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dreamer_marie ([info]dreamer_marie) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2007-06-24 00:10:00


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Atheists: Like Those Mean Girls in High School, in a Way
Over at the LJ community [info]dark_christian, [info]nebris reposts an article called  An increasingly outspoken community of atheists and agnostics is getting fed up with being marginalized, ignored and insulted. It's mainly about Dawkins's and Hitchens's success with their books about atheism and how it gave a lot of Americans the guts to own up to the fact that they're atheists (apparently atheism is next to communism in the good ol' USA).

It's a direct success when [info]roseross replies, in the first comment:
Militant atheists are the only group other than the Dominionists who scare me because they are so intolerant of others' spiritual beliefs. They insult people who believe differently than they do. They insist that ALL will some day believe as they do, because they're the only people who have it right. They often feel using the government to enforce their worldview is a good idea. In short, the only way to tell the difference between a militant atheist and a Dominionist is which creed they intend all of us to adhere to. For our own good, of course.
People call her on her bovine excrement, but she insists:
Can't count the number of times I've heard militant atheists long for religion to be made illegal. After all, from their point of view, spiritual beliefs are all childish delusions and it would be doing a favor to take the purple unicorns away from the silly people who have not reached the lofty state of atheism on their own. They seem to have no idea why any of that would be insulting to others, or perhaps they just don't care since the insulted folks are just braindead religious folks in the first place.
But why wank when you can have an orgy?
 [info]bobdole asks:
The only other group? So militant atheists scare you in this regard but militant Muslims, for example, do not?
The definitions of the words creed and faith need clarification. Religious scientists get their feelings hurt. People get flashbacks of being outraged. The Constitution is invoked. And much, much more for who is willing to rake through the tl;dr and the "quote-marks."
And will somebody think of the non-Abrahamicists?


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[info]rachel_pi
2007-06-25 12:38 am UTC (link)
And the consequences of being publicly atheist, or agnostic, or even spiritual-but-non-Christian, for those of us who stick our necks out, are often drastic, including losing jobs and custody of children and sometimes even being thrown in jail for whatever the police can find on us, or in some cases even thrown in jail for charges that are completely fabricated. It happens. And it almost never makes the news when it does.

Ok, now as a white, upper middle class Christian, I will admit, I haven't had to deal with a lot of problems from US society. But seriously? Losing jobs I might see in the Bible Belt (although that's a case I'm sure the ACLU would love), but how are the police supposed to know you're an atheist?

This sort of smacks of "the lurkers support me in e-mail" evidence to me (although I am willing to be proved wrong).

And that said, Christians? We are really not being persecuted in America. I understand the feeling. But no.

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[info]dreamer_marie
2007-06-25 12:56 am UTC (link)
Well, there was this one guy who got fired by his uber-religious boss for being an atheist up north. He was guarding an estate, and the landlord and lady kept inviting him and his wife for dinner and trying to convert them, until he admitted he was an atheist and the ladlord told him he wasn't sure he wanted to speak to him anymore. Batshit story.

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verthandi
2007-06-25 04:44 am UTC (link)
Allegedly, there are Wiccans and/or other pagans that have lost custody of children and/or lost their jobs, but I can't find any specific cases at the moment.

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[info]threegoldfish
2007-06-25 11:19 am UTC (link)
There was a case out in, oh surprise, Ohio, I believe a year or so ago. Can't remember if it was a divorce custody case or if the state had removed the kids for some reason then wouldn't give them back.

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[info]queencallipygos
2007-06-25 03:50 pm UTC (link)
And that said, Christians? We are really not being persecuted in America. I understand the feeling. But no.

Exactly.

Yes, over the course of history you can find examples of ANY religion being persecuted. But, you can also find examples of those SAME religions doing the persecuting instead.

Which to my mind means that playing the "we're more persecuted than thou" game is completely pointless, and makes me want to tell everyone doing it to drop trou, see who's got the shorted penis and be done with it.

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