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Oxydosic ([info]oxydosic) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2007-06-28 22:08:00


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Small, but with no animal abuse (just a little furbashing)
Over on [info]bad_service, [info]tracyluvsya posts about a bad hotel experience with priceline.com. The fun begins when [info]xhappyx posts this:

what is 3 star by American standards is different in various countries. In parts of Africa that I have stayed, just the fact that the hotel has running water and a toilet makes it 3 stars! I have seen far worse and I am sorry you went through this but when booking a hotel room in a 3rd world country you really need to go 4-5 stars to be on the safe side.

People take this to mean that [info]xhappyx thinks Puerto Rico is a third world country and of course, people take issue with it.[info]xhappyx explains that they were referring to Africa, not Puerto Rico. That should be the end of it, right? Wrong!

First, [info]xhappyx tangles with [info]karinalightpaw:

[info]kiranlightpaw: Puerto Rico is HARDLY a third world country, though. It's a territory of the United States.


[info]xhappyx:You need to calm down. Did I say it was a 3rd world country? I mentioned my experience in Africa. Also, just because something is a territory doesn't make it have the same standards as the mainland USA.

But thanks for the geography lesson, I don't know how I ever survived traveling the world 10 times over without some furry pointing out the obvious.



Then, [info]xhappyx gets into it with [info]crazykimmy:

[info]crazykimmy: Wow, you have a severe case of the moron.

Puerto Rico is hardly a third world "country", by any stretch of the imagination. It's an incredibly racist thing to think, and an even more offensive thing to say!


[info]xhappyx: LOL at race card!

If you want to know where the term 3rd world came from

History Lesson

The term third world is a synonym for those nations that aligned themselves with neither the West nor with the Soviet Bloc during the Cold War.

ZOMG!!!! not being aligned with neither the Soviet Bloc or the West is soooooooo racist!


[info]crazykimmy: I'm glad you get all your learningz from stupid_free. It makes you look edumacated.

Just because a term began that way in 1952, does not mean that it's use has been exclusively with that meaning. It can also refer to the amount of human development in an area, and as an extension refer to the development of its infrastructure. Your original comment was not about whether or not, Puerto Rico is affiliated with Russia. You'sd be wrong on that score too. It was about the condition of the hotel being what someone should expect in a third world country--which sounds like you're saying it's underdeveloped. It is not by anyone's standards.

Since it is a Latino country, and has many people of the "brown people" extraction, one has to wonder if you assume all nations of a certain race are just underdeveloped. That would be racist. No card necessary.


[info]xhappyx: I am still lolling at the fact that you are trying really hard to spin this in to a race issue.

Keep it up, and maybe I will get even more attention! I just love all the attention I am getting today.

P.S. my source was the oxford university press dictionary and also wikipedia.

Here is another bit of info for you:

The 2006 Puerto Rico budget crisis was a political, economic, and social crisis that saw much of the government of Puerto Rico shut down after it ran out of funds near the end of the 2005-2006 fiscal year.

Does knowing that Puerto Rico had to shut down from being poor make me racist too?



Please, no furPuerto Rico bashing.


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[info]damnedfallacy
2007-06-29 04:18 am UTC (link)
Have you not seen photos of New Orleans? Have you not watched news stories or people living in hollars in TN?

HAVE YOU NOT SEEN A MASS GRAVE?

And, for the record, people living in hollars in Tennessee tend to get a bit creeped out by people standing around just watching them. Don't ask me how I know.

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[info]joye
2007-06-29 07:31 am UTC (link)
"Hey, why are you staring at us?"
"Me? Oh, sorry, I just need some credentials for arguing on the interwebz. Just let me observe the appalling conditions in which you live for another 15 minutes and I'll really have the moral high ground."

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[info]seiberwing
2007-06-29 01:34 pm UTC (link)
I've always wanted to meet the sort of people you hear about that come to the South and go 'oh, look at the cute little redneck'. And then watch them get eaten.

Seriously, what *is* a hollar anyway?

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[info]somnambulicious
2007-06-29 03:01 pm UTC (link)
It's a Southern dialect version of hollow (valley.)

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[info]seiberwing
2007-06-29 03:15 pm UTC (link)
I live in the South, I know the literal meaning. But are they just talking about valley folks or people whose houses are just little ratholes?

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[info]somnambulicious
2007-06-29 03:27 pm UTC (link)
Oops, sorry. I...honestly don't know. My first thought was, "Living in a holler is bad...why?" If there's some colloquialism wherein holler=squalid, it's news to me.

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[info]seiberwing
2007-06-29 03:34 pm UTC (link)
I've never actually heard it used in anything but hillbilly-parody talk.

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[info]somnambulicious
2007-06-29 03:45 pm UTC (link)
I've heard it a lot, but then, I come from bona fide hillbilly stock. Plus, it's in the lyrics to Woody Guthrie's "Way Over Yonder in the Minor Key" ("I found a little girl in a holler tree.")

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[info]seiberwing
2007-06-29 04:33 pm UTC (link)
Me, I live near Oak Ridge. We breed geeks.

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[info]somnambulicious
2007-06-29 04:40 pm UTC (link)
My family's all in southeastern Oklahoma. According to our former governor, we breed illiterate drug addicts. I don't think he'll be invited to any fish fries down there anytime soon.

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[info]blue_penguin
2007-06-29 04:46 pm UTC (link)
I live near Oak Ridge. We breed geeks.

Oak Ridge breeds geeks? That explains my cousins, then.

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[info]seiberwing
2007-06-29 04:49 pm UTC (link)
We're right next to the national labs, so half the parents of the kids here are scientists. The other half are rednecks.

Give us a few centuries and we'll have two different breeds of humans evolved, or something.

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[info]smo
2007-06-29 05:30 pm UTC (link)
Or geeky rednecks. That would be a h00t.

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[info]major_fischer
2007-06-29 08:36 pm UTC (link)
When I lived in Memphis I was always told Oak Ridge breeds fish with three eyes a la the Simpsons. ;)

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[info]kinneas
2007-06-30 06:51 pm UTC (link)
'Sup, Oak Ridge

-Cookeville

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[info]seiberwing
2007-06-30 07:02 pm UTC (link)
*waves at* *glows in the dark*

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[info]dandywolves
2007-06-29 09:22 pm UTC (link)
Man, I'd always wondered when listening to that song what a holler tree was. It makes so much more sense now.

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[info]magnolia_mama
2007-06-29 03:39 pm UTC (link)
Blame Loretta Lynn. Or not really, but to the unejumacated and quick to stereotype, Butcher Hollow can easily stand as representative of all hollers.

There's a highway sign not far outside Salem, Virginia for a place known as "Butt Hollow." Yes, I laugh every time I see it, because I am apparently still 12.

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[info]tofuknight
2007-07-01 12:41 am UTC (link)
And so am I, because that made me snort grapefruit juice up my nose.

Ow. :(

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[info]seiberwing
2007-06-29 04:24 pm UTC (link)
"Way down yonder in a holler tree", perhaps.

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[info]frequentmouse
2007-06-29 03:45 pm UTC (link)
Not a Loretta Lynn fan, I take it?

My understanding is that Hollow, pronounced "Hollar", used in place names, usually indicates a small mountain valley, usually at the confluence of two creeks.

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[info]loquaciousquark
2007-06-30 05:12 am UTC (link)
I have lived in Alabama all my life and this is the first time I've ever understood that.

I feel all edumacated now.

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[info]vito_excalibur
2007-06-29 06:06 pm UTC (link)
It's what you find next to a hoot'n.

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[info]rennyn_alerothi
2007-06-30 12:44 am UTC (link)
Off topic: your icon wins!

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[info]vito_excalibur
2007-06-30 02:57 pm UTC (link)
thanks! Michael Whelan is love.

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