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luthe ([info]luthe) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2007-06-15 02:40:00


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Current music:U2 - Mysterious Ways

Jesurgislac: the new Ginmar?
It's apparently "Lowered Standards of Rape Night" over at slacktivist. Poor Fred.

Anyway. Fred posts a nice little piece on Mike McGrath, who is apparently a prosecutor in Montana. Mr. McGrath isn't a big fan of DNA testing proving people innocent. You would think a wank on our justice system would ensue. But no. We get rape wank instead.

Jesurgislac gets things off to a rolling start by stating that 1 in 12 men commit rape in their lifetime, followed by a definition of rape.

Now, most of the other slacktivist regulars are pretty easy-going, so they don't lose it in response to this. We get this exchange instead.

J: Isn't there a better term for that? Maybe "pity sex"? The kind of lay a woman might offer a guy who reveals himself to be such a thoroughly pathetic human being that she feels 51% sorry for him and 49% wants to get rid of him as efficiently as possible.

Jesurgilac: I'd guess you're male, J - am I right?

J: That engine-revving noise you all hear is Jesurgislac firing up her Political Correctness Motorcycle. Beware: I believe she intends to burn rubber.


The wank really takes off when Raka gets involved.

he knew she didn't want to have sex with him, but he wanted to have sex with her: her wishes were irrelevant. That makes what he did to her rape.

That's the second most insultingly reductionist definition of rape I've ever seen, and the first was intended as humor. Well done!

So if a child in a store pesters his mother until she buys him candy, that's robbery. And if my wife pesters me until I haul those old cabinets out of the garage and to the dump, that's slavery. If a friend says they'll meet me at 8:00 and doesn't show up until a quarter after, that's unlawful detention. Good to know.

No, I'm not defending the practice. "Pester sex" is already abhorrent on its own. It may even entail illegal behavior, such as harassment. But stretching the definition of rape to include unreasonable persistence doesn't make the behavior more significant-- it just insults victims of actual rape.


Sharaloth adds s/h/it's two cents. Which leads to a href="http://slacktivist.typepad.com/slacktivist/2007/06/groucho_javert.html#comment-72550760">straw-man argument! It is quickly pointed out to be a scarecrow.

Aaaaand we get a rape checklist!

I feel like this wank needs a drinking game.


There is an amusing sub-thread in there:

Silly Duane, only men can be rapists. Duh. Unless you're married to a man ?

85% Duane: No, Bugmaster, that's not correct. But, I will allow that the subtext to most of Jesurgislac's positions is men=bad, women=good.

Nevermind, I can't even back that up. But on this issue, I can come to no other conclusion. Why else would you exaggerate the problem to the level of a spoof and then when you admit incorrect statistics, speculate that the problem is worse ANYWAY? You certainly aren't HELPING win over minds and influence allies.

The only consistent has been the demonization of men, many who would consider themselves allies in the cause for enlightment in regards to The Battle Of The Sexes.

But you know, that's women for ya. Statistics continually indicate they don't have the reasoning power of men.

Bugmaster: It's true. Their brains overheat, the poor things...
Note: This entire exchange is sarcastic, just in case your detector was broken.

I'm stopping there, because this thing goes on for 190 comments.



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Not funny....
[info]spacelogic
2007-06-15 08:22 pm UTC (link)
When I watched Star Wars, I was absolutely disgusted by Han Solo's sexual harassment of Leia, the fact that she tolerated it, the implication that it was okay because they loved each other really, and the fact that nobody else seemed to care. When I see the arguments about whether nagging, etc. are rape or not, the first thing I think of is Han, and the statement that comes to mind is "who cares what it's called? It's not cool." I don't laugh, because uncool behavior that hurts people is not funny.

My point? This is a tangent. If successful, it will inspire someone else to post a comment about a completely different aspect of Star Wars, and that will lead someone else off on another tangent, and ultimately we will have a thread that contains Dr. Who, Harry Potter, yaoi, probably cats, at least one person proclaiming love for another's icon, and miscellaneous other stuff, which will be a lot funnier than the actual wank.

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Re: Not funny....
[info]exit_chrysalis
2007-06-15 08:36 pm UTC (link)
I'm trying to think of a cat macro that would contain all that. Hrm. Give me a few.

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Re: Not funny....
[info]mistal
2007-06-15 10:43 pm UTC (link)
You need two cats, one dressed as Harry Potter, the other as Dr.Who, they must be kissing or at least very close too.

That should cover most except the icon love part.

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Re: Not funny....
[info]notjo
2007-06-16 02:46 am UTC (link)
I dunno, one of the kittehs could be saying "I love your icon"...

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Re: Not funny....
[info]blue_penguin
2007-06-16 03:07 am UTC (link)
Or the Harry Potter/Doctor Who slash cat macro could itself be an icon. Which people would then love, because how could you not?

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Re: Not funny.... - [info]notjo, 2007-06-16 03:21 am UTC
Re: Not funny.... - [info]puipui, 2007-06-16 04:52 am UTC
I like this idea
[info]tehrin
2007-06-15 09:19 pm UTC (link)
*ignoring the rape wank*

You don't ship R/Hr do you?

This is an obligitory comment concerning this tangent in order to help this thread along to it's eventual sucess. This post will cover the Doctor Who/Torchwood angle, macros, and canon man-on-man kisses to help the thread along furthur. Now if someone would please bring on the funny cats!

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Re: I like this idea
[info]sheep
2007-06-15 09:31 pm UTC (link)
My cat used to totally beg me for sex. When she was on heat she used lie around in front of me waving her arse in the air. If I touched her, well, then there was full on mewling and everything. My cat was a would be rapist, but I never gave in!

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Re: I like this idea
[info]tehrin
2007-06-16 01:13 am UTC (link)
My dog likes to hump towels and blankets. Even when she isn't in heat.

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Re: I like this idea
[info]ecchaniz0r
2007-06-16 03:23 am UTC (link)
My cat just broke wind and scared herself doing it.

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Re: I like this idea - [info]seiberwing, 2007-06-16 01:40 pm UTC
Re: I like this idea
[info]blackjackrocket
2007-06-16 03:16 am UTC (link)
Your cat is Artemis?

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Re: I like this idea
[info]wickedwitch
2007-06-16 10:15 pm UTC (link)
And I had just forgotten the existence of that story. Thank you so very much.

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Re: I like this idea
[info]puipui
2007-06-15 10:21 pm UTC (link)
This post will cover the Doctor Who/Torchwood angle, macros, and canon man-on-man kisses to help the thread along furthur.

OMG those are all brilliant, but it is Jack/Hand FTW, as always.

Now please excuse me as I help the cause along by using an icon of the Tenth Doctor with a kitten on his shoulder, and also ask you to use that "I know because of my learnings" one that I know you have of Ten in reply, because it is 100% pure distilled joy and I love it yes.

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Re: I like this idea
[info]tehrin
2007-06-15 11:29 pm UTC (link)
Got it from someone on ihasatardis.

*models and struts it*

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Re: I like this idea - [info]puipui, 2007-06-16 12:10 am UTC
Re: I like this idea - [info]tehrin, 2007-06-16 01:05 am UTC
Re: I like this idea - [info]puipui, 2007-06-16 01:25 am UTC
Re: I like this idea - [info]catslash, 2007-06-16 03:20 am UTC
Re: I like this idea - [info]notjo, 2007-06-16 02:48 am UTC
Re: I like this idea - [info]puipui, 2007-06-16 04:55 am UTC
Re: I like this idea - [info]notjo, 2007-06-16 10:55 am UTC
Re: I like this idea - [info]puipui, 2007-06-16 05:47 pm UTC
Re: I like this idea
verthandi
2007-06-15 11:34 pm UTC (link)
That thread is made of win and awesome and I'm not even much of a slash fan.

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Re: I like this idea
[info]spacelogic
2007-06-15 11:43 pm UTC (link)
*insert TL;DR about how R/Hr is not like Han/Leia because there is no sexual harassment, unless it happened in book 6 in which case I don't know about it* Er, don't really care one way or another about R/Hr, just accept it as canon -- does that count as shipping? I'm never totally sure with canon pairings.

That link is an excellent addition to the thread. Well done. I will now contribute to the slashiness of the thread by using the icon that the word "slash" reminded me of, as I have no cat pictures handy.

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Re: I like this idea
[info]tehrin
2007-06-16 01:12 am UTC (link)
I think that just means you are literate.

I contribute relative cat macro to this thread. I think this cat is reading HP. If not, he should be!


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[info]doomsday
2007-06-15 10:14 pm UTC (link)
Luke seemed awfully fond of droids when he was stuck out there on the farm on Tatooine. I think they were the sheep to his shepherd.

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[info]sithwitch13
2007-06-16 12:28 am UTC (link)
NO WHY. I can't unsee it! Everywhere I look now, Luke is buttfucking Threepio while Artoo sells recordings over the Holonet.

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[info]keleri
2007-06-16 01:19 am UTC (link)
but--METAL. and. there's got to be. SAND in--

*silent scream*

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[info]breecita
2007-06-16 03:08 am UTC (link)
I once read Luke/Trash-Compactor-Monster fic.

Try unseeing THAT.

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(no subject) - [info]sithwitch13, 2007-06-16 03:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2007-06-16 03:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sticks, 2007-06-16 03:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2007-06-16 04:58 am UTC
Re: Not funny....
[info]mmanurere
2007-06-15 10:35 pm UTC (link)
I can take care of the icon love right here and now.

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Re: Not funny....
[info]notjo
2007-06-16 03:06 am UTC (link)
Are you sure we can't talk about recipes? Cuz, you know, I'm looking for some good OAMC vegetarian recipes that don't involve meat substitutes.

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Re: Not funny....
[info]spacelogic
2007-06-16 03:39 am UTC (link)
*slaps head* Knew I'd forgotten something! Recipes, of course.

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Re: Not funny....
[info]catslash
2007-06-16 03:24 am UTC (link)
I have neither a slashy icon nor a kitty macro, but I do have a macro mocking the "protest too much" stylings of a certain baseball player who is rilly rilly rilly straight no RILLY.



Will that do?

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see icon
[info]spacelogic
2007-06-16 03:41 am UTC (link)
Very nicely.

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