behavior more significant-- it just insults victims of actual rape.


Sharaloth adds s/h/it's two cents. Which leads to a href="http://slacktivist.typepad.com/slacktivist/2007/06/groucho_javert.html#comment-72550760">straw-man argument! It is quickly pointed out to be a scarecrow.

Aaaaand we get a rape checklist!

I feel like this wank needs a drinking game.


There is an amusing sub-thread in there:

Silly Duane, only men can be rapists. Duh. Unless you're married to a man ?

85% Duane: No, Bugmaster, that's not correct. But, I will allow that the subtext to most of Jesurgislac's positions is men=bad, women=good.

Nevermind, I can't even back that up. But on this issue, I can come to no other conclusion. Why else would you exaggerate the problem to the level of a spoof and then when you admit incorrect statistics, speculate that the problem is worse ANYWAY? You certainly aren't HELPING win over minds and influence allies.

The only consistent has been the demonization of men, many who would consider themselves allies in the cause for enlightment in regards to The Battle Of The Sexes.

But you know, that's women for ya. Statistics continually indicate they don't have the reasoning power of men.

Bugmaster: It's true. Their brains overheat, the poor things...
Note: This entire exchange is sarcastic, just in case your detector was broken.

I'm stopping there, because this thing goes on for 190 comments.



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[info]makeshyft
2007-06-15 08:18 am UTC (link)
You know, it's wanks like this that make me want to go to college for the sole purpose of developing an alternative fuel source distilled from pure stupid.

It'd be cheap, plentiful, and I'm sure people woul get used to the exhaust smell and the way car backfires would sound suspisciously like "GINMAR!"

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[info]seiberwing
2007-06-15 03:00 pm UTC (link)
That is a rather fitting icon for this wank, methinks.

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[info]dragonfangirl
2007-06-15 09:08 am UTC (link)
Didn't we just have this argument over on FW the other day?

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[info]risha
2007-06-15 01:11 pm UTC (link)
Oh, good. I thought that I was having deja vu.

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[info]puipui
2007-06-15 05:10 pm UTC (link)
Yes, and it wasn't funny then, either.

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(no subject) - [info]omega, 2007-06-15 06:03 pm UTC

[info]notjo
2007-06-15 10:00 am UTC (link)
*scratches head* I'm not seeing the funny. Did I miss something?

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[info]jat_sapphire
2007-06-15 02:05 pm UTC (link)
I don't think so, or if you did I missed the same thing.

WOEtf, I guess.

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[info]scootermcgaffin
2007-06-16 08:22 am UTC (link)
No, no, no. This is OTF Wank. This is where the funny goes to die.

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[info]ecchaniz0r
2007-06-15 12:17 pm UTC (link)
Jesurgislac has an extremely unfortunate SN in that it sounds like my cat keckin' up a furball.

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[info]bubosquared
2007-06-15 02:16 pm UTC (link)
That's what it sounds like! "AKF -- Cat jesurislaced on the carpet." I've been trying to figure out why that name bothers me for ages, thanks!

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(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2007-06-16 03:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]hyaenid, 2007-06-15 07:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2007-06-16 03:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]semtex, 2007-06-15 07:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2007-06-16 03:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2007-06-16 03:21 am UTC
It's just… so close to home D: - [info]semtex, 2007-06-16 05:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladysphinx, 2007-06-15 08:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2007-06-16 03:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]melannen, 2007-06-16 02:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2007-06-16 03:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]melannen, 2007-06-16 03:23 am UTC
*_* - [info]semtex, 2007-06-16 05:45 am UTC

[info]funwithrage
2007-06-15 12:23 pm UTC (link)
I was wondering when this was going to show up.

Dear *God*, Jesurgislac, shut *up*. And stop flipping out over MLK jokes. And stop living up to every negative stereotype about humorless reactionary liberal feminists ever. And go away. And shut up.

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(no subject) - [info]monsley, 2007-06-15 12:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]funwithrage, 2007-06-15 04:39 pm UTC

[info]solle
2007-06-15 12:43 pm UTC (link)
Two boobs good, no boobs bad!

You win. Have my internets.

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[info]onaga
2007-06-15 01:02 pm UTC (link)
Rape wank: not funny.

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(no subject) - ealusaid, 2007-06-15 02:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lcsbanana, 2007-06-15 03:25 pm UTC

[info]kadath
2007-06-15 01:40 pm UTC (link)
One side is calling it rape, the other side is calling it a shitty relationship, and no matter which is right...still no lulz.

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[info]keleri
2007-06-15 04:27 pm UTC (link)
Yeeg. This is seriously, seriously lacking in the funny, unfortunately. =[

(Yay, it's Left Behind friday!)

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(no subject) - [info]rimrunner, 2007-06-15 07:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]darkrose, 2007-06-15 08:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]billymasqets, 2007-06-15 08:24 pm UTC

[info]frequentmouse
2007-06-15 04:40 pm UTC (link)
I dunno, I sort of see the funny, but then, I laughed all the way through Waiting for Godot.

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(no subject) - [info]mmanurere, 2007-06-15 10:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]frequentmouse, 2007-06-16 01:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]xturtle, 2007-06-16 03:50 am UTC

[info]puipui
2007-06-15 05:09 pm UTC (link)
There is an amusing sub-thread in there:

No, there's not, because there is never anything amusing about rape wank. Fail.

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(no subject) - [info]warchio, 2007-06-16 08:37 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]vigilanterodent, 2007-06-16 11:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]warchio, 2007-06-16 04:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]anonyrat, 2007-06-17 03:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]schuldig, 2007-06-18 10:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]anonyrat, 2007-06-18 08:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]schuldig, 2007-06-21 05:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kyuuketsukirui, 2007-06-16 06:26 pm UTC
Oh how fabulous, rape wank. Please see icon.
[info]semtex
2007-06-15 07:19 pm UTC (link)
 

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[info]velvet_mace
2007-06-15 07:37 pm UTC (link)
Wow... you know if I weren't already married to a guy who understands "no", I'd seriously consider lesbianism after that thread.

One guy even equated pestering a woman for sex to children pestering their parents for candy. Dude, I should hope grown men take a bit more personal responsibility for their behavior than small children.

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(no subject) - [info]velvet_mace, 2007-06-15 07:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]anonyrat, 2007-06-17 04:01 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]beckyh2112, 2007-06-18 01:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]velvet_mace, 2007-06-18 05:02 am UTC
Not funny....
[info]spacelogic
2007-06-15 08:22 pm UTC (link)
When I watched Star Wars, I was absolutely disgusted by Han Solo's sexual harassment of Leia, the fact that she tolerated it, the implication that it was okay because they loved each other really, and the fact that nobody else seemed to care. When I see the arguments about whether nagging, etc. are rape or not, the first thing I think of is Han, and the statement that comes to mind is "who cares what it's called? It's not cool." I don't laugh, because uncool behavior that hurts people is not funny.

My point? This is a tangent. If successful, it will inspire someone else to post a comment about a completely different aspect of Star Wars, and that will lead someone else off on another tangent, and ultimately we will have a thread that contains Dr. Who, Harry Potter, yaoi, probably cats, at least one person proclaiming love for another's icon, and miscellaneous other stuff, which will be a lot funnier than the actual wank.

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Re: Not funny.... - [info]exit_chrysalis, 2007-06-15 08:36 pm UTC
Re: Not funny.... - [info]mistal, 2007-06-15 10:43 pm UTC
Re: Not funny.... - [info]notjo, 2007-06-16 02:46 am UTC
Re: Not funny.... - [info]blue_penguin, 2007-06-16 03:07 am UTC
Re: Not funny.... - [info]notjo, 2007-06-16 03:21 am UTC
Re: Not funny.... - [info]puipui, 2007-06-16 04:52 am UTC
I like this idea - [info]tehrin, 2007-06-15 09:19 pm UTC
Re: I like this idea - [info]sheep, 2007-06-15 09:31 pm UTC
Re: I like this idea - [info]tehrin, 2007-06-16 01:13 am UTC
Re: I like this idea - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2007-06-16 03:23 am UTC
Re: I like this idea - [info]seiberwing, 2007-06-16 01:40 pm UTC
Re: I like this idea - [info]blackjackrocket, 2007-06-16 03:16 am UTC
Re: I like this idea - [info]wickedwitch, 2007-06-16 10:15 pm UTC
Re: I like this idea - [info]puipui, 2007-06-15 10:21 pm UTC
Re: I like this idea - [info]tehrin, 2007-06-15 11:29 pm UTC
Re: I like this idea - [info]puipui, 2007-06-16 12:10 am UTC
Re: I like this idea - [info]tehrin, 2007-06-16 01:05 am UTC
Re: I like this idea - [info]puipui, 2007-06-16 01:25 am UTC
Re: I like this idea - [info]catslash, 2007-06-16 03:20 am UTC
Re: I like this idea - [info]notjo, 2007-06-16 02:48 am UTC
Re: I like this idea - [info]puipui, 2007-06-16 04:55 am UTC
Re: I like this idea - [info]notjo, 2007-06-16 10:55 am UTC
Re: I like this idea - [info]puipui, 2007-06-16 05:47 pm UTC
Re: I like this idea - verthandi, 2007-06-15 11:34 pm UTC
Re: I like this idea - [info]spacelogic, 2007-06-15 11:43 pm UTC
Re: I like this idea - [info]tehrin, 2007-06-16 01:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]doomsday, 2007-06-15 10:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sithwitch13, 2007-06-16 12:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]keleri, 2007-06-16 01:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]breecita, 2007-06-16 03:08 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sithwitch13, 2007-06-16 03:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2007-06-16 03:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sticks, 2007-06-16 03:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2007-06-16 04:58 am UTC
Re: Not funny.... - [info]mmanurere, 2007-06-15 10:35 pm UTC
Re: Not funny.... - [info]notjo, 2007-06-16 03:06 am UTC
Re: Not funny.... - [info]spacelogic, 2007-06-16 03:39 am UTC
Re: Not funny.... - [info]catslash, 2007-06-16 03:24 am UTC
see icon - [info]spacelogic, 2007-06-16 03:41 am UTC

[info]blue_penguin
2007-06-15 09:39 pm UTC (link)
Dear lord, not the rape checklist/"all men are rapists!" wank again. Didn't we just have this one?

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[info]photosinensis
2007-06-16 01:29 am UTC (link)
I'm a man. Quite celibate, too. Am I a rapist?

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(no subject) - [info]lerefuge, 2007-06-16 02:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2007-06-16 02:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]semtex, 2007-06-16 07:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]vito_excalibur, 2007-06-18 07:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]photosinensis, 2007-06-18 09:10 pm UTC

[info]serai
2007-06-16 01:50 am UTC (link)
By the way, you've got a messed-up link in there. Might want to fix that.

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[info]anonyrat
2007-06-16 02:51 am UTC (link)
Holy shit, we just had this argument over on F_W.

We've reached the end of the internet and it's gone into a loop!

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(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2007-06-16 03:47 pm UTC

[info]tao_tao
2007-06-16 03:48 pm UTC (link)
Well, I thought the "All men delenda est" discussion was hilarious.

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