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pepperlandgirl4 ([info]pepperlandgirl4) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2007-07-18 22:54:00


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Chick Porn is serious business!
This last weekend was the RWA (Romance Writers of America) National Convention in Dallas. It has generated a lot of wank. I don't have time to scour the Internet to find all the links, but so far, the following people have their feathers ruffled:

1) Erotic romance writers published with e-publishers (E-publishers are now classified as vanity publishers by RWA standards...many people are not pleased).
2) Writers of YA books and writers of Single Title Romances
3) People who don't like Swan Hats and cosplay.

It's like a perfect storm of wank, and even Nora Roberts is involved in some (most? much?) of it.

In the interest of full disclosure, I was involved in discussion about point 1. I don't know if I got wanky, necessarily, but I did want to put that out there.

First, the point of dispute:
3. The Board updated the definition of Subsidy Publisher or Vanity Publisher to: any publisher that publishes books in which the author participates in the cost of production or distribution in any manner, including publisher assessment of a fee or other costs for editing and/or distribution. This definition includes publishers who withhold or seek full or partial payment of reimbursement of publication or distribution costs before paying royalties, including payment of paper, printing, binding, production, sales or marketing costs; publishers whose authors exclusively promote and/or sell their own books; publishers whose primary means of offering books for sale is through a publisher-generated Web site; publishers whose list is comprised of 50% or more of its books written by authors who are principals in the publishing company; and publishers whose business model and methods of publishing are primarily directed toward sales to the author, his/her relatives and associates."

According to this language, epublishers qualify as vanity or subsidy publishers. Discussion results here, here (you have to register to read, but there's a lot of over-reaction!), here, and here to name but a very, very few links.

But apparently, they were just warming up!

The RITA is the RWA's annual awards. The Smart Bitches report that Caridad Ferrar won Best Single Title Romance with Adios To My Old Life. The problem? Adios To My Old Life is technically a YA novel. Somebody was unhappy and posted That’s total horse$hit. Smarbitch Sara takes exception to the comment, and lets everybody know. I saw her reponse before I saw the comment, so I thought there was some real vicious comments in the prior post. But there was just the one. Some might think that Sara's reaction was a little over the top, but it still generated 95 comments of heated, and wanky, discussion.

But they weren't through yet!

On the first night of the convention, Wednesday, there was a literacy signing. It was open to the public, not just people attending the convention, and it was to raise money for charity. Well, things get rolling with the comment posted in KateR's blog.
"...that kind of bothered me at this conference. Stuff like [the costumed writers] and all the blog reviewers being there. It just started to feel like it was maybe turning into a fan conference rather than a professional organizations' annual meeting."


Things stay pretty civil in Karen's blog. The same comments were brought up on Smart Bitches Trashy Books. And THEY. ARE. OFF!

262 comments at the time of this posting. What really has got people worked up into frothy wank is the costumes. What are the horrible costumes in question? here and Author Sherrilyn Kenyon in her black swan hat autographs a book for a fan.

It is, to put it bluntly, the downfall of the romance genre. Poor Nora Roberts had the vapors! But I think my favorite comment came from Deb Smith
Hey, you wanta go to a fan convention and dress up, no problem. But to go to a conference specifically for your professional peers and dress like a self-promoting cheescake is, well, like a pediatrician showing up at the AMA conference wearing a bunny suit. One could argue that said pediatrician is just promoting the business of being a kiddie doc, right? No. He or she is at a professional conference for other doctors. Not appearing at the local Chucky Cheese to drum up business.

To the someone who said “pedophilia” is out of line when connected to grown women dressing like school girls. Nope. A fetish that depends on infantilizing adult women is about promoting sex with underage girls.


There's really too much there to pull out all the highlights. People are offended by the swan hat. People are offended by the anime style of dress. People are offended by the implication of that "the rebels of romance" means everybody else is boring and frumpy. People are upset because romance authors don't get enough respect, old-schools-versus-new-school authors, and more!

Edited to fix Swan hat pic


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[info]blackjackrocket
2007-07-19 05:54 am UTC (link)
That link promising a "swan hat" takes me to several pictures, but there's no swans nor hats in any of them. Although I'm totally picturing someone wearing Bjork's Oscar dress on their head.

And sure, totally, dressing younger=infantilizing. That's why they were wearing diapers--OH WAIT.

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[info]somnambulicious
2007-07-19 05:56 am UTC (link)
Here you go. It's on the page, eight pictures down.

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[info]rosehiptea
2007-07-19 10:07 am UTC (link)
Those women look pretty far from underaged.

(No matter how I say it that comes off as bitchy-sounding, but I don't mean it that way. I think they look like they're having fun, and they're younger than I am anyway.)

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[info]somnambulicious
2007-07-19 05:54 am UTC (link)
I want a swan hat. Then I'd just have to join some sort of...*shudder*...professional organization so I'd have an excuse to wear it.

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[info]delcj
2007-07-19 06:18 am UTC (link)
or you could attend an Ascot race meet. you and your swan hat would fit in just fine there.

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[info]mmanurere
2007-07-19 06:23 am UTC (link)
That swan hat could be a delightful addition to Bjork's swan ensemble.

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[info]theladyfeylene
2007-07-19 07:20 am UTC (link)
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thought of Bjork upon seeing that.

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[info]wolfsamurai
2007-07-19 06:30 am UTC (link)
The woman in the swan hat is pretty hot. But the hat is still pretty odd.

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[info]wrongly_amused
2007-07-19 06:34 am UTC (link)
I like how the swan hat has indefinitely upstaged any comments on Deb Smith's dimwitted and unapologetically offensive analogy thus far. :-)

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[info]smo
2007-07-19 06:39 am UTC (link)
But to go to a conference specifically for your professional peers and dress like a self-promoting cheescake is, well, like a pediatrician showing up at the AMA conference wearing a bunny suit.

What would a gynecologist dress up as, I wonder? A giant va-jay-jay?

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(no subject) - [info]luthe, 2007-07-19 08:03 am UTC
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[info]khym_chanur
2007-07-19 07:18 am UTC (link)
Darn, I was hoping for wank about porn involving baby chickens.

The RITA is the RWA's annual awards. The Smart Bitches report that Caridad Ferrar won Best Single Title Romance with Adios To My Old Life. The problem? Adios To My Old Life is technically a YA novel.
In CATEGORY ROMANCE will be "categorized" by a specific brand name, such as Harlequin Presents, Silhouette Desire or Silhouette Intimate Moments. Their covers look similar and they are sold together in a packaged line. Each line has certain common elements, such as the level of sensuality or the level of mystery. Word count is generally about the same but can differ greatly from line to line.

A SINGLE TITLE ROMANCE is one that stands alone on the shelf without being part of particular line. This type of romance may stay on the shelf and in print much longer than a category. [from here]
Unless Young Adult is a brand of a series of romance novels, I'm not seeing the problem here.

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(no subject) - [info]pepperlandgirl4, 2007-07-19 07:21 am UTC
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[info]jellybeanboom
2007-07-19 07:22 am UTC (link)
And now I'm thrilled that I spent that night drunk! I woulda liked to get a picture of the swan hat, though.

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[info]dragonfangirl
2007-07-19 07:38 am UTC (link)
We have to protect the dignity and professionality of women who write porn for money!

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[info]khym_chanur
2007-07-19 09:07 am UTC (link)
About the restriction on e-publishing, I think I see what they were trying to get at, and their mistake was that vanity publishing is just a subset of what they're trying to prohibit. I think that what they want to prohibit is anything that's published in a manner where the publisher takes on very little risk when publishing the work. If a book is offered primarily from a website, then it can either be produced in a print-on-demand method (so if there ends up being no demand then there is little sunk cost), or it can be sent as data over the internet, which also has little sunk cost. If selecting a title for publishing doesn't mean that the publisher has to eat a large sunk cost regardless of how many books get sold, then the publisher has less reason to turn away sub-par novels.

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(no subject) - [info]threegoldfish, 2007-07-19 01:44 pm UTC

[info]frequentmouse
2007-07-19 01:59 pm UTC (link)
On page three of the Absolute Write link, December Quinn says in describing JoB, king of tl;dr:

The fact that you're the only one who seems to understand exactly what it is you mean, and the rest of us are all apparently reading all sorts of craziness into what you've said, should give you serious pause..

But then, where would the wank communities be?

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[info]danceswithelvis
2007-07-19 03:05 pm UTC (link)
The bird hat is...disturbing. Someone hold me. (I have booze and I'll share!)

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[info]come_love_sleep
2007-07-19 03:40 pm UTC (link)
...those girls are supposed to be in costume? I dress a lot like that to go to work.

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(no subject) - [info]sashenka, 2007-07-19 05:33 pm UTC

[info]dez_chan
2007-07-19 04:12 pm UTC (link)
Swan hat reminds me of the villain in Cave Dwellers. If I could find a picture, I'd link it.

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[info]out_bottle
2007-07-19 04:35 pm UTC (link)
Damn, if the bitch wants to wear a swan hat, let plonk that dead plumage on her head.

These folks should check out DragonCon.

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[info]lcsbanana
2007-07-19 04:41 pm UTC (link)
oh, it's a nice swan hat, but...well, it's hard to impress me with dead bird headgear anymore.

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[info]an_igor
2007-07-19 04:43 pm UTC (link)
I went into this thinking it'd be about *Jack* Chick porn.

Nope. No idea why, sorry.

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[info]bardsong
2007-07-19 05:17 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for reporting this! I've been reading all the wank over RWA on SBTB for the better part of this week and hoping someone else would bring it here!

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(no subject) - [info]pepperlandgirl4, 2007-07-19 06:10 pm UTC

[info]sashenka
2007-07-19 05:17 pm UTC (link)
I don't usually read romance, but those Shomi books sound like fun bus reading. This wank scares me, so I'm ignoring it >_>

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[info]mer1973
2007-07-19 05:52 pm UTC (link)
Romance wank. There's a really filthy joke in this, but I just can't find it.

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(no subject) - [info]lysana, 2007-07-19 11:12 pm UTC

[info]pink_rhombus
2007-07-20 03:46 am UTC (link)
Not only do I think that swan hat is awesome, I think that in the future, at any and all public promotional events, every author must be required to dress up as a character in the book that he or she is promoting at the time.

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