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snarkivist ([info]snarkivist) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2007-08-03 21:52:00


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Entry tags:genderblah

The Vulva Superstar PC Revue
[info]bellasmommy links to a [info]vaginapagina mod post about whether or not everyone who owns a vagina isn't grossly butthurt when it's implied that zhe is a woman.

[info]stupid_free disagrees. For 700 comments, and counting....

Choice bits:

[info]jack_jackrum: Some people who have vaginas are not women, ladies, or girls. I don't see how this is hard to understand. Have you been under a rock for the last 50 years?
[info]freezer818: Seems like overdramatic, oversensitive hair-splitting that will cause more drama than it's meant to prevent. But what do I know, I'm just a lowly man. *crawls back under rock*

[info]pettythiefIn the example the poster gives (paraphrasing) "recommend that women get pap-tests", how do you re-write that sentence so as not to offend people who have a cervix but don't call themselves 'a woman'? Can it be done? What are you supposed to say? "People with a cervix"? "Vagina-sapiens"? Is it fair of the cisgendered people to expect everyone to perform lexical gymnastics when they represent a tiny proportion of the populace? Unless of course there's a disproportionate number in that community, in which case it's a whole different ball-game.


...and, with that, I think I've burned out, since this whole post makes my head ache. Let's pick a pronoun and go with it.

The real problem is with a safe space that's so safe you're not allowed to say anything at all.



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[info]tekenduis
2007-08-04 03:41 am UTC (link)
I have read this post six times now and still it refuses to make sense.

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[info]theladyfeylene
2007-08-04 03:47 am UTC (link)
What I gather:

A transgendered person or a transvestite who is biologically female but IDs as male got pissed whenever anyone said 'woman' because it WAS NOT A WOMAN BUT WOMEN ISSUES STILL APPLIED AND THAT IS OPPRESSION!!!!

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[info]tekenduis
2007-08-04 03:49 am UTC (link)
Brevity is the soul of wit?

Thank you.

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[info]kittikattie
2007-08-04 04:42 am UTC (link)
No gender at all. X does not want to be called male, female, or anything but X.

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[info]cjk
2007-08-04 06:49 am UTC (link)
Switchknife? :)

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[info]hearsawho
2007-08-04 03:49 am UTC (link)
The person [info]kittikattie is referring to as "X" doesn't self-identify as a woman, but has the biology of a woman and the concerns that go along with it. So when people talked about pregnancy and used the term women to describe the people who are able to get pregnant, X would get upset, because X can get pregnant but doesn't self-identify as a woman. Thus X objected to "women" being applied to anyone concerned with those issues.

Or I'm guessing, at least.

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[info]tekenduis
2007-08-04 03:51 am UTC (link)
I think the problem may be that my eyes sort of glazed over partway through.

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[info]kittikattie
2007-08-04 04:41 am UTC (link)
Pretty much. X doesn't identify as a gender. X will throw a bitchfit if you use a single pronoun--including zie and hir--to refer to X, so anytime you refer to X, you have to say X. It's like singing Rufus Xavier Sasparilla but you CAN'T use pronouns.

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[info]tangentialone
2007-08-04 06:53 am UTC (link)
Well, isn't X a special snowflake.

Though it'd be nice if we could agree, I mean really agree, on a gender-indeterminate pronoun set (preferably with none of the forms sounding like existing ones) for English, because "they" has its own set of problems even if it's getting to be common usage, i.e., grammatical weirdness and people bitching about how it's sooooo wroooooong and "he" is technically the correct usage.

/wipes up

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[info]kittikattie
2007-08-04 08:00 am UTC (link)
Oh, X is a very special snowflake. X can hate whatever X wants, and say whatever X wants, but if you ever tell X to shove it, X says that you're close minded and not open to all people's choices.

I'm open minded, but I like to keep my brains IN.

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(no subject) - [info]caffeine_fairy, 2007-08-04 04:18 pm UTC

[info]khym_chanur
2007-08-04 09:02 pm UTC (link)
How does she respond when someone refers to her as "it"? I'm sure someone must have done it.

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(no subject) - [info]beckyh2112, 2007-08-05 12:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kittikattie, 2007-08-05 01:10 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]khym_chanur, 2007-08-05 02:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kittikattie, 2007-08-05 05:04 am UTC

[info]kittikattie
2007-08-04 04:37 am UTC (link)
Long story short: Genderfluid person X insists that every time anyone mention anything about a hoohah, they make sure they mention X and how X matters all the time, making it all about X. She summarily pissed me off, and I am ranting.

I use X so as not to say who it is. I cannot use any pronouns as the person is genderfluid but will not let you use ANY pronouns to refer to X. It's like talking about Rufus Xavier Sasparilla, but you can only say Rufus Xavier Sasparilla every time you refer to Rufus Xavier Sasparilla.

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[info]frequentmouse
2007-08-04 05:19 am UTC (link)
(adds narcissism to the list of things which can be more comprehensive than ever I imagined)

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[info]squib
2007-08-04 08:45 am UTC (link)
use X so as not to say who it is. I cannot use any pronouns as the person is genderfluid but will not let you use ANY pronouns to refer to X.

I'd mention suggesting that Rufus X take up the use of the royal "we", just because it would be really funny if Rufus X actually did so.

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[info]batty
2007-08-04 04:21 pm UTC (link)
From one genderfluid person to another, X can shove it up its twat. Most people who possess a vagina do identify as a woman and ergo most talk about the reproductive rights of those possessing a vagina will address these people as women. It really isn't an insult to X, or Y, or little quiet Z over there in the corner.

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[info]batty
2007-08-04 04:35 pm UTC (link)
X can also shove the "pedophilia is ok" idea up its twat too. I can tell it from experience that society's morality regarding pedophilia doesn't make a bit of difference in the effect it has on the 'lucky object of affections.'

...And those are my thoughts on yaoi! Back to your regularly scheduled horse-fuckers.

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[info]barankhy
2007-08-04 07:29 pm UTC (link)
Let me oppress you with my pronouns.

My Pronouns.
Let me oppress you with them.

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wolfie_thu
2007-08-05 05:59 am UTC (link)
Thank-you for some lolz.

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[info]brown_betty
2007-08-05 12:45 am UTC (link)
What about "they?" No good?

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[info]kittikattie
2007-08-05 01:08 am UTC (link)
X say you call X X and if you call X anything but X, X craps X's pants.

(At this rate I will run out of my yearly letter X allotment and have to start marking my pirate maps with a Q or something.)

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(no subject) - [info]nevadafighter, 2007-08-05 02:16 am UTC

[info]aerobot
2007-08-05 04:43 am UTC (link)
X sounds like they want to be Doctor Doom. "You shall not call Doctor Doom anything but Doctor Doom!"

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[info]kittikattie
2007-08-05 05:04 am UTC (link)
I'm going to start calling X Rufus Xavier Sasparilla.

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redwarrior
2007-08-06 10:57 pm UTC (link)
I'm an FtM. And that is going overboard. *eyeroll*

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[info]kittikattie
2007-08-06 11:42 pm UTC (link)
X is like, FtNeutral. or FtAss. I like FtAss.

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[info]azhidahaki
2007-08-05 08:33 am UTC (link)
I saw all the Xs and suddenly had horrible flashbacks of highschool Algebra. I fled in fear.

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