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dreamer_marie ([info]dreamer_marie) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2007-06-24 00:10:00


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Atheists: Like Those Mean Girls in High School, in a Way
Over at the LJ community [info]dark_christian, [info]nebris reposts an article called  An increasingly outspoken community of atheists and agnostics is getting fed up with being marginalized, ignored and insulted. It's mainly about Dawkins's and Hitchens's success with their books about atheism and how it gave a lot of Americans the guts to own up to the fact that they're atheists (apparently atheism is next to communism in the good ol' USA).

It's a direct success when [info]roseross replies, in the first comment:
Militant atheists are the only group other than the Dominionists who scare me because they are so intolerant of others' spiritual beliefs. They insult people who believe differently than they do. They insist that ALL will some day believe as they do, because they're the only people who have it right. They often feel using the government to enforce their worldview is a good idea. In short, the only way to tell the difference between a militant atheist and a Dominionist is which creed they intend all of us to adhere to. For our own good, of course.
People call her on her bovine excrement, but she insists:
Can't count the number of times I've heard militant atheists long for religion to be made illegal. After all, from their point of view, spiritual beliefs are all childish delusions and it would be doing a favor to take the purple unicorns away from the silly people who have not reached the lofty state of atheism on their own. They seem to have no idea why any of that would be insulting to others, or perhaps they just don't care since the insulted folks are just braindead religious folks in the first place.
But why wank when you can have an orgy?
 [info]bobdole asks:
The only other group? So militant atheists scare you in this regard but militant Muslims, for example, do not?
The definitions of the words creed and faith need clarification. Religious scientists get their feelings hurt. People get flashbacks of being outraged. The Constitution is invoked. And much, much more for who is willing to rake through the tl;dr and the "quote-marks."
And will somebody think of the non-Abrahamicists?


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[info]tangentialone
2007-06-24 06:18 am UTC (link)
Can't count the number of times I've heard militant atheists long for religion to be made illegal.

Well... I can count to zero....

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[info]shaysdays
2007-06-24 06:38 am UTC (link)
Depends on where you stand- although I agree with the idea, the stand against things like swearing on the Bible or taking "In God We Trust" off money could be seen as asking to make religion illegal- since it is a major part of a historically based religious ... um, thing.

Granted, I come at this from a weird perspective- both swearing on a Bible and having God on money are kind of against my religion. As is Clive Cussler.

Well, maybe not, but he totally should be. Just because... augh.

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[info]tangentialone
2007-06-24 06:56 am UTC (link)
Yeeeaaah... but that wouldn't be stopping individuals from worshipping, or disbanding any churches. It'd just be a tiny step towards not having Christianity (or, okay, "God" is somewhat nonspecific, but I think we all know which one it's referring to) look like the Official Guvmint-Sanctioned Church of USA.

I think some people just like to feel oppressed whenever anyone suggests that maybe they/their beliefs shouldn't be getting special treatment.

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[info]kadath
2007-06-24 02:46 pm UTC (link)
taking "In God We Trust" off money

Well, since it was put there in the 1950s during the anti-Commie hysteria, I would laugh at anyone who seriously proposed that line of argument.

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[info]shun_mcdaddy
2007-06-25 03:23 am UTC (link)
*Is guilty of said argument without doing research*

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[info]tehrin
2007-06-24 07:15 am UTC (link)
I can't even name a well-known militant atheist. And I'm actually trying to think about it.


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[info]tangentialone
2007-06-24 07:16 am UTC (link)
Yeah... I've seen a lot of "lol religion," but not one "religion should be kickbanned!"

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[info]vigilanterodent
2007-06-24 07:41 am UTC (link)
I've seen people say they supported communist regimes' tendencies to go after religion violently, does that count?

But this is the internet. People will say all kinds of crazy shit here. I imagine if I spoke to pretty much any of those people offline, they'd be muuuuch more moderate in their statements.

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iwanttobeasleep
2007-06-24 02:56 pm UTC (link)
There was one on the Daily Show!

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[info]serai
2007-06-24 03:36 pm UTC (link)
How about Penn Jillette? That guy is one of the most ANNOYING atheists I've ever seen.

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[info]mmanurere
2007-06-24 10:22 pm UTC (link)
Penn is great as an example of somebody I want off my side of several issues.

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[info]serai
2007-06-24 11:37 pm UTC (link)
Yep. It's especially galling because he's clearly very intelligent, and if he wasn't so pushy and arrogant, he'd probably have some really interesting things to say on the subject.

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[info]spacelogic
2007-06-24 12:20 pm UTC (link)
Ooh, I got one! Elton John! Of course, I'm pretty sure he didn't actually mean it, just kind of an "urgh, religious homophobes drive me up the wall," sort of overdramatic statement, but that's still one person saying religion should be banned.

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[info]vito_excalibur
2007-06-24 05:20 pm UTC (link)
They actually meant to say they couldn't divide by the number of times they've heard militant atheists long for religion to be made illegal.

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[info]goldberry
2007-06-25 04:26 pm UTC (link)
Win. XD

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[info]greenling
2007-06-24 07:18 pm UTC (link)
I can count to... one or two.

But I don't think random twelve-year-olds on Gaia should be considered responsible for anything, really.

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[info]mmanurere
2007-06-24 10:23 pm UTC (link)
Can we start a militant extremist movement to oppress twelve-year-old idjit Gaians?

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[info]greenling
2007-06-25 02:16 am UTC (link)
Only if we get to oppress them with pointy things.

I'll settle for hedgehog catapults.

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[info]queencallipygos
2007-06-25 03:45 pm UTC (link)
I've spoken to a few. Granted, they were not in any position of power, and they were rare, but they do exist.

More common, but still rare, are the folks who want religion to be rooted out of the human consciousness altogether, which seems even nastier, somehow (look, I don't care if someone thinks religion is silly, but if they think I am silly for being a theist, or give me one of Richard Dawkins' books as a Christmas present? -- and yes, I know someone who told me they were going to do something like this -- That's...kind of assholish, in my opinion.

However, I don't consider such folks to be indicative of atheists as a whole; I tend to divide people into only two categories -- assholes and non-assholes. The religion, political affiliation, or ice cream preference of assholes is a secondary matter for me. :-)

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[info]tangentialone
2007-06-25 06:00 pm UTC (link)
Ewwwww. Yeah, that's as bad as those people who think that everyone should have to be their religion because theirs is the right way, and everyone else needs to be saved whether they like it or not, all other things being equal.

Yeah, I think those kinds of people would just be using something else as a vessel for their assholery if they weren't using religion/lack thereof.

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