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	lottelita 2007-06-21 01:32 am UTC (link)
	(Yes, I did read the article. :) But clearly fundamentalist LDS does exist. QED.) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sepiamagpie 2007-06-21 03:13 am UTC (link)
	Dude, don't be obnoxious. Also, they aren't mormons. If they're denied by the actual official body, they are not, in fact, mormons. Whatever they call themselves is immaterial. Also. What do you call a pig that does karate? A pork chop. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	lottelita 2007-06-21 03:18 am UTC (link)
	If my comment meets the definition of "obnoxious" around here, then I guess we've become a kinder, gentler otf_wank. The Cult of Nice prevails in the end? Film at eleven. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sepiamagpie 2007-06-21 03:19 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, it does, you little twit. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	hearsawho 2007-06-21 04:13 am UTC (link)
	"Don't be obnoxious" does not translate to "don't be mean." It translates to "shut up, you are being stupid." (Reply to this)(Parent)

	tez 2007-06-21 03:27 am UTC (link)
	Also, they aren't mormons. If they're denied by the actual official body, they are not, in fact, mormons. Whatever they call themselves is immaterial. My church history professor couldn't have phrased it any better. Also, I like pork chops. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	dragonfangirl 2007-06-21 12:04 pm UTC (link)
	This is fascinating. Not the theology, the wank. I haven't seen so much name-flinging during an otherwise apparently sane and civil discussion since.. uh... 1985! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sepiamagpie 2007-06-21 08:15 pm UTC (link)
	Wrong comment. Unless 'dude' is an insult. My surferese is a little rusty. :( (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	puipui 2007-06-21 10:19 pm UTC (link)
	Maybe she was referring to the "pork chop" thing? Although I've always thought of "pork chop" as more of a term of endearment, really. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	influencethis 2007-06-22 07:13 pm UTC (link)
	Perhaps she is referring to the summation of the wank, and since you have smacked it down at its high point, you are the appropriate point at which to remark upon it. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sepiamagpie 2007-06-22 07:15 pm UTC (link)
	Perhaps! I thought she just got it confused where I called Lotte a twit. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	napalmnacey 2007-06-23 12:31 pm UTC (link)
	When I was a kid, other kids would tell me 'dude' meant 'camel dick'. Nowadays I have to wonder where the hell they came up with that. (Reply to this)(Parent)

puipui
2007-06-21 04:55 am UTC (link)

Ah. So does that mean that Crazy Mel Gibson is, in fact, actually Catholic, even though what he really practices is some sort of bizarre mirror-universe version that he started himself that doesn't follow Vatican II: Electric Boogaloo at all and isn't actually affiliated with the Roman Catholic church and if you asked the pope if Mel Gibson was Catholic hat-dude would laugh in your face, just because the crazy freak and his crazy freak father and his crazy freak friends call themselves "Traditionalist Catholic"?

Good to know, good to know. Totally wrong, of course, but good to know.

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	delcj 2007-06-21 05:06 am UTC (link)
	that sort of makes me want to meet Pope ~~Palpatine~~ Benedict so i can ask him if Mel Gibson is Catholic and he can laugh, because it would be nice to see if he actually can laugh hard. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	puipui 2007-06-21 06:16 am UTC (link)
	He probably laughs a scary laugh that makes him look even more evil. D: (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	missdaisy 2007-06-21 05:00 pm UTC (link)
	It's frightening just to contemplate. (Reply to this)(Parent)

lottelita
2007-06-21 05:16 am UTC (link)

The reading comprehension is not strong here tonight.

FLDS != LDS. But pretending that FLDS doesn't exist because LALALALALA THE NICE MORMONS DON'T WANT IT TO is absurd. Is it separate from the mainline Church? Of course it is. But it does exist, and it is part of Joseph Smith's legacy.

Regarding the Gibsons -- unless the Pope excommunicates someone, that person is Catholic. And millions of practicing Catholics have major issues with Vatican II and still receive communion. Sounds pretty Catholic to me.

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	mindset 2007-06-21 05:54 am UTC (link)
	you're doing this on purpose, aren't you. :( (Reply to this)(Parent)

puipui
2007-06-21 06:05 am UTC (link)

So... if I just went out and bought some communion wafers, and then rented out a big building and hired somebody to feed me said wafers every Sunday while throwing some Latin around, and I called myself Catholic, then I would be Catholic? Even though I wouldn't be affiliated with the actual really-and-truly Roman Catholic church at all? Because that's essentially what Mel Gibson has done, and it sounds pretty Catholic to you. And you are, of course, the final arbiter of that kind of thing, as opposed to the actual people who are actually part of the actual religion.

I understand what you're trying to get at, here, I think, something along the lines of the "you don't get to call other people not Christian just because they do something you don't like" argument, it sounds like, and that's a totally valid argument when used correctly, but I don't think you quite understand that what you're saying sounds more like "you don't get to call other people not Amish just because they drive sports cars and wear lots of bling and like to play first-person shooter games".

Torturing Jews and burning witches are part of Catholicism's legacy, as you put it, but I can pretty much guarantee that if a group came to light that called themselves Fundamentalist Catholic that encouraged Jew-torturing and witch-burning just like in the olden days, the Roman Catholic church would be the first to yell "Not Catholic!" and anyone who disagreed with them would be idiots to do so. It's this thing that religion does where it grows and evolves and changes over time, obviously you haven't heard of it.

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	puipui 2007-06-21 06:10 am UTC (link)
	if a group came to light that called themselves Fundamentalist Catholic that encouraged Jew-torturing and witch-burning just like in the olden days Note: This may, in fact, be exactly what Mel Gibson's wacky cult thingie does, I'm not entirely sure. Are they sedevacantists? Conclavists? I have no idea. (Reply to this)(Parent)

lottelita
2007-06-21 06:23 am UTC (link)

And you are, of course, the final arbiter of that kind of thing, as opposed to the actual people who are actually part of the actual religion.

The people who actually part of the actual religion -- like, you know, the Vatican -- hasn't excommunicated Mel Gibson. Sounds like he's Catholic to them, so it sounds like he's Catholic to me.

I don't think you quite understand that what you're saying sounds more like "you don't get to call other people not Amish just because they drive sports cars and wear lots of bling and like to play first-person shooter games".

I don't think it sounds like that at all. That's the lovely thing about communication, though: I say one thing, you hear another, we pretend we're sixth-graders, fun for the whole family.

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puipui
2007-06-21 06:41 am UTC (link)

The people who actually part of the actual religion -- like, you know, the Vatican -- hasn't excommunicated Mel Gibson. Sounds like he's Catholic to them, so it sounds like he's Catholic to me.

Actually, if you had even bothered looking into the "Traditionalist Catholic" issue at all, you... oh, fuck it. Clearly you are going to be at this all night, because you are just that stupid, and you truly believe that everyone else has all the reading comprehension and communication problems here, when, in fact, it all comes down to you. I would be better off trying to explain this shit to my cat's ass that to you, as it would make more of an attempt to understand.

Are you always this much of a douche? No, really, be honest, are you?