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Lizbeth Marcs ([info]liz_marcs) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2007-06-16 12:23:00


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Current mood:*sporfle!*

Massachusetts Brings the Wank...
Or rather, people from Tennessee bring the wank to Massachusetts via the magic of teh Internets.

Oh, joy.

On Thursday, the Massachusetts state Legislature killed a proposed ballot initiative that would amend the state constitution to define marriage as an institution between one man and one woman by a vote of 45 (for the ballot initiative) to 151 (against the ballot initiative). Since Massachusetts is the only state in the U.S. that performs and recognizes same-sex marriage, the vote means that the status quo is safe until at least 2012 (which is the earliest that opponents of same-sex marriage could possibly get the question to the ballot).

[I won't get into the process of explaining how the state constitution is amended here, since it is a little on the complicated side. Suffice to say that there was an election last year where not one supporter of SSM marriage was voted out of office, but more than one opponent of SSM marriage was. Enough opponents were voted out in general elections that the end result was Thursday's vote.]

Most of the folks (with one or two exceptions) on the b0st0n community are pleased with the result. The discussion is not terribly wanky, and what disagreement there is remains somewhat polite between opposing parties.

And that, most people thought, would be the end of that.

Enter blisspath, who has taken it upon himself/herself to inform the b0st0n community that those darn liberals of Massachusetts are...well, I'm not sure, really.

Hypocrite shows up in the tl;dr rant. So does "voter disenfranchisement" (ummmm, did he/she miss the part where pro-SSM legislators were kept in office or voted into office in 2006, while anti-SSM legislators were voted out?).

And also, don't ask me how, the Massachusetts Legislature is somehow guilty of squashing the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution (hunh?).

Best part of all?

blisspath is from Tennessee.

Cue response from the b0st0n community: "WtF? Who asked you?"

People point out that in a representative democracy, the voters don't get to decide every little thing by popular vote. Other people pointed out that the state followed the legal constitutional procedure, so the day was won fair and square. Other people point out that the anti-SSM side lost despite some dirty pool to collect signatures from voters, so stop throwing around accusations against the pro-SSM side. And, of course, some angry religion wank.

Overall, not terribly wanky in and of itself, until this post, wherein blisspath announces that he/she is not sticking around to continue the argument (probably because the locals keep beating he/she with clue sticks).

Instead, he/she will zoom off to annoy people on the LJ New Jersey community by telling them how they should govern themselves from his/her home in Tennessee.

Be sure to check out this accusation that the OP deleted responses.

Tiny, but tasty political wank...although probably more amusing if you actually live in Massachusetts.

ETA: For a real sporfling good time, check out this wanky brawl over on honestyisabitch where both sides go at it hammer and tongs in more tl;dr posts than you've ever seen in your life. So much for anomie666 and anyone else trying to be reasonable about SSM. Be careful not to drown in the splooge. (thanks [info]zyna_kat!)

Also, it appears our Tennessee crusader is taking his/her crusade to other LJ comms.



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[info]pantyless_angel
2007-06-16 06:23 pm UTC (link)
Yes but how far can we take it, should I be allowed to have all the guns I want? or take any drug that I want? We have to live in laws as a society and a state is a micro society. I am a Libertarian and want the most freedom for everyone as long as it does not affect the freedoms of another person.

...Ok...WHAT? Is she/he/it really comparing the right between two consenting adults to live as they want to being able to take things like heroine and crack cocaine?

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[info]agent_hyatt
2007-06-16 07:34 pm UTC (link)
Well, isn't it? Same-sex marriage is like a gateway drug; let that one pass, and next thing you know, everyone will be marrying goats and the human race will die out for lack of children. Or something.

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[info]pantyless_angel
2007-06-16 08:15 pm UTC (link)
I have goats, I can't imagine anyone who has been near a goat for very long ever wanting to marry one

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[info]wolfsamurai
2007-06-16 08:44 pm UTC (link)
Didn't some fucking idiot politician or pundit somewhere equate same-sex marriage to marrying animals? Or am I misremembering things?

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[info]exit_chrysalis
2007-06-16 09:03 pm UTC (link)
Are you talking about the box turtle guy? Sen. John Cornyn? Also, Rick Santorum compared homosexuality to dog-sexing, if I'm not mistaken.

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[info]wolfsamurai
2007-06-16 09:17 pm UTC (link)
After doing a little Wiki surfing, it appears that I'm probably thinking of Rick Santorum. I could have sworn that someone put it in much more vulgar terms that he apparently did, but I could just be not remembering correctly.

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(no subject) - [info]nekoneko, 2007-06-16 10:00 pm UTC

verthandi
2007-06-16 09:21 pm UTC (link)
*points to icon* You mean this one?

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[info]wonapalei
2007-06-16 09:48 pm UTC (link)
Ahahaha. I ♥ Jon Stewart. :D

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(no subject) - [info]ella_w, 2007-06-17 01:01 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]thesilentsenshi, 2007-06-17 05:03 am UTC

[info]luthe
2007-06-16 10:55 pm UTC (link)
Are you sure they won't be marrying horses? XD

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[info]guilty_as_sin
2007-06-17 08:19 pm UTC (link)
next thing you know, everyone will be marrying goats

I call dibs on Frank!

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[info]harrylovesron
2007-06-16 07:45 pm UTC (link)
Comparisons between gay relationships and illegal/harmful activities = AUTO-FAIL.

And not only that, they claim to want "the most freedom for everyone as long as it does not affect the freedoms of another person"? Uhm, last time I checked, allowing gay couples the same rights and freedoms as straight ones DOES NOT affect the freedoms of the straight couples. WHY IS THIS CONCEPT SO HARD TO GRASP?

*pulls moist-nap from pocket, wipes up*

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[info]pantyless_angel
2007-06-16 08:07 pm UTC (link)
Seriously. I think there should be a law kind of like Godwin's for these kind of situations.

In a discussion of homosexual relationships and/or same sex marriage, should someone on one side of the discussion compare either or both to and/or the legalizing of:
#1. An Illegal/Harmful activity: EX: The use of Illegal Drugs, incest
#2. A bizarre act: EX: Marriage to an Animal, Marriage to an inanimate object
The discussion is over, and the guilty party has lost.

You know something like that only better written.

Uhm, last time I checked, allowing gay couples the same rights and freedoms as straight ones DOES NOT affect the freedoms of the straight couples.

But...but. Then it would be like homosexuals were NORMAL PEOPLE, and not the horrible sinners that they are!

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[info]harrylovesron
2007-06-16 09:17 pm UTC (link)
Good idea. I'll take it over to [info]jurisimprudence, tinker with the wording a bit and credit you with the idea. :D What would such a law be called? The Gay & Slippery Slope, perhaps?

But...but. Then it would be like homosexuals were NORMAL PEOPLE, and not the horrible sinners that they are!

Oh, of course. Can't let them queers and their "lifestyle" be considered NORMAL and acknowledge that what two consenting adults do behind closed doors is their business and theirs alone.

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[info]pantyless_angel
2007-06-16 10:01 pm UTC (link)
I have no idea what to call it, I'm not good at naming things.

Oh, of course. Can't let them queers and their "lifestyle" be considered NORMAL and acknowledge that what two consenting adults do behind closed doors is their business and theirs alone.

Certainly not, especially not in America. How can a country that holds up such ideals as freedom, equality, and the pursuit of happiness allow anything like that? /sarcasm
I LOVE the smell of hypocrisy in the morning!

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(no subject) - [info]harrylovesron, 2007-06-16 11:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2007-06-17 09:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]julesnoctambule, 2007-06-17 08:59 pm UTC

pastri_archy
2007-06-16 08:11 pm UTC (link)
Tow words: Gay. Banditos.

That is all. Back to your regularly scheduled wank.

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pastri_archy
2007-06-16 08:11 pm UTC (link)
*Two.

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[info]harrylovesron
2007-06-16 09:21 pm UTC (link)
Oh, Lewis. <3 Could the man possibly WIN any more?

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(no subject) - pastri_archy, 2007-06-16 10:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]harrylovesron, 2007-06-16 11:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - pastri_archy, 2007-06-17 02:24 pm UTC

eviemouse
2007-06-17 07:00 am UTC (link)
And not only that, they claim to want "the most freedom for everyone as long as it does not affect the freedoms of another person"? Uhm, last time I checked, allowing gay couples the same rights and freedoms as straight ones DOES NOT affect the freedoms of the straight couples.

Or as my Mum put it: "Why would gay marriages threaten my marriage? As long as noone forces your Dad to divorce me and marry a man instead, gay people should be allowed to marry all they like."

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[info]squib
2007-06-16 09:14 pm UTC (link)
Yes but how far can we take it, should I be allowed to have all the guns I want?

YES. Any more stupid questions, Libertarian-who-doesn't-act-like-one?

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[info]pantyless_angel
2007-06-16 10:07 pm UTC (link)
Word! What is wrong with owning all the guns you want as long as you are not using them on other people!

On a side note, if someone breaks into my house I don't see any problem with shooting them in the ass. Especially if they mean harm to me or my family.

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[info]hallidae
2007-06-19 07:57 pm UTC (link)
Just be prepared for them to sue you in return. ::massive eyeroll::

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[info]rimrunner
2007-07-02 06:13 pm UTC (link)
Is there actually a limit on how many guns you can own? Most of the gun owners I know have acquired enough firepower to outfit a small army. (Okay, I exaggerate a bit there.) It's like collecting anything else, really, except that you have to take some extra care with your storage.

It also means that you can take your friends out to the nearest gravel pit and massacre some bowling pins. Which is fun.

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[info]arionhunter
2007-06-16 11:08 pm UTC (link)
If taking heroine gives me superpowers? Totally.

(Sorry, I kind of had to.)

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[info]gunshou
2007-06-19 12:23 pm UTC (link)
*g* I always make heroine addict jokes in my head when I see that misspelling. I blame [info]cleolinda.

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[info]dragonfangirl
2007-06-17 09:25 am UTC (link)
should I be allowed to have all the guns I want?

Aren't we?

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